2012 Election [All discussion here]

[Married Buried]

Marijuana legalization has strong leads right now in Colorado and Washington. It looks like it's going to happen.

Obama has promised to change the drug war if he is re elected.

I know, his promises should be taken with a grain of salt but he is much better than Romney.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Obama has promised to change the drug war if he is re elected.

I know, his promises should be taken with a grain of salt but he is much better than Romney.

Of course he's much better! After all, he smiles a lot and talks about hope. A bad person wouldn't do that, right? Plus, he's black, so you're supposed to feel guilty if you don't support him...

This is a great victory for the lowest common denominator.

 

[Married Buried]

Of course he's much better! After all, he smiles a lot and talks about hope. A bad person wouldn't do that, right? Plus, he's black, so you're supposed to feel guilty if you don't support him...

This is a great victory for the lowest common denominator.

Romney is a lying sack of sh!t just like George Bush. I will never vote republican again most likely because of Bush. Repubs may never win another presidential election. They lost a generation.

 

[Married Buried]

its a lie, Obama is one of the worst ever on the drug war and civil liberties.

I'm supposed to believe someone who uses the term Obamabots?

f/ck off.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Until America reforms its electoral system to prevent "winner takes all" elections, the only semblance of choice Americans will have is voting for "the lesser of two evils".

The historic outcome of a 'winner takes all' election is that both parties become two competing factions under the same umbrella Party of incumbents, lobbyists, and faceless interest groups who fund both sides.

That is only possible due to a 'captive' electorate who feel forced to vote in the Coke vs. Pepsi puppet show.



There simply is no practical or realistic incentive to vote for someone whom you support. You can clear your conscience by voting for your ideological representative, however your individual conscience does not affect public policy.

This is not a uniquely American problem. Canada, UK and Australia get the same Coke vs. Pepsi choice in the form of Liberals/Labour vs. watered down "Conservatives". In Europe, where most countries have proportional representation, no party can win enough votes to form a majority, so they are forced to govern though centrist coalitions.

The only way we could have fair and truly representative elections is if we banned political parties altogether. George Washington, the man who refused to be made king and was possibly the only honest politician in American history, warned against the evils of political parties. Unfortunately, his warnings fell on deaf ears.

The fact that political parties corrupt and serve the interests of the political elite rather than the population at large is only part of the problem. The other issue is the inevitable race to the center, as each party tries to capture the undecideds and swing voters by being as "moderate" as possible without completely alienating their base. The end result is that you have two centrist parties that are essentially carbon copies of each other, and only differ on a handful of straw man issues like abortion and gay marriage (issues that do not directly affect the vast majority of voters).

The only solution is to have parliamentarians that are not affiliated with and beholden to a powerful political party and who can freely vote in a way that reflects the wishes of their constituents.

 

[Franky Four Fingers]

12:24 Eastern Standard Time Obama projected to win election?

This countries future is so fvcked now.

How can a country in one of the worst economies since the great depression reelect Obama?

He's run up this countries debt so high already just imagine what he's going to do in the next 4 years.

Europe's going bankrupt and over the next 5-10 years so will we with Obama running up the debt like a teenager with his first credit card.

We're fvcked.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Romney is a lying sack of sh!t just like George Bush. I will never vote republican again most likely because of Bush. Repubs may never win another presidential election. They lost a generation.

You are very naive if you think that Obama is not lying, hypocritical sack of sh*t. That's pretty much a prerequisite for making it big in politics.

 

[Married Buried]

You are very naive if you think that Obama is not lying, hypocritical sack of sh*t. That's pretty much a prerequisite for making it big in politics.

I never praised Obama. I already said in another post he is the lesser piece of sh!t.

don't blame me Republicans nominated a larger piece of sh!t that nobody liked.

I would have voted republican if they nominated Ron Paul.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I never praised Obama. I already said in another post he is the lesser piece of sh!t.

don't blame me Republicans nominated a larger piece of sh!t that nobody liked.

I would have voted republican if they nominated Ron Paul.

Out of curiosity, what makes him a lesser piece of sh*t in your opinion? Seems to me like his anti-gun, pro-tax, pro-nanny state agenda puts him even further away from the Libertarian ideals than Romney. At least Romney would have had his hands tied to some extent by the Tea Party elements in his party. Obama, on the other hand, couldn't give a flying f*ck about libertarians.

 

[Robert28]

yep, it's over. Women and Hispanics were the difference in this one. women will never need to date us ever again, they have their boyfriend/husband the government now. they can get all the "free" birth control and have abortions like I have bowel movements in the mornings. congrats, ladies. just remember when you want to go on a date, I won't have any fvcking money because the economy sucks monkey balls.

