2 random questions

[BackInTheGame78]

Do you have access to a trap bar? If so I would suggest using that for deadlifts if you have back problems.

Not a fan of trap bar deadlifts, you can seriously fvck yourself up with those due to instability and being able to move in ways you couldn't with a normal bar.

 

[Obee1]

I know what you mean as regards that functional strength. It’s kind of core strength right? Since I actually started squatting properly, I feel it very much in core as you rise. I feel that type of training you feel it in normal life too, just things like getting out of a car or picking things up.

While I have your attention, I do straight leg deadlifts. I have a rare arthritis so it’s wise to keep severe weight off the lower back.
I just read that regular deadlifts are kinder on the back than straight leg. Do you think that’s right?

Hey Fruitbat you brought up another good point in that BOR's can also help with your squat when it comes to bracing. People run in to problems when their hips shoot up while leaving their back behind.

I can see someone's point in relation to sldl. I view sldl more as a hamstring exercise in which the back assists. Most people can handle more weight in a traditional dl as I'm sure you know. With traditional dl the spine is neutral or has slight extension and ideally stays static till the legs and hips put it in a better anatomical pulling position. On sldl, the back seems to be the prime mover giving it more opportunity to go into flexion and cause injury with heavy weight or sloppy form. From an arthritis standpoint, I like the traditional dl more in that you can put more load on the bone and spine, but your spine isn't compromised as it would be on a sldl. And with more load on the structure, the more likely the arthritically affected tissues are to synthesize calcium, collagen and such into the connective tissues. Romanian DLs might be another good alternative.

 

[Obee1]

Not a fan of trap bar deadlifts, you can seriously fvck yourself up with those due to instability and being able to move in ways you couldn't with a normal bar.

Lol, bad experience or Rippetoe fan? The trap bar can give a person a false sense of security because it is so forgiving as form breaks down. It seems like most people love it or hate it. I can't argue with your reasoning. If you get the chance though see if you can find some articles with Ryan Flaherty. What Flaherty discovered years ago is very interesting as it pertains to trap bar max lift relative to bodyweight and sprint speed. In a nutshell, TBDL max relative to bodyweight was the only lift that predicted 40 times down to the 1/10th of a second, and when weight lifted relative to BW was increased so was 40 times. He's one of the go to guys for athletes in the NFL or athletes training to make it in the NFL. You're not necessarily wrong at least where the majority of the population is concerned, I'm just trying to get you to lighten up a little. lol

You Got Guru'd: Max Relative Trap Bar Deadlift Strength Perfectly Predicts Speed, Power, and Endurance Performance - Bret Contreras

“Hi Bret, I read an article in Men’s Fitness that talked about how the trap bar deadlift is the best exercise for athletes and is perfectly correlated with 40 yd,...

bretcontreras.com

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Lol, bad experience or Rippetoe fan? The trap bar can give a person a false sense of security because it is so forgiving as form breaks down. It seems like most people love it or hate it. I can't argue with your reasoning. If you get the chance though see if you can find some articles with Ryan Flaherty. What Flaherty discovered years ago is very interesting as it pertains to trap bar max lift relative to bodyweight and sprint speed. In a nutshell, TBDL max relative to bodyweight was the only lift that predicted 40 times down to the 1/10th of a second, and when weight lifted relative to BW was increased so was 40 times. He's one of the go to guys for athletes in the NFL or athletes training to make it in the NFL. You're not necessarily wrong at least where the majority of the population is concerned, I'm just trying to get you to lighten up a little. lol

You Got Guru'd: Max Relative Trap Bar Deadlift Strength Perfectly Predicts Speed, Power, and Endurance Performance - Bret Contreras

“Hi Bret, I read an article in Men’s Fitness that talked about how the trap bar deadlift is the best exercise for athletes and is perfectly correlated with 40 yd,...

bretcontreras.com

Personal experience. Don't know Rippetoe's take on it, I assume he doesn't like them?

Didn't hurt myself but I did not like the way I moved around inside of it. Never tried it with a seriously heavy weight and wouldn't personally ever do it.

IMO, people who have issues with normal deadlifts have very poor posterior chain utilization and should probably do Foundation Training 3-4x a week to help teach them proper posterior chain utilization(also fantastic for anyone that has lower back issues).

 

[Obee1]

Personal experience. Don't know Rippetoe's take on it, I assume he doesn't like them?

Didn't hurt myself but I did not like the way I moved around inside of it. Never tried it with a seriously heavy weight and wouldn't personally ever do it.

IMO, people who have issues with normal deadlifts have very poor posterior chain utilization and should probably do Foundation Training 3-4x a week to help teach them proper posterior chain utilization(also fantastic for anyone that has lower back issues).

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I agree with him in regards to the instability when lifting heavy weights with a trap bar. Never have gone off balance while deadlifting the way I have with that.