The reason I believe most men can relate to Jordan Peterson vs other dating gurus

[eli77]

https://www.facebook.com/share/18WbgzwAfd/

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

That's an AI generated Peterson voice parroting some pretty general stuff.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I'm not the biggest fan of Jordan Peterson but I respect him for having balls and standing up for his beliefs. The guy was a tenured professor at the University of Toronto (arguably the most prestos university in Canada). He also had a successful practice as a clinical psychologist. He had to give it all up because he was opposed to political correctness and the woke agenda. His psychologist license was revoked over the gender pronouns nonsense and he resigned from U of T to protest DEI initiatives (they made it impossible for straight white males to get research positions). He's one of those rare people who actually put their money where their mouth is.

 

[eli77]

I'm not the biggest fan of Jordan Peterson but I respect him for having balls and standing up for his beliefs. The guy was a tenured professor at the University of Toronto (arguably the most prestos university in Canada). He also had a successful practice as a clinical psychologist. He had to give it all up because he was opposed to political correctness and the woke agenda. His psychologist license was revoked over the gender pronouns nonsense and he resigned from U of T to protest DEI initiatives (they made it impossible for straight white males to get research positions). He's one of those rare people who actually put their money where their mouth is.

Ill take him over most dating coaches the last decade what dont you like about him I find him to be the most base redpill/bluepill figure out right now.

 

[sevbucmash]

I watched peterson's interview on lex friedman and decided he's not someone worth listening to. Then lex friedman interviewed zelensky, so I unsubscribed and blocked him as well.

The only advice worth listening to is whoever tells you to make money.

Both peterson and lex are on the bleeding edge of B/S. Whatever B/S is popular, they roll with it. Blind people follow. It's their business, they make money on B/S. So take advice from what they do, not what they say, make a ton of money.

 

[eli77]

I watched peterson's interview on lex friedman and decided he's not someone worth listening to. Then lex friedman interviewed zelensky, so I unsubscribed and blocked him as well.

The only advice worth listening to is whoever tells you to make money.

Both peterson and lex are on the bleeding edge of B/S. Whatever B/S is popular, they roll with it. Blind people follow. It's their business, they make money on B/S. So take advice from what they do, not what they say, make a ton of money.

elaborate!!

 

[CornbreadFed]

I never liked Jordan Peterson. I remember him turning some Lion King scene in to a whole ball of shvt and I was like this dude is nuts.

 

[Plinco]

I'm not the biggest fan of Jordan Peterson but I respect him for having balls and standing up for his beliefs. The guy was a tenured professor at the University of Toronto (arguably the most prestos university in Canada). He also had a successful practice as a clinical psychologist. He had to give it all up because he was opposed to political correctness and the woke agenda. His psychologist license was revoked over the gender pronouns nonsense and he resigned from U of T to protest DEI initiatives (they made it impossible for straight white males to get research positions). He's one of those rare people who actually put their money where their mouth is.

I agree with this. For the most part, his influence is beneficial. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed watching his butt kicked in a debate years ago.

 

[eli77]

I agree with this. For the most part, his influence is beneficial. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed watching his butt kicked in a debate years ago.

Which debate?

 

[GoodMan32]

A lot of mass killings, even ones that weren't specifically motivated by inceldom (like Elliott Rodger), have been carried out by men who get little to no sex.

Jordan Peterson is onto something when he says society would be more stable if we returned to the days when just about every man got a woman.

 

[eli77]

A lot of mass killings, even ones that weren't specifically motivated by inceldom (like Elliott Rodger), have been carried out by men who get little to no sex.

Jordan Peterson is onto something when he says society would be more stable if we returned to the days when just about every man got a woman.

Good point but if Elliot wasn't an incel I don't know who is.

 

[Gamisch]

A lot of mass killings, even ones that weren't specifically motivated by inceldom (like Elliott Rodger), have been carried out by men who get little to no sex.

Jordan Peterson is onto something when he says society would be more stable if we returned to the days when just about every man got a woman.

Yeah because women have no feelings so you should just be able to buy them like they are kettle.

You're insane.

 

[GoodMan32]

Good point but if Elliot wasn't an incel I don't know who is.

I probably could have worded my post better.

I meant it as in: Elliott's mass killing was specifically motivated by his inceldom. On the other hand, there have been mass killings that were carried out by incels even if the official motivation wasn't inceldom.

