The Fastest way to get laid with a lot of hot women within 1-2 years.

[Clockwerk50]

Ok if you're gonna get defensive and go off on tirades like a child I'll leave you to whatever this mess is.

He is indecisive. That’s why this thread is all over the place lmao.

 

[The_Sea_Wolf]

If Bob has a yacht, then he might be able to equalize the playing field a little bit.

The typical mid tier office worker (middle on both looks and money) is ignored on apps and ignored in real life. In my metro area, it would take a salary of at least $150,000 per year for an office worker to start getting attention from ladies (more like $175-200k) if his looks aren't top tier.

Money doesn't buy genuine desire, it can get a gold digger to try and manipulate you out of a bunch of your money, but it will not make her have genuine desire to **** you.

The caveat here being that your lifestyle and wealth may be the determining factor if a woman has two men she is interested in, and that simply boils down to having more fun with the man when she is with him which money makes a lot easier.

Your ability to woo a woman is entirely based on how you make her feel.

Where most men are ****ing this up is:

1. not taking good photos of themselves.
2. having a ****ty profile
3. being too demanding/coming off as needy
4. being creepy
5. offering up too much information

Your looks are less important than your confidence, a woman will date an ugly man who is confident AF and makes her feel right.

The thing to remember here is most women are bored, they get the same generic messages from men over and over again, the same comments over and over, just by changing up how you speak a bit, altering your vernacular and coming up with more interesting topics to talk about makes dating easy because you stand out from the crowd and excite her.

It literally costs nothing to do this.

 

[SW15]

Your ability to woo a woman is entirely based on how you make her feel.

This is VERY true, especially with Gen Y/Millennial women and Gen Z women.

Where most men are ****ing this up is:

1. not taking good photos of themselves.
2. having a ****ty profile
3. being too demanding/coming off as needy
4. being creepy
5. offering up too much information

Problems 1 and 2 are problems on swipe apps and Instagram (if a man wants to send DMs).

If a guy isn't active in those 2 formats, then he avoids those 2 specific problems. When men aren't doing swipe apps or sending DMs, the important factor becomes how they dress/present themselves when doing stranger approaches. The key is to look stylish in the venue of stranger approaches. That's a different look on a walking path/in the gym vs. in a nightlife venue.

Problems 3-5 are likely to emerge on app arranged first dates if they exist. In approaching, Problems 4-5 can happen as soon as a few minutes into an approach and #3 would be applicable on the first date or later.

The thing to remember here is most women are bored, they get the same generic messages from men over and over again, the same comments over and over, just by changing up how you speak a bit, altering your vernacular and coming up with more interesting topics to talk about makes dating easy because you stand out from the crowd and excite her.

It literally costs nothing to do this.

This is true. However, being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular gives you more leeway with this. A man doesn't need as much going for him on the personality side if his looks are good enough. However, personality can give some small assists in seduction. @BPH is a great example of this. He has shown in some field reports that his emotionally centered personality (where he doesn't let women's behavior affect his frame) has helped him seal the deal and get pussie. His 6'0" height and above average physique got him in the door and captured women's interest but without his frame, he would have been less likely to get same night sex/app arranged first date sex in some of these field reports.

Money doesn't buy genuine desire, it can get a gold digger to try and manipulate you out of a bunch of your money, but it will not make her have genuine desire to **** you.

The caveat here being that your lifestyle and wealth may be the determining factor if a woman has two men she is interested in, and that simply boils down to having more fun with the man when she is with him which money makes a lot easier.

The typical mid tier office worker doesn't offer enough to generate genuine desire. However, if he makes enough money, he'll get gold digger types who will give him sex. There are guys who make above average salaries who have enough possessions to get some women hot for them based on money/possessions.

Attraction and seduction come down to looks, money, status, and personality. Standing out to some degree with money (and possibly status) can offset some looks and personality mediocrity.

 

[The_Sea_Wolf]

Problems 1 and 2 are problems on swipe apps and Instagram (if a man wants to send DMs).

The swipe apps are an absolute waste of time, this is because there are dudes out there swiping right 100% of the time, considering that men outnumber women on those apps often 4-8:1 it means that a woman's feed is constantly full and when you consider the math of the situation, she is not even getting shown you to swipe back on you most of the time because she doesn't have hours a day to sit there and swipe through the 400 dudes who swiped right on her.

Instagram is another story, man I have had so much luck there, it isn't hard to get a woman to talk to me there but the problem most men face on IG is they are trying to talk to accounts that have 10k+ followers, those women aren't even checking their DM's or reading their comments.

When a woman has a smaller account and is local to me, I can usually at a minimum get a conversation going with her if she posts regularly, but the secret here is starting by commenting on what she is sharing and making it a genuinely interesting interaction to her before diving into DM's.

When she remembers your PFP from comments, she will read your DM.

This is true. However, being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular gives you more leeway with this. A man doesn't need as much going for him on the personality side if his looks are good enough. However, personality can give some small assists in seduction. @BPH is a great example of this. He has shown in some field reports that his emotionally centered personality (where he doesn't let women's behavior affect his frame) has helped him seal the deal and get pussie. His 6'0" height and above average physique got him in the door and captured women's interest but without his frame, he would have been less likely to get same night sex/app arranged first date sex in some of these field reports.

