35+ women really past their prime?

MrLuvr

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ricorico said:
Naomi Campbell 38 is dating Equity partner Marcus Elias who made $256 mil this year.

Salma Hayek 41 was engaged to baby daddy Francois Pilnault 46 whose family is worth 16.9 Billion

Elizabeth Hurley 43 married Arun Nayar 43 Indian Textile Heir

Uma Thurman 38 Engaged to financier Arki Busson worth $497 milliom
Well, first of all, these women that you mention are probably in the top 1% of over 35 women in terms of look. These women spend A LOT of time and money trying to maintain their appearance, from surgery to cosmetic products to various treatments. Most normal women in this age range dont have the time or money that these women do to spend on maintaining themselves to this level.

And it might be a curious coincidence, but the first three women on this list are not American or Canadian. European women do look good in their 30s and 40s. In the US, women in this age range are frankly, for the most part, DISGUSTING. Fat, frumpily dressed and with real nasty attitudes.

Also, as STR8UP mentioned, just because a guy is rich or famous it does not mean he is not an AFC. They can all fall for the AFC bug.

One more thing, attraction is something that is very difficult to explain. Why are these men attracted to women in their 40s even though this is inconsistent with what we believe. Who knows?! Sometimes people just like what they like. There is no explaining it and there is no logic behind it. I have a friend, late 20s, good looking, could EASILY hook up with a hot 21 year old for a relationship. What does he do? He just got married to an overweight, grossly overweight 31 year old woman. Despite strenuous objections from his entire family and despite her being from a completely different culture and religion. Is it rational? No. But, I dont think attraction is rational. This is one more reason why I dont think a 30-40 year old guy is out of the game with 20 something women. There is no explaining what a person likes. I have one sexy 21 year old HB "friend". I was telling her about a guy friend of mine and how I dont think he has aged well. I said he had started getting wrinkles already. Her answer? "Wrinkles are sexy". A 21 yr old HB blonde club chick with an ass to die for. Does it make sense? Maybe to you and me it doesnt. But to her it does. And to the guys that like these older women, it does.
 

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MrLuvr said:
Well, first of all, these women that you mention are probably in the top 1% of over 35 women in terms of look. These women spend A LOT of time and money trying to maintain their appearance, from surgery to cosmetic products to various treatments. Most normal women in this age range dont have the time or money that these women do to spend on maintaining themselves to this level.
MrLuvr said:
In the US, women in this age range are frankly, for the most part, DISGUSTING. Fat, frumpily dressed and with real nasty attitudes.

Top 1%?? Is this a joke? You sure you know how to estimate percentages? The percentage of hot women over 35 is wayyy more than 1%. Maybe it's because you don't live where I do, that's why you disagree. But still, to say 1%, is drastic and way over the top..even if you're somewhere in bumblef*ck USA, I would still think there would be more than 1% of hot women over the age of 35. Come to Long Island and NYC, NY my friend and maybe you'll change your outlook on women aged 35 and up. I guarantee you you'd be pitching tents.
 

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Edger and his justification why he cannot even get a HOT 25 year old ESCORT to pay attention to him. Dude...you live in NY and STILL having problems with finding the young HOT women. Pathetic.

When I was 28...anything above 35 was OLD.
 

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Dear All,
This term Couger is interesting,we have a dynamic language constantly evolving new words come in from everywhere,this one must come from the States because the animal is not spoken of here...perhaps I am wrong but I have a hazy memory of the term being used to describe a sexually aggressive older male,maybe I am wrong,anyway that has gone out of the window and today it seems that it is used to describe a similar female.The picture I have in my mind is of a woman over fifty,fit and well preserved,and on the prowl for a younger Male to satisfy her carnal needs...A Mrs Worthington....From experience,can I say needs must when the Devil drives,or to put it another way many a good tune may be played on an old fiddle...of course many are would be's if they could be's and one Night wonders...In general the Older woman seems interested in the dirty deed about once a week,but many for the sheer ego trip of having a piece of younger arm candy will turn it on,whenever you like....Often these ladies are very skilled,and if they work out and look after their skin,can look 15 years younger...The real attraction is that they see you as the prize,bless their aging arteries...
 

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What is this about?
All these women you mention are fantasy women. All very famous and beyond beautiful (albeit past their 'prime'). They have bodies and faces almost all men have wanked over. They are THE faces we use in our imagination and their names are part of daily parlence (is that english? :p). They are the building blocks of contemporary culture. Of course any guy (even, or especially, the rich ones) will easily get turned on by their individual mythology.