Perhaps the most notable example of a mass killing carried out by an incel (but for a motivation other than inceldom) is Timothy McVeigh.

There was all sorts of stuff wrong with Timothy McVeigh. That being said, if he had better luck with the ladies, it's quite possible he wouldn't have mentally degraded to the point of going on his rampage.

Yeah because women have no feelings so you should just be able to buy them like they are kettle.

You're insane.

Somehow I knew I'd get words put in my mouth for making that post.

No, I'm not saying a man should buy a woman, nor am I saying a woman should get forced to be with a man she's not attracted to.

I mentioned Timothy McVeigh to the other poster.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a bad-looking guy. Yet, based on what I've read about him, it's likely he died a virgin. The one woman he expressed interest in wasn't into him.

Additionally, Timothy was on record saying he was nervous around the ladies (which would explain why he didn't make moves more often)

If a woman making a move on a man was the social norm, however, I guarantee gals would have made moves on Timothy McVeigh (which, as a result, would have drawn his attention away from plotting a rampage)

In other words, a society where a woman makes a move on a man she's attracted to could have prevented all those victims from dying in Oklahoma City.

 

[Gamisch]

I probably could have worded my post better.

I meant it as in: Elliott's mass killing was specifically motivated by his inceldom. On the other hand, there have been mass killings that were carried out by incels even if the official motivation wasn't inceldom.

Perhaps the most notable example of a mass killing carried out by an incel (but for a motivation other than inceldom) is Timothy McVeigh.

There was all sorts of stuff wrong with Timothy McVeigh. That being said, if he had better luck with the ladies, it's quite possible he wouldn't have mentally degraded to the point of going on his rampage.



Somehow I knew I'd get words put in my mouth for making that post.

No, I'm not saying a man should buy a woman, nor am I saying a woman should get forced to be with a man she's not attracted to.

I mentioned Timothy McVeigh to the other poster.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a bad-looking guy. Yet, based on what I've read about him, it's likely he died a virgin. The one woman he expressed interest in wasn't into him.

Additionally, Timothy was on record saying he was nervous around the ladies (which would explain why he didn't make moves more often)

If a woman making a move on a man was the social norm, however, I guarantee gals would have made moves on Timothy McVeigh (which, as a result, would have drawn his attention away from plotting a rampage)

In other words, a society where a woman makes a move on a man she's attracted to could have prevented all those victims from dying in Oklahoma City.

I hope you understand way this comment is highly inappropriate. Imagine being a loved one of one of those victims and hearing incels say this out loud. It's basically a threat.

You put the blame on individual women that have the freedom of choice to NOT want him. Women are not one entity like "a government ". Every woman is an individual being.

For all we know that maniac would chill the feck down on a Friday, have some ballz and be social with people and women and find a nice "gall". Or he would've swiped right on a Bleu Sunday and matched a cutie.

The fact that you justify this tells me all I need to know about you( may there have been aby hope for you). You should be ashamed for saying this.

 

[GoodMan32]

I hope you understand way this comment is highly inappropriate. Imagine being a loved one of one of those victims and hearing incels say this out loud. It's basically a threat.

You put the blame on individual women that have the freedom of choice to NOT want him. Women are not one entity like "a government ". Every woman is an individual being.

For all we know that maniac would chill the feck down on a Friday, have some ballz and be social with people and women and find a nice "gall". Or he would've swiped right on a Bleu Sunday and matched a cutie.

The fact that you justify this tells me all I need to know about you( may there have been aby hope for you). You should be ashamed for saying this.

I'm in no way saying what Elliott and Timothy did was good, nor am I saying I'd do what they did.

Nor am I saying a woman who didn't want to be with Elliott or Timothy should have been forced to.

Here's what I'm saying: With their looks, I guaran-fvcking-tee there were gals who wanted to be with Elliott and Timothy, yet never made a move because it's not as socially acceptable for a woman to make the first move (As for your suggestion that Elliott and Timothy should have made more moves: some men aren't cut out to make the first move)

You can acknowledge the fact their rampages were bad while simultaneously acknowledging the fact they might have never descended into plotting a rampage if they had better luck with the ladies.

I don't call for rampages. What I call for is a society where the woman makes the first move more often. Elliott and Timothy would have had decent luck in such a society.

It's interesting how feminists sympathize with criminals if they can blame poverty or racism for why the criminal did the crime, yet feminists have no sympathy whatsoever when inceldom drives a man to commit a crime.