I am 6'1" and I used to power lift in high school, then was in the navy where I became an Aircrewman which means going through a lot of physical fitness training, and then after the military I have stayed incredibly strong doing physical jobs well into my 30's including running a welding shop for several years.

Being big and strong is great, but it can be a double edged sword, I am big enough and strong enough that people are scared of me when I do nothing, if I am in Seattle walking through a more residential neighborhood, grown ass men will cross the street if they are walking towards me.

Never mind the fact that I am well dressed, or that I am not behaving in a threatening manner, they are just scared of my size and strength.

It has actually made it harder for me meeting women in person because a woman who is 5'2" wearing 4" heels is still 7" shorter than me, 9" if I am wearing my cowboy boots.

My hands are so large I can literally catch a basketball by it's top.

When I go ashore and wind up in a public setting, especially say taking the light link rail or something like that, I can feel an awkward bubble pop up around myself, people will turn so their gaze will not meet mine, some will switch seats.

What is interesting is I can go out with a woman who is dressed with her tits hanging out, looking fine in something that hugs her curves, and she will notice how much less men look at her, how they are afraid to and what is interesting is they seem to enjoy that being the forbidden fruit that the weaker men are not allowed to look at.

But it does mean when I approach a woman in public it can also scare the **** out of her. And mind you I don't want this, it is just a function of my size and confidence.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

I'm with @Bokanovsky 100% on this thread. The whole premise is idiotic. Really, a kitchen worker? Maybe in the barrio amongst poor women with few prospects, but not in any universe containing actual hot women with her head screwed on straight.

Nightlife is legit to meet women but you have to leave your house & have some social skills, aka "Charm".

Every player I've ever known, Every. Single. One. approaches game and nightlife exactly as @The Duke describes, tailored to the individual man's strength. But ALL had an ability, desire, and willingness to engage in chit chat with women. These are men with dozens or hundreds of notch counts each. Some led with wit, IDGAF, and intelligence, some were very handsome great dancers, some could sell ice to Eskimoes in Alaska. All were confident and all genuinely enjoy women.

Listen. Before too long a beautiful girl has seen everything in the way men approach. They've recognized when things are forced, they sense when a guy is nervous or uncertain or dweeby or awkward, they sense when a guy is confident versus arrogant.

But to be successful at seduction a man must truly enjoy the process without being overly concerned about the outcome and put himself in a live, target rich environment. I've winged for my player buddies. It's true, you walk in a joint and scope the place out. If nobody attractive is there you blow that venue off and on to the next. You don't stagnate in a dead spot; go somewhere hopping. And you make that decision very quickly. You do stuff on the fly and see how the night unfolds.

Its a framework, not a formula. It makes me laugh to see the algebra some guys try to apply to male/female interactions. A sorority coed at Hot Girl U is not going to give the dishwasher dude (who smells gross in his grubby food stained clothes) the time of day. She is going to know the owners, DJs, bartenders and bouncers at places she goes and often THOSE guys will not get the time of day either.

I know. I've been that girl. That girl is going to appreciate a ballsy man who isn't scared to death to approach and who oozes charm & confidence. Enter a great dancer and/or a snarky funny wit (or both). If you have a boat (yacht, ski boat, whatever) or a motorcycle to take her out on, great! That's fun. If you can dance, that's fun. If you are a musician or performer or athlete, that's fun.....

But the formula at the beginning of this thread is completely unreality and tells me that OP has no, and I mean NO idea what he's talking about. Or he must be 15.

Additionally, good nightlife BSing skills translate well into being able to banter over text. OLD skills do not translate well to real life. Any man who needs help with how to respond to some text a woman sent does NOT have the ability to improvise on the fly in the moment but every good seducer IRL has this skillset.

Not that its not worth helping those guys, it is, so they can learn, but the biggest gap I see BY FAR in men is lack of basic conversational skills. Maybe a guy is an introvert, maybe he's young, maybe he's rusty. Ok. Work on that skill alongside fitness and finances. Even a hot guy can blow himself out if he cannot hold a light, fun conversation.

I find the OP to be horse pucky and guys who try and follow that formula are going to fall flat.

Someone correctly pointed out earlier that the DJ and the bartender GOT those jobs because they were already cool. Learn to be "cool" and that will solve many problems in interacting with women. And understand that "cool" looks very different at 25 than it does at 55.

Ok. Off the soap box.

 

[Gamisch]

Advice from the old lady:

I'm with @Bokanovsky 100% on this thread. The whole premise is idiotic. Really, a kitchen worker? Maybe in the barrio amongst poor women with few prospects, but not in any universe containing actual hot women with her head screwed on straight.

Nightlife is legit to meet women but you have to leave your house & have some social skills, aka "Charm".

Every player I've ever known, Every. Single. One. approaches game and nightlife exactly as @The Duke describes, tailored to the individual man's strength. But ALL had an ability, desire, and willingness to engage in chit chat with women. These are men with dozens or hundreds of notch counts each. Some led with wit, IDGAF, and intelligence, some were very handsome great dancers, some could sell ice to Eskimoes in Alaska. All were confident and all genuinely enjoy women.