 

[Married Buried]

Out of curiosity, what makes him a lesser piece of sh*t in your opinion? Seems to me like his anti-gun, pro-tax, pro-nanny state agenda puts him even further away from the Libertarian ideals than Romney. At least Romney would have had his hands tied to some extent by the Tea Party elements in his party. Obama, on the other hand, couldn't give a flying f*ck about libertarians.

Less kissing Israels a$$, starting wars based on lies, marching 3000 soldiers to their death. Little things like that.

 

[ArcBound]

Less kissing Israels a$$, starting wars based on lies, marching 3000 soldiers to their death. Little things like that.

Refer to Nobel Peace Prize and Libya, one of the most advanced countries in terms of the human development index and education in the region BEFORE Obama helped rebels take over that were even more radically Islam and oppressive. Whoops.

Or when Obama took troops out of Iraq.....to funnel them into Afghanistan instead.

Little things like that. But don't worry Obama killed Osama so is all good.

 

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Uh oh the gimmiedats won? I'm not even American but I got a feeling all you hard working tax paying hetero males are about to get your sh!t pushed in even more than you already do.

Kind of on topic Roissy has a good article on the gimmiedat women who voted with their vaginas and gave this "hep cat" another term.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/why-single-white-women-vote-overwhelmingly-for-democrats/

 

[Married Buried]

Refer to Nobel Peace Prize and Libya, one of the most advanced countries in terms of the human development index and education in the region BEFORE Obama helped rebels take over that were even more radically Islam and oppressive. Whoops.

Or when Obama took troops out of Iraq.....to funnel them into Afghanistan instead.

Little things like that. But don't worry Obama killed Osama so is all good.

Obama said before his first election that Afghanistan war would be expanded. that's where the terrorists were not Iraq.

 

[ArcBound]

Obama said before his first election that Afghanistan war would be expanded. that's where the terrorists were not Iraq.

"That's where the terrorists were" is like Bush saying "That's where the WMD's were".

 

[Darth]

^^Except that is directly against federal law. That'll probably last for a couple weeks.

Seriously, though, I don't think women should vote. They vote on emotion, or who looks "unshaven" on TV, or who "looks more presidential." Seriously, look at the first woman-elected president: Woodrow Wilson. It just goes downhill from there. Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln were elected by men.

If only men voted it would have been Romney. Just saying.

 

[SXS]

I can say 2 things based on this election and these results.

1- For a people who claim so much that they don't believe in government, Americans believe a lot in the government. Cause I don't think there is not at all difference in the candidates, nor that their campaigned "policies" will have any real effect on the actual American system, except for that Obama is more to the left, but just a little. Romney campaign was reduced to "I agree with my opponent, but I think he is just wrong, and I'll do the same things he did, except I'll do different." He had very little to campaign on, except on Obamacare, which is ironic cause you can say Romney created it. Obama just continued most of Republican policies anyway.

2- The campaigns did not matter AT ALL. All that money and time was just wasted, cause all the voting was biased among demographics. The whites voted for Romney, males voted for Romney, Women and minorities voted for Obama.

 

[SXS]

Seriously, though, I don't think women should vote.

I have to disagree with that. Women should vote, The problem is not women voting but the men creating the laws.

 

[backbreaker]

I can say 2 things based on this election and these results.

1- For a people who claim so much that they don't believe in government, Americans believe a lot in the government. Cause I don't think there is not at all difference in the candidates, nor that their campaigned "policies" will have any real effect on the actual American system, except for that Obama is more to the left, but just a little. Romney campaign was reduced to "I agree with my opponent, but I think he is just wrong, and I'll do the same things he did, except I'll do different." He had very little to campaign on, except on Obamacare, which is ironic cause you can say Romney created it. Obama just continued most of Republican policies anyway.

2- The campaigns did not matter AT ALL. All that money and time was just wasted, cause all the voting was biased among demographics. The whites voted for Romney, males voted for Romney, Women and minorities voted for Obama.

i agree with what you say though i don't think number 1 is totally accurate

The current GOP platform, and to an extension romney alienates most minorities, single women and to an extension fo that single men.

the only people that the GOP platform really caters to is married white couples.

you aren't going to tell women that rape was intended to happen by god, what to do with their body, tell Mexicans that them or their kids that brought dont' belong here and need to go back home, and african americans that the only reason they vote for obama is beucase he's black, and win an election in the united states. just not gonna happen and anyone who honestly thought it would happen is pretty ignorant. that's too many votes.

go back and look at the elctorial map. Mitt cleaned house in the mid west and the deep south. and lost just about everything else.

 

[Mike32ct]

The current GOP platform, and to an extension romney alienates most minorities, single women and to an extension fo that single men.

the only people that the GOP platform really caters to is married white couples.


go back and look at the elctorial map. Mitt cleaned house in the mid west and the deep south. and lost just about everything else.

I get what you are saying.

The only part I'm not clear on...

How does the GOP alienate single white men?