Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere! Life When Your Blue Pill Social Circle Starts Having Babies

[SW15]

There is much resentment in seduction forums and the Manosphere of ordinary dudes with women.

I have noticed this as well, I'm glad you brought it up, especially with "average" or "ugly" guys who are with hot/pretty women that they met in a social circle or through High school/College.

in 2025 the manosphere/Red Pill community has a disdain for ordinary men (not only Chad's) it's baffling to me that men won't take a page from those guy's book to learn what makes them successful and instead try to shame these men or even women

When average guys end up in longer term relationships with hot/pretty women, it is often through social circle. Even if you look at high school/college, it is rare that it was a purely stranger approach. It's very easy to approach strangers with whom you share no connections on campus at a larger state university. It's a little bit more difficult to do this in high school but still possible in most high schools.

It might be good for some men to learn from more ordinary men about how they built the social circles that led to them getting into relationships. Social circle is the best way for a man to get a girlfriend with the least amount of grief and frustration.

The social circle method has its limitations but does have value.

Like @SW15 said perfectly the resentment is that they aren't getting laid, however, I will take it a step further. There is also resentment that they can't get the type of women that they want in a relationship and be happy. They see men they perceive as lower than them (BETA or Ugly) having success and it infuriates them. They can't hide their jealously. Not understanding that women's attraction for a man who may not be conventionally attractive can increase just by proximity and spending more time etc.

I agree with your assessment when you took it even further than my more simplistic yet accurate assessment.

Most seducers/PUA/RP guys do not have friend groups for various reasons i.e. awkward, mental illness,boring or just don't plain have access to a friend group

I consider myself a seducer with a primarily red pill ideology on relationships.

I didn't realize that it was rare for seducers to have friend groups. It is clear that I have friends since there is a long thread about my friends and their primarily blue pill ideologies towards relationships. I like my friends even if I see them less frequently due to changes in their lifestyles in recent years. I want to retain these friends and I've done a good job retaining friends over the course of my life.

While I have had friends, I have never had a social circle that is capable of providing introductions to potential dates. Those two things are not the same.

 

[Solomon]

While I have had friends, I have never had a social circle that is capable of providing introductions to potential dates. Those two things are not the same.

You bring an excellent point, I'm actually going to make a thread about it, it's going to be long and detailed on how to get a social circle with hot chicks. I will be giving a step by step guide on how I did it, took me 11 years to do so, so I highly doubt most people will bother to put in the work

 

[SW15]

You bring an excellent point, I'm actually going to make a thread about it, it's going to be long and detailed on how to get a social circle with hot chicks. I will be giving a step by step guide on how I did it, took me 11 years to do so, so I highly doubt most people will bother to put in the work

I look forward to seeing that thread.

Building a social circle capable of providing introductions that can lead to dates and relationship is something that often takes years to do.

The average horny guy with urgent needs to pound pussie is less inclined to do social circle building. It's something that takes years to do if it's done correctly and it's not easy to do correctly.

This is why men use swipe apps, send DMs on social media platforms, and approach strangers. These are things that offer a more immediate promise. However, all are challenging paths.

When women date, women tend to resort to using swipe apps when they can't effectively meet men in the real world and also lack social circle options.

 

[Solomon]

I look forward to seeing that thread.

Building a social circle capable of providing introductions that can lead to dates and relationship is something that often takes years to do.

The average horny guy with urgent needs to pound pussie is less inclined to do social circle building. It's something that takes years to do if it's done correctly and it's not easy to do correctly.

This is why men use swipe apps, send DMs on social media platforms, and approach strangers. These are things that offer a more immediate promise. However, all are challenging paths.

When women date, women tend to resort to using swipe apps when they can't effectively meet men in the real world and also lack social circle options.

I totally agree with you women who use swipe apps can't meet the men they want or better yet retain them in person for whatever reason. Most women have far better opportunities to meet men than vice versa especially if a woman has an active social life. If a woman doesn't have a social circle or at least a couple girlfriends she will be relegated to other means of dating

The average guy who deals with women from swipe apps how long is he able to retain her outside of a single date or bang if he's lucky? Even if he can retain her, to a lot of women (especially hot bougie white ones) it's going to be a red flag if he doesn't have any friends or social circle.

If a woman truly likes a guy she wants to be part of his life, and part of that is meeting and making a good impression when it comes to his friends and family. If a guy doesn't have that and she has an active social circle life or friend group, it's going to raise a lot of question. Women believe it or not also judge us by the company that we keep and who we(men) associate with. You may be able to hide this in a fling or short-term relationship but in a long-term relationship eventually, a woman is going to want to see the people you hang out with etc.