Listen. Before too long a beautiful girl has seen everything in the way men approach. They've recognized when things are forced, they sense when a guy is nervous or uncertain or dweeby or awkward, they sense when a guy is confident versus arrogant.

But to be successful at seduction a man must truly enjoy the process without being overly concerned about the outcome and put himself in a live, target rich environment. I've winged for my player buddies. It's true, you walk in a joint and scope the place out. If nobody attractive is there you blow that venue off and on to the next. You don't stagnate in a dead spot; go somewhere hopping. And you make that decision very quickly. You do stuff on the fly and see how the night unfolds.

Its a framework, not a formula. It makes me laugh to see the algebra some guys try to apply to male/female interactions. A sorority coed at Hot Girl U is not going to give the dishwasher dude (who smells gross in his grubby food stained clothes) the time of day. She is going to know the owners, DJs, bartenders and bouncers at places she goes and often THOSE guys will not get the time of day either.

I know. I've been that girl. That girl is going to appreciate a ballsy man who isn't scared to death to approach and who oozes charm & confidence. Enter a great dancer and/or a snarky funny wit (or both). If you have a boat (yacht, ski boat, whatever) or a motorcycle to take her out on, great! That's fun. If you can dance, that's fun. If you are a musician or performer or athlete, that's fun.....

But the formula at the beginning of this thread is completely unreality and tells me that OP has no, and I mean NO idea what he's talking about. Or he must be 15.

Additionally, good nightlife BSing skills translate well into being able to banter over text. OLD skills do not translate well to real life. Any man who needs help with how to respond to some text a woman sent does NOT have the ability to improvise on the fly in the moment but every good seducer IRL has this skillset.

Not that its not worth helping those guys, it is, so they can learn, but the biggest gap I see BY FAR in men is lack of basic conversational skills. Maybe a guy is an introvert, maybe he's young, maybe he's rusty. Ok. Work on that skill alongside fitness and finances. Even a hot guy can blow himself out if he cannot hold a light, fun conversation.

I find the OP to be horse pucky and guys who try and follow that formula are going to fall flat.

Someone correctly pointed out earlier that the DJ and the bartender GOT those jobs because they were already cool. Learn to be "cool" and that will solve many problems in interacting with women. And understand that "cool" looks very different at 25 than it does at 55.

Ok. Off the soap box.

You know this is gonna be WW III right??

Nah, I agree. I understand the idea behind this thread, but it's factually wrong. Being a dishwasher ( like I've been) only works if you can separate your sh1tty job from everything else. You can't be let's say...24 ,washing dishes and yet be happy while people in your age bracket are finishing universities and academies, getting promotions ect.

Although I believe OP did say there are two choices: be the broke but bubbly guy who sniffs coco and drinks himself to near death 3 /4 times a week, or be the boring disciplined guy who eventually gets taken to the cleaners because he can't match the energy that our dishwasher has.

 

[BeExcellent]

You know this is gonna be WW III right??

Nah, I agree. I understand the idea behind this thread, but it's factually wrong. Being a dishwasher ( like I've been) only works if you can separate your sh1tty job from everything else. You can't be let's say...24 ,washing dishes and yet be happy while people in your age bracket are finishing universities and academies, getting promotions ect.

Although I believe OP did say there are two choices: be the broke but bubbly guy who sniffs coco and drinks himself to near death 3 /4 times a week, or be the boring disciplined guy who eventually gets taken to the cleaners because he can't match the energy that our dishwasher has.

His example is black & white/either or/rigid and at extremes. Most men that I knew in my 20s were some variety of upwardly mobile. Age varied but they were upwardly mobile. One of the Chads from my days as a sorority coed has become a very famous television drama actor in Hollywood. My best friend knew him pretty well, very good looking, not the highest IQ in the world, but he's done well in LA. The kind of man women chased after due to his looks. His best friend was also very handsome & someone I always had a crush on but he had a LTR, very pretty redhead who I think he married.

I hung out with law students, medical residents, engineers, businessmen, sales people, finance people, pilots etc. Other very attractive women I knew did the same. All of us eventually married, and I'm the only one in my immediate social circle of girlfriends who divorced. Everyone has grown or nearly grown kids and these are genuinely solid couples from good families.

OP is not upwardly mobile himself or he'd never have suggested his formula, and there are no success principles incorporated.

Most quality women are evaluating long term criteria in any man she entertains. Otherwise she's wasting her time. I would not go out at all with dead end guys or guys who had substance abuse issues...lest you end up married to that. Why would I? I could meet handsome upwardly mobile men who were on the ball like me.

I actually know a man who started as a dishwasher in his early 20s at a Mexican restaurant. He was in an LTR with my father's first cousin (a gorgeous blonde). Guess what? My family nixxed his proposal and the cousin broke things off. The dishwasher learned the whole business, opened his own restaurant(s), franchised the operation and became a multimillionaire. So he became an owner and a businessman. And he & my dad's cousin were friends throughout their lives.

But this is the very very rare exceptional exception. Success can happen from anywhere with correct thinking & vision.

