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Great discussions in this thread. It really depends how you want to define things - hypergamy could be overblown, or you could just be defining it incorrectly. The definition I go with, is that value is in the eye of the beholder, and when women choose a mate, they are choosing the highest...

Yo Murk, if I were you buddy I would bounce. You're rationalizing things at best due to emotions sunk into it. I know it's tough. But better the pain now than settling for this. You are probably not her top choice, and even if you are, it's at a time when it's past her peak. She's done tons of...

175 as of last week, explained in another thread but mostly online from a decade+ in the game. Huge mix of types and qualities. Have mainly relied on looks, logistics, and game.

At the end of the day it's up to you what you'll accept and commit towards. Threesomes and a partner count above a certain number are no-go's for me. There's good reason for this statistically at least in terms of marriage. I'd definitely dip if I were you though lol.

Good question OP. I think at the end of the day it comes down to her view of your relative value. The better of a match she judges you, the more she will acquiesce to your demands. For example, if you are a famous rapper, your main girl will probably openly accept you having side bitches. If...

This is a great thread, lots of thoughtful comments from men on both perspectives. I have a fairly unique situation, not even sure it counts - I've been a sperm donor. Two kids out there, no obligations or contact on my end. I've just always had this urge to reproduce, and it wasn't happening...

Here's my thoughts reading your post: - The fact that you're making a thread for one specific unsuccessful approach suggests really low volume. - Are you a white guy in the Philippines? The only reasons for you not to have 5 bad bitches on rotation are: being fat, having a facial deformity...

Interesting thread, my perspective is that the obvious answer is "yes" as a way to maximize one's reproductive success, while still experiencing a stable family life later on. It's the best of both worlds in a sense, as you would achieve quantity and then quality. This is just ideal...

For sure. But my take is that OP messed up the vetting, now time has passed since the honeymoon phase, things have gone downhill, and he's had to resort to unsavory methods to confirm his questions about his partner's history and relationship value. You can still look for flaws critically and...

I just wanted to quickly reply to this and respectfully disagree. Vetting is incredibly important, and tying yourself emotionally to the wrong woman long-term is one of the biggest mistakes a man can make. Ignorance is not bliss. Now at the same time you shouldn't have to go into a girl's phone...

Interesting thread, it is a bit of a dilemma looking and finding things you're not otherwise meant to know. Here's my thoughts: - In terms of pros/cons list, you seem to come out ahead on the desirable traits. It's actually kind of nice to see some of the minor 'cons' one could change, in fact...

So during lockdowns and the 'virus-aware' times, like I said I was dealing with a much lower volume of options, but the close rate and ease of lay was extremely high. Things were closed and people were sneaking around so the vast majority of my lays were very easy ones with chicks coming over...

Yeah this is a pretty good summary of how my online activity seems to have changed: what used to be daily results have become weekly results, in terms of matches, messages, etc (pertaining to apps). Once I get 'em in person it's still the same close rate. I have a very hard time believing that...

Damn just realized I'm an older guy now, so I'm qualified to answer :lol: In my experience, older women are worse in practically every way. I don't just mean 30s and 40s (lol) and up, I mean even the difference between 21 and 25. Here's what it comes down to: younger women are more beautiful...

Tough break man, reminds me of my first one around your age. You did great though! As others have said, take some time to yourself. Take time off of 'the game' and enjoy the more holistic things in life. Spend time with friends, it's good to be around others during times like this. And of...

My dude, I have partaken in some extremely haram acts... I feel so bad for the large immigrant communities who uproot and come to these liberal multicultural feminist cities and are subsequently exposed to female nature once the larger environment starts to take root. Yeah maybe they wind up...

@SW15 definitely spitting some facts here, a girl's notch count is heavily affected by a variety of factors, but for me in a big city I go with the worst case for most chicks. Here's the calculus from my end. Women get really horny once a month, and it's easy for them to ****. So while they're...

@SW15 yeah I hear that, really separated from the pack of friend groups a while ago. The hard part is when I would advise close guy friends on the obvious right course of action (e.g. "drop that cheating *****", "don't let yourself stay in a sex-less relationship", etc) but it falls on deaf ears...

Absolutely definitely move on. There's a reason they became an Ex. When your reputation and value as a man breaks in her eyes, you cannot get it back. It's a wrap. Even in the case you 'get' her back, believe me if she was decent looking at all, she will have been with other guys in that...

To answer a few of your Q's. I remember end of 2018 my notch count was 45ish, and I hit just over 110 by December of 2019. Today I am at 174, though I really grinded hard over the last 2.5 years, hence the frustration at how much harder this has become. I don't approach in person. I found a...