This is the part that seldom gets talked about here or in the community when we talk about social circles. Women's retention as a man is based on your value part of that value is having a friend group whether men like it or not it's important to women especially if we are talking about attractive women

 

[SW15]

Most women have far better opportunities to meet men than vice versa especially if a woman has an active social life. If a woman doesn't have a social circle or at least a couple girlfriends she will be relegated to other means of dating

In thinking about this, it can be considered a red flag if a woman uses a swipe app.

Why didn't she meet a man through her social circle? She had opportunities.

Why didn't she meet a man through another real life option? She had opportunities.

It's a sign she has not done well with retention or she has a poor day-to-day routine.

When women get to be 30+, they tend to have fewer social circle options because many of their friends are in marriages and LTRs. Many also have children. These friends who are married and possibly have children aren't as likely to be able to help them with introductions.

The average guy who deals with women from swipe apps how long is he able to retain her outside of a single date or bang if he's lucky?

The average guy who deals with women from swipe apps struggles with retention.

The most common swipe app interaction outcome for average tier guys is "1 date, no sex, second date".

if he can retain her, to a lot of women (especially hot bougie white ones) it's going to be a red flag if he doesn't have any friends or social circle.

You may be able to hide this in a fling or short-term relationship but in a long-term relationship eventually, a woman is going to want to see the people you hang out with etfc.

This is true. In extended interactions, bougie White women want to see that they have a boyfriend with friends. They don't want to date a major social reject. Women might be a little understanding on a lack of friends if a man recently relocated to an area. That grace period is 1 year maximum.

Women's retention as a man is based on your value part

Both initial attraction and retention are related to the value offered. This forum doesn't talk enough about retention.

 

[SW15]

I had a social circle gathering with one male friend and one male acquaintance within the last few days.

Here's what I learned.

The male acquaintance is about to become a father for the 2nd time later in 2025. The first birth was in 2023. Wife is now late 30s.

A different acquaintance (someone else who had moved out of state) caused pregnancy #2 with his wife in 2024, a pregnancy not previously mentioned on this thread but mentioned in a conversation during the gathering. The birth already happened.

This is a greatly unbalanced couple in terms of looks. They formed as a result of watching sports in a bar when both were fans of the same team. The woman is physically attractive but was pushing 30 when they met and the man was/is a beta male. She also has a demanding type career, so that's more masculine energy than feminine energy. They ended up getting married. I've barely interacted with the two parts of this couple, but they have had some substantial interactions with some of my friends and other acquaintances. The guy looks like a dweeb and the woman is borderline cute/hot. In terms of looks alone, she's at least 2.5 points higher than he is on a looks alone rating scale. I perceive that at least 1 of the following 3 reasons applies to their relationship and would help explain why they are together.

• He is rich
• He has a big penis
• She is a hotwife who is permitted to have sex with other men

She had a "last call" type baby with him in her mid-30s in 2022 and a 2nd one in 2024. If none of the reasons above apply, I perceive that she settled for the beta bucks side of her hypergamy because she couldn't get a commitment from a true alpha despite her good looks. My friend thought none of my 3 reasons applied and she was just settling for a "nice guy" type. It it is doubtful that she's going to enjoy the next 18-20 years with some boring, dweebish looking beta bucks guy. She will be the classic late 30s/40 something MILF.

My social circle is having babies like it is the 1950s. All of these "Last Call" mid to late 30s pregnancies. There have been over 10 live births in my bougie Millennial social circle since the beginning of 2022.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I had a social circle gathering with one male friend and one male acquaintance within the last few days.

Here's what I learned.

The male acquaintance is about to become a father for the 2nd time later in 2025. The first birth was in 2023. Wife is now late 30s.

A different acquaintance (someone else who had moved out of state) caused pregnancy #2 with his wife in 2024, a pregnancy not previously mentioned on this thread but mentioned in a conversation during the gathering. The birth already happened.

This is a greatly unbalanced couple in terms of looks. They formed as a result of watching sports in a bar when both were fans of the same team. The woman is physically attractive but was pushing 30 when they met and the man was/is a beta male. She also has a demanding type career, so that's more masculine energy than feminine energy. They ended up getting married. I've barely interacted with the two parts of this couple, but they have had some substantial interactions with some of my friends and other acquaintances. The guy looks like a dweeb and the woman is borderline cute/hot. In terms of looks alone, she's at least 2.5 points higher than he is on a looks alone rating scale. I perceive that at least 1 of the following 3 reasons applies to their relationship and would help explain why they are together.