But that isn't what OP is espousing (success). He's selling a half baked means to an end and saying most men are either service industry dead enders or corporate drone dead enders. Very black pill as others note.

That right there tells you OP has a defeatist outlook rather than a success mindset. Rigid dead end thinking. He sees women as pieces of meat to consume rather than fun people to enjoy, so that energy is going to be creepy to women he encounters.

Anti seductive to the max. Wrong mindset entirely.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Although I believe OP did say there are two choices: be the broke but bubbly guy who sniffs coco and drinks himself to near death 3 /4 times a week, or be the boring disciplined guy who eventually gets taken to the cleaners because he can't match the energy that our dishwasher has.

At least you acknowledge this. This is just to purely put yourself in the position of fvcking as most women as possible. There's plenty of Ray Rays and Pookies breeding in this country, so your occupation their obviously not a turnoff. @BeExcellent probably fvcked a few bad boy dishwashers in her younger days and will not admit it

 

[BeExcellent]

At least you acknowledge this. This is just to purely put yourself in the position of fvcking as most women as possible. There's plenty of Ray Rays and Pookies breeding in this country, so your occupation their obviously not a turnoff. @BeExcellent probably fvcked a few bad boy dishwashers in her younger days and will not admit it

Nope. My first boyfriend was a handsome player getting his MBA and a then PhD in electrical engineering. He also loved women & had great social acumen. Just like the players I noted above.

I don't think OP has any idea the kind of abundance desirable women experience. You don't pick a kitchen worker (no offense to kitchen workers - I was always kind & chill to them) when you have more handsome professionals to choose from than you can shake a stick at. The kitchen workers are invisible as dating prospects in that landscape. That's reality, which OP is totally out of touch with.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Nope. My first boyfriend was a handsome player getting his MBA and a then PhD in electrical engineering. He also loved women & had great social acumen. Just like the players I noted above.

I don't think OP has any idea the kind of abundance desirable women experience. You don't pick a kitchen worker (no offense to kitchen workers - I was always kind & chill to them) when you have more handsome professionals to choose from than you can shake a stick at. The kitchen workers are invisible as dating prospects in that landscape. That's reality, which OP is totally out of touch with.

The birth rate among lower income individuals puts you in the minority. The majority of women want the tingles and if it is from a dishwasher then so be it. When girls start prioritizing Elon Musks/Mark Zuckerbergs over Travis Barkers, Ray Rays, and Pete Davidsons then I will change my stance.

 

[jhonny9546]

being able to stand up for yourself

What's the general advice here? I've tried Martial Arts but it didn't help
@The Duke

Look like someone had some fun here!
Would it be possible to know what was your radius of action? (maybe one city or were you traveling to several different cities) and or if the bar you were visiting were all the same?
The people in your social circles knew that you were a womanizer or did you keep it hidden and change social circles every time? Or did the word spread among women and even those who were already in a relationship wanted you?

What job did you do? What kind of house did you have at the time?

 

[jhonny9546]

@The Duke

Look like someone had some fun here!
Would it be possible to know what was your radius of action? (maybe one city or were you traveling to several different cities) and if so the people in your social circles knew that you were a womanizer or did you keep it hidden and change social circles every time? Or did the word spread among women and even those who were already in a relationship wanted you?

What job did you do? What kind of house did you have at the time?

 

[SW15]

Instagram is another story, man I have had so much luck there, it isn't hard to get a woman to talk to me there but the problem most men face on IG is they are trying to talk to accounts that have 10k+ followers, those women aren't even checking their DM's or reading their comments.

When a woman has a smaller account and is local to me, I can usually at a minimum get a conversation going with her if she posts regularly, but the secret here is starting by commenting on what she is sharing and making it a genuinely interesting interaction to her before diving into DM's.

When she remembers your PFP from comments, she will read your DM.

What's a smaller account considered on Instagram now? Most attractive women in my city have at least 1,000 Followers.

I can see how a guy with 200-500 Followers would encounter difficulty DMing someone with 10,000+ Followers. She has far more Instagram status at 10K.

A guy needs a certain amount of Followers, a public profile, and a good Followers to Following ratio (more Followers than Following) in order to be able to be effective on Instagram.

But it does mean when I approach a woman in public it can also scare the **** out of her. And mind you I don't want this, it is just a function of my size and confidence.

It can happen like that. Some women will get turned on by the fact you are 6'0"+ and fit/muscular. 6'0"+ and fit/muscular is the top tier of males (often called Chads).

A sorority coed at Hot Girl U is not going to give the dishwasher dude (who smells gross in his grubby food stained clothes) the time of day. She is going to know the owners, DJs, bartenders and bouncers at places she goes and often THOSE guys will not get the time of day either.

I went to Hot Girl U. I knew the sorority coeds at Hot Girl U. It's true they wouldn't give the dishwasher dude the time of day. Sorority coeds (especially from the better sororities) are going to be chasing the top guys on campus (undergrads and grads) and some guys in the city with looks & money if the college is in a more populated area.

