The reason I believe most men can relate to Jordan Peterson vs other dating gurus

[Plinco]

"If you want to be loved, you have to earn it"

^ That wasn't the problem with Elliott Rodger. Again, I guarantee there were girls at his college who were into him (with how good his looks were). His problem was the fact we live in a society where the guy is expected to make the first move (and Elliott Rodger had a condition, ASD, where he had a hard time making the first move...for reasons beyond his control)

Bull sh!t

This is the problem with black pillers. It's called psychological determinism. Elliott Rodger had the ability to overcome his shortcomings, but instead he went on a killing spree.

As @H8CourtshipWithAPassion has pointed out before, the problem us autistic men face goes beyond merely being nervous/awkward when pursuing a woman. We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

I'm a social retard myself. It took me years of experience and observation to find patterns so that I could understand why people were doing what they were doing. In that time, I still got laid, made acquaintances, and found jobs because I busted my butt. Everybody is different and we are not all equal. Some people are smart, some people are stupid, some people are good looking, some people are ugly, etc.

 

[zekko]

I don't really think of Peterson as a dating guru. He does address the subject, men's rights, and masculinity, but he speaks on a very broad range of topics.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The lack of sex is not the problem, it's a merely symptom.

Truth.

If you study the lives of serial killers, lack of sex is generally not a big variable.

One thing that IS a big issue is a really fvcked up, abusive childhood, AND often times head trauma at an early age.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I don't really think of Peterson as a dating guru.

Peterson very much wants to turn himself into a guru for whoever wants to listen to him on YouTube and buy his books.

He's struck gold and he's milking it for all it's worth.

 

[EyeBRollin]

He’s just another grifter.

 

[GoodMan32]

Truth.

If you study the lives of serial killers, lack of sex is generally not a big variable.

One thing that IS a big issue is a really fvcked up, abusive childhood, AND often times head trauma at an early age.

But the fact many mass killers were virgins (or at least had hardly any luck with the ladies) is worth taking into account.

If the sex thing is a common denominator for a lot of mass killers, perhaps lack of sex played more of a role than you give it credit for.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

"If you want to be loved, you have to earn it"

^ That wasn't the problem with Elliott Rodger. Again, I guarantee there were girls at his college who were into him (with how good his looks were). His problem was the fact we live in a society where the guy is expected to make the first move (and Elliott Rodger had a condition, ASD, where he had a hard time making the first move...for reasons beyond his control)

As @H8CourtshipWithAPassion has pointed out before, the problem us autistic men face goes beyond merely being nervous/awkward when pursuing a woman. We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on whether Elliott Rodger felt entitled. The fact there were ugly dudes at his college getting girls, yet his good-looking self was a virgin at 22, really sounds like (to quote Elliott Rodger) an injustice.

I wouldn't call being angry at an injustice "entitlement"

We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

Yeah, no wonder lots of autistic men feel its hopeless for them, and many don't want to bother to try anymore because of negative/awkward interactions they've had with women in the past

 

[Gamisch]

We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

Yeah, no wonder lots of autistic men feel its hopeless for them, and many don't want to bother to try anymore because of negative/awkward interactions they've had with women in the past

So what you gonna DO about it?

Serious question.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

So what you gonna DO about it?

Serious question.

Don't know, honestly i don't know, obviously men are stuck with the burden or role of having to approach/initiate, ask out, whether they like it or not

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

1.) Nobody is entitled to anything

2.) Relationships are an addition to your life, not a necessity.

Elliott Rodger had a whole bunch of mental issues. The lack of sex is not the problem, it's a merely symptom.

naturally it feels like women are the only gender that are owed/entitled to relationships since they have the luxury of being chased/pursued, hit on, get offers.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

If the sex thing is a common denominator for a lot of mass killers,

It's not.

Mass killers and lack of sexual experiences are not well correlated if you actually look at the data instead of reading black pill nonsense.

 

[Gamisch]

Don't know, honestly i don't know, obviously men are stuck with the burden or role of having to approach/initiate, ask out, whether they like it or not

* disclaimer: tough love incoming!!*
Pro tip.

When you take a shower on Sunday lift up your beer belly and see if there's a small wiener hanging down there.

If it does, that means you should slap your father for failing to explain to you that being a man isn't supposed to be easy. Being a man means overcoming hardship, and actually embrace those hardships. Eventually the things you worked hard for will make your victories soooo much sweeter.

