Is self-improvement really all that necessary?

[ocho_da_musician]

The only thing here to explain is that, in your little brain, you're focused on getting sex, you're an extremely thirsty guy who is looking for a cheat code to get what you most desire in live "sex". Wrong approach my friend.

"little brain"????? Alright y'all I'm done. Good day

 

[BPH]

"little brain"????? Alright y'all I'm done. Good day

Between this thread and the other, it seems you take constructive criticism personally.

I shudder to think how you react to a rejection.

 

[BadBoy89]

The point of self improvement isn’t to get “hot babes”, the point of self improvement is to be the best man you can be The hot girl just comes along for ride.

Too many men make getting the girl the end all and be all. Remember men, girls are the icing on the cake: They are not the cake.

If a man lives a rich and full life, dresses well, takes care of himself, provides value to the world, the girls will come around. Hot girls want to connect with strong powerful men, They don’t want to connect with weak beta minded men.

Come on men, don’t he stupid to think you can live in a basement and be successful. How far would ciivilzation come if all men thought like that?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

If you aren't willing to improve yourself you are going nowhere with women or in life.

Tha basis for becoming a man with purpose in life is constant self-improvement.

A man without purpose in life is going to live a lowly existence.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Between this thread and the other, it seems you take constructive criticism personally.

I shudder to think how you react to a rejection.

Probably explains why he is getting kicked out of places when it happens.

 

[BaronOfHair]

But are there not unemployed dudes sitting around drinking beer and watching TV all day and still receiving oral sex from hot babes?

Yeah: They're 80something year old 1%ers, who've got an escort service run by The Serbian Mob on retainer, who sends them 18 year olds who've been kidnapped off the streets of Minsk and Bangkok on a daily basis

Just like the rest of us though, you're not a 1%er, and likely never will be, hoss... Be prepared to put in the effort, like the other 99% of the male population

 

[BaronOfHair]

Come on men, don’t he stupid to think you can live in a basement and be successful. How far would ciivilzation come if all men thought like that?

Just as Wokeness-and it's predeccesors in The 70s and 80s-misled many non-whites, gays, and women into thinking "Society is inherently Patriarchal/White Supremacist/Heteronormative, therefore I'm entitled to

-Go through life a hood rat, terrorizing everyone on the subway and being disruptive in the middle of a movie theater or a comedy show

-Walk into Baltaire wearing assless chaps and a leather vest with no shirt underneath


-Blow myself up to Andrea Dworkinish proportions, stop shaving my underarms, dress in nothing but Goodwill wear

And everybody just needs to accept me, no matter how objectively grotesque I am"


Large segments of The Manosphere conned many men into thinking: "Gynocentrism is baked into the foundations of society, therefore I'm entitled to

-Spend 98% of my free time in the comments section of YouTube, taking the piss out of Disney for ruining my childhood, even though I'm not physically a child, and intellectually recognize that folks like Rigby http://johnbrownnotesandessays.blogspot.com/2016/03/no-self-respecting-adult-should-buy.html?m=1 and Linker https://theweek.com/articles/595463/how-america-became-obsessed-star-wars-other-childish-things are right on the money


-Subsist off a diet Twinkies and Hot Pockets, until my gunt is 10 times the size of that sported by the likes of Carl Benjamin, Matt Jarbo, and Paul Elam combined

-Walk around town dressed in cartoon Ts and cargo shorts

And the check-out girl at Walmart and the waiter at Outback should still smile at me/go the extra mile in terms of service. Even though I've essentially gone out of my way to flip the rest of the human race the bird, smirk, then taunt "Whatcha gonna do about it now?"

 

[BackInTheGame78]

No, I have no problem with self-improvement. I'm just having a hard time buying into the idea that it's guaranteed to increase your lay count. I ain't gonna lie, you guys seem pretty hostile on this forum, not sure if I'm gonna stick around fr

Life doesn't come with guarantees. With women or anything else. You aren't even guaranteed to wake up tomorrow morning when you go to sleep tonight.

The probability is that self improvement will because that's how life typically works...successful people are sought after by women due to many factors but the confidence they have in themselves is one of the biggest ones.

However the issue you seem to have is that your focus is on the wrong thing. You want some magic shortcut to get women without having any basis for getting them.

Once again, I will tell you that in life you don't usually get what you want, you get what you have earned.

If we are talking about where you are in terms of the best version of you that you could be versus the version of you now on a 0-100 scale, based on what you have posted, I would probably put you at somewhere around a 10-15 out of a 100.

Essentially what I am saying is that you are far closer to the bottom than you are to the top and that you have a lot of room for improvement and growth, in pretty much every area.

That's up to you as a man to take to heart and want to do. Not for women, for yourself. Attracting women is simply a byproduct of you ramping up your "improved self" towards your maximum potential. You will naturally start displaying things and acting in ways that are attractive to women as you start moving higher and higher on that scale. It may not make sense to you but that's how it works.

However, you were talking about how you worked a fast food job before and "had some money". Bro...that's not money. That's a very low bar and standard to have for yourself. Part of the issue as I am seeing is that your standard for what you find acceptable for yourself is very low and until you start holding yourself to higher standards you are going to have trouble progressing much, if at all.

If you consider having a minimum wage job as acceptable in terms of being financially successful, that's a major problem.

You are a grown man.

The following should be bare minimum goals for yourself to have:

1) Own place to live in a decent area
2) Own car that is decent
3) Job/Career paying a minimum of 60K a year(more if you live in an expensive area of the country or a big city).

These are just the bare minimum, this isn't anything special. This is just you heading down the right path.

As a 20 year old, that is something you should be shooting for by the time you are 24 or 25 at the latest. Regardless of where you are now these are very achievable by the time you hit 25. It's all determined by how driven and focused you are on achieving them.

So that means if you are falling short of this right now, you need to determine what changes in your life you need to make starting now to get you headed towards those so that within 4-5 years you are on track with that. If you are making choices in your life that don't align towards those, then you need to start making better life choices for yourself.

Goals are an important part of that because of you have no goals you are working towards in your life, you aren't likely to be very far.

 

[Vanderdonck]

But are there not unemployed dudes sitting around drinking beer and watching TV all day and still receiving oral sex from hot babes?

No there are not. Maybe these guys can get occasional BJs but the women connected to the lips involved are not going to be "hot." Thread started on false premise.