Most men that I knew in my 20s were some variety of upwardly mobile. Age varied but they were upwardly mobile. One of the Chads from my days as a sorority coed has become a very famous television drama actor in Hollywood. My best friend knew him pretty well, very good looking, not the highest IQ in the world, but he's done well in LA. The kind of man women chased after due to his looks. His best friend was also very handsome & someone I always had a crush on but he had a LTR, very pretty redhead who I think he married.

I hung out with law students, medical residents, engineers, businessmen, sales people, finance people, pilots etc. Other very attractive women I knew did the same. All of us eventually married, and I'm the only one in my immediate social circle of girlfriends who divorced. Everyone has grown or nearly grown kids and these are genuinely solid couples from good families.

In your 20s (the 1990s), you were rather bougie and held yourself to higher standards.

The mating environment of the 1990s isn't quite the same as the 2010s-2020s environment. Both eras had bougie women who generally sought out good looking men with money/status.

I don't think OP has any idea the kind of abundance desirable women experience. You don't pick a kitchen worker (no offense to kitchen workers - I was always kind & chill to them) when you have more handsome professionals to choose from than you can shake a stick at. The kitchen workers are invisible as dating prospects in that landscape. That's reality, which OP is totally out of touch with.

Almost every female has abundance now so long as they use swipe apps.

In the 1990s, it took far more effort for a woman to get a fraction of the abundance the women have today. Women on campuses at larger universities could get abundance, as well as big city women who had active social lives. Those 1990s women with abundance still had fewer options than women in the era of dating websites and later swipe apps.

When girls start prioritizing Elon Musks/Mark Zuckerbergs over Travis Barkers, Ray Rays, and Pete Davidsons then I will change my stance.

They generally don't.

Mark Zuckerberg met Priscilla Chan at a college fraternity party. Zuckerberg was in a fraternity. Harvard's mating scene is also less challenging than the mating scene of a larger public university. Even at Harvard (a school where dorks have a better chance), he still ended up with a mediocre to subpar Asian woman. The White women at Harvard weren't interested in his dorky self.

At a school like University of Texas or Florida State, he would have had more of a challenge dating. While Harvard females might appreciate intellect, intellect is less appreciated at bigger public schools with more of a party scene.

The birth rate among lower income individuals puts you in the minority. The majority of women want the tingles and if it is from a dishwasher then so be it.

Blue collar workers and McJob workers tend to get laid but they attract a different subset of women. The women they attract tend to be lower middle class and lower.

Women (both bougie and non-bougie) do chase tingles above all else. Middle class (usually the upper parts of middle class) and upper class women are looking for men who have status and give them tingles.

Blue collar and McJob males tend to have sex with lower class women. Pregnancies happen without proper birth control in place. These are mainly out of wedlock kids and the parents don't stay together long.

 

[BeExcellent]

Thank you for illustrating my point @SW15 in your response. While women using swipe apps may have more raw inbox messages, the quality is doo doo and it takes hours and hours reviewing those raw resonses to find the few men worth responding to (and often those dudes are misrepresenting themselves in some way, saying they are younger or taller, for example, than they really are.)

Total waste of time for a woman who simply needs to leave the house (not kidding) and men make their interest known.

I've been hit on in airplanes, at TSA security, in traffic while driving, at the grocery store, at the pharmacy, while working out, while getting coffee WITH MY KIDs (which my daughter found hilarious....) that is in recent years through this past weekend. At times in front of my huband or the second he leaves to use the men's room.

I often wear no make up and dress in baggy clothes to avoid attention. I've done this for years. Now that I'm older the younger men aren't looking so much, and frankly that's awesome.

In college I was premed, in sorority executive leadership at my chapter, in student government, working part time and out 3-5 nights a week in some capacity. Very pretty, very stylish & very smart. I knew a ton of people, and even more knew who I was because I was that popular before swipe apps, hell, before the internet even.

I had top men chasing me (the top women always do). And I'm not the only gal like that. Even now in my 50s I get a ridiculous amount of attention IRL. Women who recieve that kind of abundance are extremely choosy. Just like top eschelon men.

That should surprise exactly nobody. It should be obvious.

And I always chose men based in desire, moxy (confidence), fun and accomplishment. So some stoner washing dishes never, and I mean NEVER would have a shot with a girl like me.

That's the truth. I don't like men giving formulaic advice to other men who may be generally clueless when they (like OP) are so obviously clueless themselves. That sets some poor sap up for disappointment & disillusionment.

No. Its much better to go pursue success and achievement for ones self first. Learn a successful mindset. Achieve something. In doing that a man will also learn the importance of appearance, style, fitness and social acumen. A man can build confidence. Those skills can then be applied with women with success.

This is what my son learned growing up and its what any success minded man should focus on as a priority. Get some life skills and accomplish something....unless you are willing to settle for whatever left over scrap women will accept you as a low tier guy.

The good news and the bad news is that its up to you as an individual.

 

[Clockwerk50]

What's a smaller account considered on Instagram now? Most attractive women in my city have at least 1,000 Followers.

I can see how a guy with 200-500 Followers would encounter difficulty DMing someone with 10,000+ Followers. She has far more Instagram status at 10K.

A guy needs a certain amount of Followers, a public profile, and a good Followers to Following ratio (more Followers than Following) in order to be able to be effective on Instagram.



