4th Date & Still No Lay..Need some solid opinions please!! ASAP!

[Poop1337]

Ask yourself why do you need so much instruction. Have you been reading game? When she said no sex and came back to your place and said she hates guys who just want sex or what ever you should have still gone for sex. You should have given her shots. You should have been rubbing her ***** while you watched the movie and talking dirty to her idk something like how she's going to suck your daddy dyck after your done rubbing her wet *****. Seriously dude hold her head in place when you *** and say swallow. I say be a lot more aggressive and you'll get the lay. Also spin them plates. She sounds like she could be fun af to get into a sexual rotation but she is 34 and don't let a fancy job or car impress you. If you want a solid relationship date some one 6+ years younger not older and you may have a shot. By the way in so used to girls telling me no sex when they come to my place only to have it. If my memory serves me right every girl I've ever had sex with said some variation of no sex before we had sex. They need slut deniability I said no sex but then he wanted to have sex blah blah oops we had sex. Be aggressive and be grossed out by her age. Use and abuse this woman and she will love you for it, keep waiting and trying to have a serious relationship with her and you'll be miserable

 

[buzzin_frog]

I haven't said ANYTHING to her since last nights date. She texted me now at 10:15pm and said "Hope u had a great day" WTF!? Is there ANY WAY POSSIBLE I can pull a 180 and get her to fuk me? I am not going to respond to her text until tomorrow...if that.

Please instruct me on what to do! Although I may seem a bit beta I am ready to do what needs to be done to get the lay...do I need to flip out my a-hole card?

Please Advise!

seem a bit beta you say?.....Dude, you are being a total beta here!!

Once a beta always a beta....she knows you as a beta.... flip your a-hole card and she wlll tell you to fvck off.....which is what you should tell her for insulting you!!

This is why I always advocate the 3 Strikes Rule.....if a woman hasn't put out by the 3rd date next her!!

some guys will whine and complain saying that's too harsh....you could be getting rid of a great girl......well, you followed their advice and look where it's got you?.....what did you get for all time and troubles?....not a damn thing!!

when you drop these chicks they become powerless...they have nothing over you.....then they will want to be fvcked by you if they find you atrractive.

women don't stop the men they really want when things are getting hot no matter what were telling you earlier

I had a chick say "I don't think we should have sex just yet"....I didn't say a damn thing...I kept working on her until she said ..."Fvck Me."

you are getting excuses....she won't let you continue after all these attempts... she didn't stop the other men she fvcked prior did she?...hell no

Other guys give bad advice telling you not to have home dates.....you already treated her over the maximum 3 dates.....why are you going to keep treating her to nice to dates she doesn't deserve?.....if you're going to continue the charade of dating her....keep her at your place.....then you won't have to spend any money on her and waiting 20 minutes for her to get ready

this nonsense these guys say about quality LTR's not putting out early is a load of sh!t...women who find you atrractive and are turned on by you......fvck you...they don't make excuses not to fvck you....the sex happens then the official relationship begins after that

women who make excuses to fvck you either don't find you attractive enough or want to have power over you

there's a difference between "I'm not ready to have sex yet" and "I'm not having sex with you."......she doesn't want it with you....that's the power she holds

I suggest that you waste no more time with her.....you let the game go into extra innings and wound up being far behind

no offense but it would be easier to get a hooker than waste your time with her

she insulted you and devalued you as a man....why would you continue to let her do this to you?.... get rid of her ass!!

 

[Jaylan]

I haven't said ANYTHING to her since last nights date. She texted me now at 10:15pm and said "Hope u had a great day" WTF!? Is there ANY WAY POSSIBLE I can pull a 180 and get her to fuk me? I am not going to respond to her text until tomorrow...if that.

Please instruct me on what to do! Although I may seem a bit beta I am ready to do what needs to be done to get the lay...do I need to flip out my a-hole card?

Please Advise!

Youre desperate. Just move on. You wouldnt be able to get the upper hand on this woman even with people here holding your hand through all this. This girl will walk circles around you because youve already lost any chance of being on equal footing with her.