So don't be stupid and pretend that normal rules apply for these type of creatures. The lives that you read about in celebrity and showbizz type magazines is more like a (high stakes) game then real life.
When you talk about these 'rules' at least talk about things that are part of your own reality and experience. This is just bull****.
 

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As one of the old guys who prefers younger woman the followings are
HOT

Naomi Campbell 38 is dating Equity partner Marcus Elias who made $256 mil this year.

Salma Hayek 41 was engaged to baby daddy Francois Pilnault 46 whose family is worth 16.9 Billion

Elizabeth Hurley 43 married Arun Nayar 43 Indian Textile Heir

Uma Thurman 38 Engaged to financier Arki Busson worth $497 milliom

Nuff said
 

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bornyesterday said:
What is this about?
All these women you mention are fantasy women. All very famous and beyond beautiful (albeit past their 'prime'). They have bodies and faces almost all men have wanked over. They are THE faces we use in our imagination and their names are part of daily parlence (is that english? :p). They are the building blocks of contemporary culture. Of course any guy (even, or especially, the rich ones) will easily get turned on by their individual mythology.

So don't be stupid and pretend that normal rules apply for these type of creatures. The lives that you read about in celebrity and showbizz type magazines is more like a (high stakes) game then real life.
When you talk about these 'rules' at least talk about things that are part of your own reality and experience. This is just bull****.

Those women are FANTASY WOMEN?? Thurman and Campbell look like Trannies. Hurley is getting OLD! There are plenty of 20 something famous actresses and models who are actually fantasy women and look much better than these girls. Hayek is the only one who actually looks good in that bunch.

Funny to say "normal" rules don't apply to these types of creatures. This morning I was listening to conversation on John Edwards and his mistress. The speaker was a woman and she was saying first hand how these men always have young women throwing themselves at them because of power. But Edwards was different because he had power and looks therefore very popular with the ladies. Which makes me wonder why he would even think of having an affair with this 44 year old women instead of a 20 year old hottie!!http://www.nationalenquirer.com/sen...ss_and_love_child_in_la_hotel/celebrity/65193

No matter what we want to believe there are still plenty of men who like oldies so I doubt they are as lonely as some claim. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=52320
Just like there are guys who love obese women. I don't like either, but I doknow many guys have taste different than my own.
 

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I think fantasy was a poor translation choice by a non-native speaker in this case, I bet he's on the same page as you more or less.
 

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ricorico said:
Naomi Campbell 38 is dating Equity partner Marcus Elias who made $256 mil this year.

Salma Hayek 41 was engaged to baby daddy Francois Pilnault 46 whose family is worth 16.9 Billion

Elizabeth Hurley 43 married Arun Nayar 43 Indian Textile Heir

Uma Thurman 38 Engaged to financier Arki Busson worth $497 milliom

Then there is Camilla Parker Bowles who married Prince Charles.

Why are they choosing these oldies???
- maybe they have no game to attract the younger girls
- maybe they've slept with enough young girls and want a mature girl where they can have a decent conversation
- maybe they don't want to rock the cradle and be red faced when they step outside with an 18 year old
- maybe the young girls are not attracted to guys with money, maybe they are attraced to 6'1 surfer guys with no future

You can't make a generalization like that.
 

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Give Me a Young Man (as sung by The Uppity Blues Women)
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Well I was looking round and checking out my very best friends
Seems that they'd all taken up with the young young men...
Seems that when you reach around middle age
You don't want a final chapter, you want to write another page...
I need a young man, to drive away my middle-age blues

Well seems like men my age are all married, boring or tied
You got to find a young man if you want to feel desired...
Now some of my friends is worried 'bout what people may say,
I say age ain't nothin' but a number the good lord made it that way...
I need a young man, to drive away my middle-age blues

You know he can get it up and he can get on down
He'll help you do the dishes, take you out on the town...
He'll let you navigate cause he ain't worried 'bout seniority
You can tell him where to put it, keeping you happy is his priority

I need a young, young man,
I need a young, young man,
I need a young, young man, to drive away my middle-age blues

Well i'll forget about my arthritis, my backache, my lumbago
That young man makes me tango at the horizontal disco
I'm cleaning out my closet, I'm no longer sentimental
Forget about experience, I'd rather have potential
A young man to drive away my middle age blues