It can happen like that. Some women will get turned on by the fact you are 6'0"+ and fit/muscular. 6'0"+ and fit/muscular is the top tier of males (often called Chads).



I went to Hot Girl U. I knew the sorority coeds at Hot Girl U. It's true they wouldn't give the dishwasher dude the time of day. Sorority coeds (especially from the better sororities) are going to be chasing the top guys on campus (undergrads and grads) and some guys in the city with looks & money if the college is in a more populated area.



In your 20s (the 1990s), you were rather bougie and held yourself to higher standards.

The mating environment of the 1990s isn't quite the same as the 2010s-2020s environment. Both eras had bougie women who generally sought out good looking men with money/status.



Almost every female has abundance now so long as they use swipe apps.

In the 1990s, it took far more effort for a woman to get a fraction of the abundance the women have today. Women on campuses at larger universities could get abundance, as well as big city women who had active social lives. Those 1990s women with abundance still had fewer options than women in the era of dating websites and later swipe apps.



They generally don't.

Mark Zuckerberg met Priscilla Chan at a college fraternity party. Zuckerberg was in a fraternity. Harvard's mating scene is also less challenging than the mating scene of a larger public university. Even at Harvard (a school where dorks have a better chance), he still ended up with a mediocre to subpar Asian woman. The White women at Harvard weren't interested in his dorky self.

At a school like University of Texas or Florida State, he would have had more of a challenge dating. While Harvard females might appreciate intellect, intellect is less appreciated at bigger public schools with more of a party scene.



Blue collar workers and McJob workers tend to get laid but they attract a different subset of women. The women they attract tend to be lower middle class and lower.

Women (both bougie and non-bougie) do chase tingles above all else. Middle class (usually the upper parts of middle class) and upper class women are looking for men who have status and give them tingles.

Blue collar and McJob males tend to have sex with lower class women. Pregnancies happen without proper birth control in place. These are mainly out of wedlock kids and the parents don't stay together long.

Would you agree or disagree with the OP that the fastest way to get laid within 1-2 years is to find employment in "Easy Mode" (a major city bar or restaurant with a young crowd) or "Medium Mode" (a local spot like Chilli's with women working there), with the requirements being: younger is better (college age is ideal), be skinny (if not, cut or use Ozempic), tattoos add style (not necessary), have medium-level social skills—don’t be an idiot or shy—and you cannot be the owner or a member of the administration?

Just for some context, here are pictures of the hypothetical staff and patrons:

 

[SW15]

While women using swipe apps may have more raw inbox messages, the quality is doo doo and it takes hours and hours reviewing those raw resonses to find the few men worth responding to (and often those dudes are misrepresenting themselves in some way, saying they are younger or taller, for example, than they really are.)

When a woman uses a swipe app, her swipe queue is very long. It is often in the hundreds to thousands. She would have to pay to see all her matches. However, when she right swipes on a man, it's almost always a match if she's mediocre or better looking. Women in the cute to very attractive range will have many options to right swipe on and get a match, many matches, and almost all of their matches will message them in the in app inbox.

A lack of quality is complaint for women who use swipe apps. A few of the higher end swipe apps try to fix this (like The League and Raya) but those apps are niched (intentionally).

I was at a fitness class and overheard the attractive female instructor complain about swipe apps with one of the female class attendees. I'm not sure why she would use swipe apps since I think many men would be interested in her in real life. It's likely that she's selected top tier men off of the apps and failed to get their commitment for some reason. She seemed like a penis carousel rider but she did have a pleasant vibe in the limited interactions I had with her. I was attending those classes to hit on female class attendees so socializing with instructors was not a priority.

Misrepresentation online is common. It's an inefficiency for many women to determine misrepresentations. When an interaction starts in real life, this process is easier because she gets the real life experience right away. On an app, she may build up false hope that some guy is really top tier when he isn't and it's a big disappointment in real life when she can't get the Chad experience.

Men experience this false hope phenomenon with women in app arranged interactions as well. Men often don't properly assess a prospect from behind an electronic screen and get disappointed with the real life interaction.

Total waste of time for a woman who simply needs to leave the house (not kidding) and men make their interest known.

in my 50s I get a ridiculous amount of attention IRL. Women who recieve that kind of abundance are extremely choosy. Just like top eschelon men.

You have achieve something that many women can't achieve.

I had a platonic friendship with a woman who I wasn't attracted to because her looks were mediocre. Not overweight (good) but unimpressive facial aesthetics and not an athletic body type either.

She rarely got approached in person (despite being substantially younger than you are). I also assessed that her day-to-day routine wasn't that good for meeting men.

While she was nearly a zero in real life as a woman in her 30s, she had immense popularity on the swipe apps. She was getting date offers all the time, rejecting many men due to lack of quality, and also riding the penis carousel.

I've been hit on in airplanes, at TSA security, in traffic while driving, at the grocery store, at the pharmacy, while working out, while getting coffee WITH MY KIDs (which my daughter found hilarious....) that is in recent years through this past weekend. At times in front of my huband or the second he leaves to use the men's room.

I often wear no make up and dress in baggy clothes to avoid attention. I've done this for years. Now that I'm older the younger men aren't looking so much, and frankly that's awesome.