Walk away. Doubt youll listen though because you seem so eager and desperate to have sex with this woman. You shouldnt want to sleep with a woman who behaves arrogantly or disrespectfully towards you.

 

[jackhamma]

Help me understand for the future!

I deeply am thankful for you guys being so blunt and honest with me. I really needed to read it and realize I was letting this woman get away with murder so to speak. She has been disrespectful, bossy, one sided, her way or the highway type attitude and I continued taking out her thinking I would lay her...what an idiot I was.

PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND

Listen I get it. She is controlling the frame. I am acting beta. I have to be honest. The first time she was lying in my bed I PUSHED FUKING HARD. I kept going, and going, and going. A few time she got up to get dressed and I would throw her back onto my bed. I PUSHED to get her pants off, talked dirty, tried playful force to get her pants off BUT SHE WOULD NOT LET ME!

Besides giving into her the places she wanted to eat, and putting up with her having me wait outside I never agreed on things she said, I stuck to my guns when she was giving me attitude and she was the one to always thank me, try to set up another date, ask me when I was free next etc. I didn't say a damn thing in between dates for 3-4 days.

I really need to know for FUTURE WOMEN I COME ACROSS LIKE THIS what I can do differently??? Are you saying I should of been able to realize she was a waste of time and walk away after Date #2?

I could not of been any more sexual and pushy to fuk her without forcefully raping her TRUST ME.

PLEASE advise, help me understand what I did wrong instead of telling me I am beta and I fuked up.

I HATE excepting defeat...is there ANYTHING I can do for practice purposes to attempt to fuk her?

Thank you guys. I feel a million times better after reading all your replies.

 

[Max Power]

This is probably out of your hands. There's most likely another guy she is more interested than you that she wants a relationship with and she is waiting for him to drop his girlfriend or something but keeping you around just in case. It's in his hands.

 

[nismo-4]

She has no sexual interest (just wants to be friends) and you care too much. It's a lost cause.

Your princess is in another castle. Move on.

 

[apprenticedj]

I think you made it clear that you wanted sex. She rebuffed your attempts.

I would say in the future give her two chances. The first time is excusable because you're still getting to know one another but once rapport has been established there is no second chance. If she doesn't want to have sex then I would say withdrawal all attention and limit contact.

She'll likely notice the change and due to her overthinking nature she'll ask you why. Then you'll casually explain that you're not looking for a buddy, you're looking for a partner. That you're attracted to her but you're not willing to wait some arbitrary amount of time before you're "qualified" to have sex with her. You're not a child.

If she's not interested in you it won't matter but at least she'll know where you stand. As other posters have said if a chick is making sex difficult it's because she's not that interested. I've only dealt with resistance with women that weren't probably going to let me smash anyways. The higher their interest level the easier it is to get them in bed. That's a core tenet in the DJ cannon.

 

[jackhamma]

I think you made it clear that you wanted sex. She rebuffed your attempts.

I would say in the future give her two chances. The first time is excusable because you're still getting to know one another but once rapport has been established there is no second chance. If she doesn't want to have sex then I would say withdrawal all attention and limit contact.

She'll likely notice the change and due to her overthinking nature she'll ask you why. Then you'll casually explain that you're not looking for a buddy, you're looking for a partner. That you're attracted to her but you're not willing to wait some arbitrary amount of time before you're "qualified" to have sex with her. You're not a child.

If she's not interested in you it won't matter but at least she'll know where you stand. As other posters have said if a chick is making sex difficult it's because she's not that interested. I've only dealt with resistance with women that weren't probably going to let me smash anyways. The higher their interest level the easier it is to get them in bed. That's a core tenet in the DJ cannon.

Could this be applied in my current position? Could I try withdraw all attention and see how she reacts? Since Wednesday she has texted me "hope your having a nice day" I was going to remain silent until she either says something again noticing I don't reach out anymore.

By then I can either drop the line you said about not waiting for sex, or I can simply walk away.

Either way, win win.

Could that play be applied at this stage? Or is this just a lost cause, close the book and walk?

Wednesday was the second time she denied me of sex.

 

[Kailex]

It's hysterical because she is creating her own win-win scenario in her mind.