• He is rich
• He has a big penis
• She is a hotwife who is permitted to have sex with other men

She had a "last call" type baby with him in her mid-30s in 2022 and a 2nd one in 2024. If none of the reasons above apply, I perceive that she settled for the beta bucks side of her hypergamy because she couldn't get a commitment from a true alpha despite her good looks. My friend thought none of my 3 reasons applied and she was just settling for a "nice guy" type. It it is doubtful that she's going to enjoy the next 18-20 years with some boring, dweebish looking beta bucks guy. She will be the classic late 30s/40 something MILF.

My social circle is having babies like it is the 1950s. All of these "Last Call" mid to late 30s pregnancies. There have been over 10 live births in my bougie Millennial social circle since the beginning of 2022.

Have you considered undergoing a sex change yourself? Not even joking here: You spend more time fretting over what is, isn't and may/not be happening in everyone else's households than most WOMEN I've met

 

[Slowhandluke]

I've barely interacted with the two parts of this couple, but they have had some substantial interactions with some of my friends and other acquaintances. The guy looks like a dweeb and the woman is borderline cute/hot. In terms of looks alone, she's at least 2.5 points higher than he is on a looks alone rating scale. I perceive that at least 1 of the following 3 reasons applies to their relationship and would help explain why they are together.

• He is rich
• He has a big penis
• She is a hotwife who is permitted to have sex with other men

She had a "last call" type baby with him in her mid-30s in 2022 and a 2nd one in 2024. If none of the reasons above apply, I perceive that she settled for the beta bucks side of her hypergamy because she couldn't get a commitment from a true alpha despite her good looks. My friend thought none of my 3 reasons applied and she was just settling for a "nice guy" type. It it is doubtful that she's going to enjoy the next 18-20 years with some boring, dweebish looking beta bucks guy. She will be the classic late 30s/40 something MILF.

I don't like to use 3rd hand accounts of things when I come to conclusions. Next time, just make friends with the couple and try to figure out why they are together even though there's a 2.5 higher "point" difference.

You could find out he's really just a nice guy and she's a decent person. At the end of the day, we guys IMHO have a hard time ranking other guys. Perhaps after you get to know them, you might find out (2nd glance), they have the same "ranking". She might not be too hot, but that day she had a great hair day, and the makeup was especially good. Who knows? Perhaps most of the time she's fat, but right now, she lost weight...

 

[SW15]

I don't like to use 3rd hand accounts of things when I come to conclusions. Next time, just make friends with the couple and try to figure out why they are together even though there's a 2.5 higher "point" difference.

I don't know if this counts as a 3rd hand account. These acquaintances are people who are friend or acquaintances with my friends. I have been in the same room with them before (only once or twice).

Multiple guys in the social circle have commented about the glaring mismatch. I'm not the only one.

This couple has moved away from my local area so I'm unlikely to ever see them again now.

You could find out he's really just a nice guy and she's a decent person.

No idea if that's true. He looks like a beta nice guy.

The social circle tends to think she settled for him after failing to get commitments from hot guy alpha/sigma types. She didn't meet him until she was nearly 30.

She wasn't fat pre-pregnancies ever.

 

[Slowhandluke]

This couple has moved away from my local area so I'm unlikely to ever see them again now.

Then why care? Personally, they are like grains of sand in an hour glass. Nothing more nothing less. I'm sure you will meet other people like them. Be friends with these people. Sometimes when I know a couple better, I understand why things are the way they are. Perhaps, the husband met her when she is fat.. or she has a medical condition that has prevented her from getting other guys "at her level". There are so many reasons for things to be as they are. Maybe she did settle??? who knows? Settling is not necessary a bad thing. She might have been lied to and brainwashed to think she was a 10, but lucky she knew her mistake and liked the "beta male" enough, she "settled" for him and now they love each other. There are worse cases where the woman is so delusional, these women turn 40 and yet, they still think they are the cats meow. Not bad if she course corrected by the time she was 30 to be honest. The temptation to chase the chad is very high for young women.

 

[SW15]

Not bad if she course corrected by the time she was 30 to be honest.

It's likely she deserves credit for that if that's true. That would be Courtney Ryan-Teddy Baldassarre but this guy has no money or status. Very boring college graduate guy.

The temptation to chase the chad is very high for young women.

Women have been doing more Chad chasing in recent times.

I don't remember this being talked about as much when I was in college (2001-2005).

There were NCAA athletes when I was on campus and top tier fraternity guys. That was tough competition even back then.

Female abundance has increased so much since the time I was in college. I was in college at the tail end of the days when online dating websites had a major stigma.

There are worse cases where the woman is so delusional, these women turn 40 and yet, they still think they are the cats meow.

This happens regularly. I've seen it in interactions with women around ages 35-40.