That's impressive for age 45+. All of this has happened for you as a 45+ woman and even 50+ woman. You attract a lot of men in person. That's not something that every woman can claim. Why do you think there are women who are substantially younger than you are that barely get approached in real life?

I can imagine that approaches from younger men (under 30) would annoy most 40+ women. Most 40+ women are looking for a similarly aged man.

In college I was premed, in sorority executive leadership at my chapter, in student government, working part time and out 3-5 nights a week in some capacity. Very pretty, very stylish & very smart. I knew a ton of people, and even more knew who I was because I was that popular before swipe apps, hell, before the internet even.

I had top men chasing me (the top women always do). And I'm not the only gal like that.

The internet didn't really take off until the mid-1990s and you were already over 25 by the time that it did. By the time dating websites got de-stigmatized in mid-2000s, you were in your mid to late 30s.

Going out 3-5 nights a week would have been the primary way to get abundance in the time when you were 18-25.

I knew women at my Hot Girl U college that fit some of the descriptions you provided. Mainly the sorority chapter leadership type and possibly working part time in addition to that.

The women in the top sororities in my college had a good number of real life on campus options. They weren't using dating websites at the time (2001-2005). Why would they? Typically, they were chased by....

• Guys in the top fraternities (often the fraternity that had the closest relationship to that particular sorority)
• College athletes with good physiques and/or ones that had future professional sports money coming.
• Non-Greek Life affiliated guys from their classes and extra-curricular campus club activities
• Random college student daygame approachers walking between classes and at the on campus gym. Fewer women wore earbuds/headphones back when I was in college, but top tier women were already starting to use earbuds with iPods/other MP3 players in the pre-smartphone era. Random campus daygame approaches were less common but still happened

Attractive women that weren't sorority affiliated still had similar options. Their options were more from the last 3 bullet points + off campus apartment parties that non-Greek Life people had.

I always chose men based in desire, moxy (confidence), fun and accomplishment. So some stoner washing dishes never, and I mean NEVER would have a shot with a girl like me.

There were women at my Hot Girl U who behaved exactly as your describe your own behavior.

 

[SW15]

Would you agree or disagree with the OP that the fastest way to get laid within 1-2 years is to find employment in "Easy Mode" (a major city bar or restaurant with a young crowd) or "Medium Mode" (a local spot like Chilli's with women working there), with the requirements being: younger is better (college age is ideal), be skinny (if not, cut or use Ozempic), tattoos add style (not necessary), have medium-level social skills—don’t be an idiot or shy—and you cannot be the owner or a member of the administration?

Just for some context, here are pictures of the hypothetical staff and patrons:


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@CornbreadFed 's point in the first post has validity. It can work. I don't think it's the absolute best way to do it.

The absolute fastest way to get laid with many women and have abundance is by being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular. More money is better than less money but that's not going to matter that much.

There are scenarios where bartenders, bouncers, and music DJs get laid with hot female staffers (often female bartenders). In strip clubs, the bouncer-stripper pairing happens. In regular clubs, DJs get laid with attractive female club attendees.

In looking at the pictures of the hypothetical nightlife patrons (the first two pictures), the best way to seduce those women would be with looks and not necessarily working at venues where they go. I would recommend being a fellow venue patron and being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular. Occupation won't matter too much if the guy is hot enough. Those bar patrons look like they'd be seeking the hottest guys in the venue. Guys flashing money/possessions might help but looks will carry a man further than money in most cases.

In the third picture, there are venue workers. These look like the most attractive bartenders of a nightlife venue. The best way to seduce them would be to meet them in their leisure time (when they aren't working) for the majority of men. Their co-workers have a chance to seduce them. The woman with the visible leg tattoo would be the most likely to be impressive with the big muscular bouncer type. A nightclub DJ could have a chance to have sex with any of them if they see his pre-selection from female bar patrons (which happens). With the venue workers, the men who are going to have sex with them are going to be attractive men who meet them in their leisure time (and often display pre-selection) and the most attractive male bartenders/bouncers. The male bartenders/bouncers also might use their attractive female co-workers to meet their attractive friends who don't work at that venue (but likely work in another service industry venue as hotties).

 

[The_Sea_Wolf]

What's a smaller account considered on Instagram now? Most attractive women in my city have at least 1,000 Followers.

I can see how a guy with 200-500 Followers would encounter difficulty DMing someone with 10,000+ Followers. She has far more Instagram status at 10K.

A guy needs a certain amount of Followers, a public profile, and a good Followers to Following ratio (more Followers than Following) in order to be able to be effective on Instagram.

I never worry about followers, it has never stopped me, the main reason I dm smaller accounts is a lower noise floor to punch through.

You build your status with some good photos and by being able to talk, being out of the ordinary. You have to be exciting.

It can happen like that. Some women will get turned on by the fact you are 6'0"+ and fit/muscular. 6'0"+ and fit/muscular is the top tier of males (often called Chads).

Oh they absolutely do get turned on by it, you also get a lot of creepy women though, nothing like a 38 year old divorced mother of 3 ****faced at a party hitting on you who won't go away because you ****ed up and said good evening to her.