If she gets you to hold out long enough, she gets her beta provider man who will do her every bidding, even holding out for sex.
If you walk away, she will internalize you as just another man who simply wasn't patient enough for "true love".

It's a lose-lose scenario for a man who keeps "trying".

The simplest answer is to walk away at this point. You seem to be completely invested in an outcome and that's your kryptonite right now. You aren't even seeing the whole picture objectively anymore.

She denied you twice? Game over. Stop trying.

 

[Poop1337]

Personally I'd just bail she sounds horrible. You still like her though so here's my advice push pull. You only pulled but it's time to do both. Invite her to your place and be aggressive try to rub her *****, whip your **** out and even go so far as to grab a fist full of her hair and guide her head to your crotch. If that fails go cold on her. Start looking at your phone, stop cuddling or touching her be very uncaring. Then rinse and repeat try to have sex and then go cold. If the night doesn't work out be cold on the goodbye or drive home show your disappointment. Just keep inviting her back to your place and trying to have sex. No more dates where you spend money other than pouring cheap boos down her throat. Get the off brand cheap 90 proof vodka and get her drunk.

 

[jackhamma]

Funny Update

You all were so right...

I went out last night to a club and left with a NEW 38 year old Colombian woman. That is right...3 years older then this other b!tch I have been dealing with and you wanna know what?

Went back to her place (the new girl from the club I am talking about not the current 35yr old I have been complaining about) and banged this woman all night long.

This morning she made me breakfast, I took a hot bath that she made for me, and she even gave ME a massage. To top it all off she was a really sweet caring woman.

Whats the lesson? If the woman is acting like a c*nt....drop her.

I was BLIND. Man.....what the hell was I doing going on 5 dates with this biotch....letting her treat me like she was...

 

[Jaylan]

You all were so right...

I went out last night to a club and left with a NEW 38 year old Colombian woman. That is right...3 years older then this other b!tch I have been dealing with and you wanna know what?

Went back to her place (the new girl from the club I am talking about not the current 35yr old I have been complaining about) and banged this woman all night long.

This morning she made me breakfast, I took a hot bath that she made for me, and she even gave ME a massage. To top it all off she was a really sweet caring woman.

Whats the lesson? If the woman is acting like a c*nt....drop her.

I was BLIND. Man.....what the hell was I doing going on 5 dates with this biotch....letting her treat me like she was...

To answer your last question. What you were doing was being desperate for vagina and fooling yourself into thinking you liked that first woman so much. From now on have more self respect and self control.

And also, while your experience this weekend may have been fun, if you are actually still looking for a relationship, find a woman your age. Because I definitely cant see you being able to keep up with an older woman. Youve already shown us that their experience allows them to walk circles around you. So sleep with this new woman sure. But dont fool yourself into thinking a relationship is a good idea. Something tells me youll get hooked by her early good behavior though.

 

[jackhamma]

To answer your last question. What you were doing was being desperate for vagina and fooling yourself into thinking you liked that first woman so much. From now on have more self respect and self control.

And also, while your experience this weekend may have been fun, if you are actually still looking for a relationship, find a woman your age. Because I definitely cant see you being able to keep up with an older woman. Youve already shown us that their experience allows them to walk circles around you. So sleep with this new woman sure. But dont fool yourself into thinking a relationship is a good idea. Something tells me youll get hooked by her early good behavior though.

Thank you! I will be careful and more aware for the future...its crazy how I couldn't see it until just now....nuts...

 

[Poop1337]

Simple you care too much about her. I say keep trying to have sex with her if you want but don't look for a relationship with this old used up woman. Young girls are trouble too but atleast you have a chance with the mythical NAWALT. This women is at the end of her ****carousel ride and anything she says or does cannot be trusted. When she makes you wait just imagine her sucking some guys diseased **** in a bathroom stall at the rave she was at when she was a teenager. When she makes you wait just imagine all the sex she gave some guy or guys back in college. When she makes you wait I want you to know that she's likely been screwing her way through life since college and is most gauranteed talking with other men right now and probably screwing at least one too.

Don't put young chicks on the pedestal either. Fix your head man.