If you prefer to be a woman, you are born in the perfect era. Transformers are perfectly accepted nowadays. You can put on make up and mini skirts while not bleeding once a month! Best of both worlds!!

Or you follow our advice and improve till the wheels fall off. Your choice.

 

[GoodMan32]

We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

Yeah, no wonder lots of autistic men feel its hopeless for them, and many don't want to bother to try anymore because of negative/awkward interactions they've had with women in the past

The worst part is even a lot of female autists expect us to know what is and isn't "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and don't have any sympathy for the struggles we face)

 

[GoodMan32]

naturally it feels like women are the only gender that are owed/entitled to relationships since they have the luxury of being chased/pursued, hit on, get offers.

Well-said.

When a woman accuses a man of feeling entitled/owed, it's pure projection.

Unless she's severely deformed, a woman will never know what it's like to struggle for affection from the opposite sex.

 

[GoodMan32]

It's not.

Mass killers and lack of sexual experiences are not well correlated if you actually look at the data instead of reading black pill nonsense.

Ok, while I admit I don't know the exact percentage of how many mass killers were incels/borderline incels, quite a few were.

 

[Plinco]

We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

Yeah, no wonder lots of autistic men feel its hopeless for them, and many don't want to bother to try anymore because of negative/awkward interactions they've had with women in the past

You can also do something unwittingly intelligent too.

Don't know, honestly i don't know, obviously men are stuck with the burden or role of having to approach/initiate, ask out, whether they like it or not

Opportunity or burden?

naturally it feels like women are the only gender that are owed/entitled to relationships since they have the luxury of being chased/pursued, hit on, get offers.

If the incentives change, so does the behavior.

The worst part is even a lot of female autists expect us to know what is and isn't "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and don't have any sympathy for the struggles we face)

Sometimes even children don't get sympathy.

Ok, while I admit I don't know the exact percentage of how many mass killers were incels/borderline incels, quite a few were.

Perhaps you could look up the facts before you guess them.

Well-said.

When a woman accuses a man of feeling entitled/owed, it's pure projection.

Unless she's severely deformed, a woman will never know what it's like to struggle for affection from the opposite sex.

Entitled women are entertaining to watch.

Women do struggle for those 'Chads.' Not effectively I might add.

 

[Plinco]

When I'm thinking about Aspergers syndrome, it reminds me of this character

 

[GoodMan32]

You can also do something unwittingly intelligent too.



Opportunity or burden?



If the incentives change, so does the behavior.



Sometimes even children don't get sympathy.



Perhaps you could look up the facts before you guess them.



Entitled women are entertaining to watch.

Women do struggle for those 'Chads.' Not effectively I might add.

When your rejection rate is sky high (and you have a social phobia that makes it hard to approach a woman in the first place), being expected to do the approaching is more of a burden than an opportunity.

Regardless of the percentage of how many mass killers were incels/borderline incels, the fact I could name (off the top of my head) several mass killers who were incels/borderline incels is very telling. Also, it's crucial to take the type of mass killing into account. A lot of mass killings are gang-related. Obviously a gangster has an easy time getting laid (because a woman finds a criminal sexually exciting). Non-gang mass killings, on the other hand, are highly likely to be carried out by incels/borderline incels.

You're right about a woman struggling for Chad. A woman's idea of a "problem" sexually is being unable to get her ideal man. A man's idea of a problem sexually is being unable to get a woman at all.

 

[GoodMan32]

When I'm thinking about Aspergers syndrome, it reminds me of this character

Some of us are high-functioning (like him). Myself included.

Rain Man is an example of a lower-functioning autist.

 

[Plinco]

When your rejection rate is sky high (and you have a social phobia that makes it hard to approach a woman in the first place), being expected to do the approaching is more of a burden than an opportunity.

It's all about attitude. Taking the correct action is a victory in itself if it moves you in the right direction. It's said that MMA fights are won in the time spend in the dojo.

You're right about a woman struggling for Chad. A woman's idea of a "problem" sexually is being unable to get her ideal man. A man's idea of a problem sexually is being unable to get a woman at all.

My issue is a particular type of women. You'll find out that you are not compatible with most people, women included.

I approach the top 1% of women. My rejection rate is close to 100%. That's not a reason to lower my standards.