 

[CornbreadFed]

In looking at the pictures of the hypothetical nightlife patrons (the first two pictures), the best way to seduce those women would be with looks and not necessarily working at venues where they go. I would recommend being a fellow venue patron and being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular. Occupation won't matter too much if the guy is hot enough. Those bar patrons look like they'd be seeking the hottest guys in the venue. Guys flashing money/possessions might help but looks will carry a man further than money in most cases.

My friend is one of those types of girls in those pictures. This method will not work on them unless you are a good looking bartender/bouncer with game. You will definitely need status and money or looks and game to get by. I have a friend that does bag these girls without money or status, but he looks like Justin Bieber and has that certain likable mtv personality that would help him network in to these circles. He’s never had a problem with bagging hot women ever in his life because he has always been a tall pretty boy. The only way for a normal guy to get in to this is become rich or get in to a high status career like a doctor/pilot and looksmax like my other friend. He’s a surgeon that got jacked/bald maxed and exclusively messes around with women like the ones in those photos.

My method is clearly for guys that just want sex with as much women as possible. I wouldn’t personally do it because you are essentially sacrificing your life for pvssy. Your average guy is just never going to be in the position to just bang 100 9s and 10s with zero baggage. I am not here to pitch snake oil to the average guy like some posters on here either. T

 

[BeExcellent]

You have achieved something that many women can't achieve.

That's impressive for age 45+. All of this has happened for you as a 45+ woman and even 50+ woman. You attract a lot of men in person. That's not something that every woman can claim. Why do you think there are women who are substantially younger than you are that barely get approached in real life?

There were women at my Hot Girl U who behaved exactly as your describe your own behavior.

The biggest things women do that put men off in real life are appearance based gaffes and attitude/personality issues, in that order. We all know men want the most attractive woman with a tolerable to pleasing personality he can find. Some men are picky about nails, about smells, about style & appropriateness of dress, especially in more successful circles. Some women are quite photogenic but are not as attractive in real life. I'm the opposite. I can take a stunning photo but many women take better photos than I do. I am more attractive in real life. I'm also athletic, trim, fit, and have a classic pin-up figure. That is lucky genetics combined with healthy disciplined lifestyle choices. I look 10-15 years younger than my age.

Personality wise I'm open, curious, fun & engaging. I adore men. Men pick up on this (why am I here? I like men & want to see men succeed...) In some ways I relate better to men than to women. That is a product of the influence of my father and of growing up in a neighborhood full of boys where I was a tomboy.

Men immediately relax and sense that I enjoy male company. They open up. Even the players, who I appreciate, because the game IS tougher for most men.....This increases the attractiveness that was already there based on physical appearance. I'm approachable & relatable, although a bit aloof and mysterious. Men get curious, then intrigued, then they want to be around more. It's something in my way of being that I do effortlessly, its very attractive, and I realize its unusual. In fact I have to monitor myself when around couples. The women will get jealous of how their man wants to socialize with me if I don't pay attention. I've become extremely well calibrated socially to avoid poor optics in social situations. Even professional situations.

Women who are stand offish, resting ***** face, feminists, or bitter/distrustful women are off putting to men, or may get relegated to recreational use only, which of course makes their personality issues worse over time. Even very physically attractive women will often have these issues (like perhaps your yoga instructor). Bad attitudes, entitlement & insecurity will turn a man off wanting an interaction beyond sex very quickly. And often women don't accept or acknowledge their role in relationship struggles. Then they wonder why they are perpetually single.

Women who are hot/pretty/sexy AND cool? They are almost always taken, and if they become unattached? They get snatched up quickly. So yeah there are valid complaints about the dating pool being the left overs and the rejects. And dealing with that jades people over time, men and women both.

Having seen lots of guys throw thousands at bottle service in the clubs in Old Town Scottsdale (for example) I can tell you not even that will work on hot industry chicks, who are often at work dressed in bustiers, garters and thongs or some variety of lingerie and are well aware that being eye candy is part of the job, so they learn to be nice, get the big tips and studiously avoid 99.8% of the men oogling them and tipping them. And it's weirdly normalized. My best girlfriend's daughter was a bottle service girl in one of those big clubs. It was always kind of funny to go there with my husband & friend & her husband....and there's the daughter (very tall, model looking girl) with lingerie & a g-string on & that's it, hanging out & serving us while working dressed (undressed) like that. It was like "Whatever".

The clubs like 11 in Miami are like that too. All the women are in lingerie who work there, some are topless even, in clubs that are not strip clubs by overt design but might as well be. And maybe 11 has back rooms and private "VIP" areas. It was certainly packed with plenty of attractive young women as well as men when we were there a couple of years ago.

The key with those industry girls is to be cool as a guy. You know, be able to act totally normal and cool even though the boobs and butts are openly on display right under your nose. Treat them like a person, not a sex object, as counter intuitive as that may seem to some sex starved guy out there. You know, like being around mostly naked hot women is a normal day in the life kind of thing for you. No drooling or overt oogling.

Normal women on swipe apps are never going to be dressed like that on a date, so its not an issue but the key is still to be cool.

And to be cool you need to be confident & yada yada yada, the usual stuff on self improvement & social calibration that gets preached around here.