Well, I don't need no reefer, I don't need no cocaine
All I need is a young man to drive me insane...
I'm throwing away my dustmop, got a brand new vacuum cleaner...
I'm no longer taken for granted, my young man's sexy but sweeter...
A young, young man, to drive away my middle-age blues

An old woman don't yell
An old woman don't tell
An old woman don't swell
An she's grateful as hell

I need a young, young man,
I need a young, young man,
I need a young, young man, to drive away my middle-age blues

Solos
- -----

An old woman don't yell
An old woman don't tell
An old woman don't swell
An she's grateful as hell

I need a young, young man,
I need a young, young man,
I need a young, young man, to drive away my middle-age blues

Age ain't nothin but a number
Age ain't nothin but a number
Age ain't nothin but a number
Age ain't nothin but a number
And like a rare wine, you don't get older, you just get better...
Give me a young young man...



:D


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Generally speaking, younger men are not as bitter as older men (the same is true for older women often being bitter, I think, - hence the attraction beyond the sex for older men with younger women as well - but I speak from an older woman's perspective). .....................FYI - (Personally, I have never accepted a date with a man more than 4 years younger than me, but I have friends that see/have seen significantly younger guys. Anyway...)


Generally younger men are open to new experiences, physically active, and hopeful about their futures. Older men are often looking back to their pasts, playing off their former "glory days" and talk of what they USED to do/used to be - but are not actively pursing a passion today.

The attraction to the younger man is an attraction to his energy and his passion for life - and often I believe his lack of the perception of feeling he is "competing" with the woman in terms of outward success (perhaps because he is future focused?). The mature man who is solid in his own accomplishments in and of themselves - rather than in comparison to - the woman's accomplishments is not all that common - and that level of confidence when offered by a mature man will overide the young man's` easy-going nature regarding this. ---- Upon more reflection, I think I am saying that generally the younger man is less adversarial and less apt to want toset up a dynamic of competiton With the Woman - but is more interested in enjoying her/being enjoyed. The mature man that genuinely understands and appreciates how women are different from men are a real treasure.

The mature man that offers a solid sense of who he is, where he has been, and still holds a vision and sense of purpose of growth and anticipation for his future is not all that common.

Additionally, the mature man that takes care of his body is rare as well.

The younger generation of men also expects the mature woman to have sexual experience and is less apt to shame her for her sexuality (which often intimidates and can scare away an otherwise fabulous older man) - there is less chance of the Madonna/***** baggage that often occurs with 'older' guys. (Keep in mind that the M/W issue is as damaging as extreme Feminism is, IMO).


Vibrant, unapologetic, sexual male energy appeals to the mature woman. Mature men who are bold and confident with their sexual energy will trump the younger man's, because the truly mature man will take the sexual leadership role and allow the woman to come out and play, whereas with the younger man she is the one leading (her leading is then out of necessity and is a trade-off for the absence of judgementalism and his passion, so she rationalizes that 2 out of 3 isn't bad considering that many older men do not lead in the bedroom also.)

Conversely, if an older woman has not had a lot of sexual experience/partners, the younger man is less apt to be judgemental and shaming/critical of her lack of experience/skill as well, and is usually willing to learn/experiment along with the woman.



Most young men love to philosophize. They queston life's meaning and don't pretend to have it all figured out. They will stay up late in to the night talking about God, spirituality, art, music, etc. Often it is what the woman has heard before, but it still trumps the older man who turns on sports and falls asleep in front of the t.v. rather than engaging with the woman. The mature man who continues to grow and investigate the depths of spirituality, meaning, purpose of life will provide a place for the mature woman to feel respect and comfort in her companionship with him in this way - but again, by their 40's - how many men are there that will choose this over their tv's and beers?

Does the "cougar" honestly believe the relationship with the young guy will last? - I doubt it for most of them. But she is aware that most romantic relationships don't last. (Although as an aside, I have taken issue with a friend's friend who has taken up with a younger guy. She does not want to have any more children and he wants a family. I think it is selfish and irresponsible of her to have married him knowing that he wants this and, assuming they are to stay married, that this profound hearts longing of his will never be met. But I digress... most Cougar type relationships do not end in marriage - as most Cougars are not wanting marriage.)



All of this to say, if you are the kind of person who forgives rather than becomes embittered, continues to grow as an individual and not stagnate, takes care of your health/body, and maintains a passion for life, you attract people of all ages.
 
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