 

[Plinco]

A lot of mass killings, even ones that weren't specifically motivated by inceldom (like Elliott Rodger), have been carried out by men who get little to no sex.

Jordan Peterson is onto something when he says society would be more stable if we returned to the days when just about every man got a woman.

1.) Nobody is entitled to anything

2.) Relationships are an addition to your life, not a necessity.

Elliott Rodger had a whole bunch of mental issues. The lack of sex is not the problem, it's a merely symptom.

 

[GoodMan32]

1.) Nobody is entitled to anything

2.) Relationships are an addition to your life, not a necessity.

Elliott Rodger had a whole bunch of mental issues. The lack of sex is not the problem, it's a merely symptom.

A major pet peeve of mine is when men get accused of feeling "entitled" simply because we vent about bad luck with the ladies.

Wanting success with the ladies (and being upset at our lack of success) doesn't mean we feel entitled; all it means is we're angry.

In my experience, it's typically feminists who (falsely) smear us as "entitled." It's pretty alarming multiple men on this forum have also called us entitled. I'd expect men to know better than to throw false "entitlement" accusations at fellow men.

Next, to address your comment about relationships being an addition; not a necessity: What you're saying is technically true. A lifetime without relationships or sex is a miserable way to live, however. Would you be willing to live like that? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. So you're really in no position to criticize incels for being angry about having to live like that. You'd be angry too if you were in their position.

Lastly, to address your comment about Elliott Rodger having all sorts of mental issues: You're 100% correct.

With how much I have in common with Elliott Rodger, I can relate to him on a level the vast majority of posters on this forum are unable to.

Elliott Rodger:

• mentally ill autist
• got bullied growing up for being small and socially awkward
• wealthy parents
• good looks, yet a crippling social phobia that held him back with the ladies

All of those points describe me too.

I can tell you something: Being a teen/early 20-something male autist is miserable. You're full of hormones, yet have a hard time finding a woman to exercise those hormones on. And Elliott Rodger had it even worse than me. He was a virgin who had never been on a date or kissed anyone. I at least had sex, got kissed, and went on dates by the time I was 22 (the age Elliott Rodger died at).

The pure misery of being a teen/early 20-something male autist takes a massive toll on your mental health (I would know). As a result, an already mentally ill Elliott Rodger became even more mentally ill.

In a hypothetical society where a woman making a move on a guy were more socially acceptable, I stand by what I said about how Elliott Rodger would have gotten opportunities. Looks weren't his problem; the inability to approach a woman was his problem. Yeah, he had the mental illness too (which undoubtedly would have turned off some gals, even if they found him physically attractive). That being said, there would have been some gals willing to overlook his mental illness.

Plus, as an added bonus, if he had better luck with the ladies in the first place, his mental health wouldn't have deteriorated to the degree it did.

 

[Plinco]

Lastly, to address your comment about Elliott Rodger having all sorts of mental issues: You're 100% correct.

With how much I have in common with Elliott Rodger, I can relate to him on a level the vast majority of posters on this forum are unable to.

Elliott Rodger:

• mentally ill autist
• got bullied growing up for being small and socially awkward
• wealthy parents
• good looks, yet a crippling social phobia that held him back with the ladies

All of those points describe me too.

I can tell you something: Being a teen/early 20-something male autist is miserable. You're full of hormones, yet have a hard time finding a woman to exercise those hormones on. And Elliott Rodger had it even worse than me. He was a virgin who had never been on a date or kissed anyone. I at least had sex, got kissed, and went on dates by the time I was 22 (the age Elliott Rodger died at).

I appreciate your honesty. This shows you have a grounding to reality that some posters on here lack.

A major pet peeve of mine is when men get accused of feeling "entitled" simply because we vent about bad luck with the ladies.

Wanting success with the ladies (and being upset at our lack of success) doesn't mean we feel entitled; all it means is we're angry.

Next, to address your comment about relationships being an addition; not a necessity: What you're saying is technically true. A lifetime without relationships or sex is a miserable way to live, however. Would you be willing to live like that? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. So you're really in no position to criticize incels for being angry about having to live like that. You'd be angry too if you were in their position.

If I were angry, I would have no one to blame but myself. As an adult, you are 100% responsible for your own welfare. If you want to be loved, you have to earn it. Granted, I understand that's a hard thing to do. Unfortunately, many men use sex as a means of silencing their mental problems and women for transactional reasons.

In my experience, it's typically feminists who (falsely) smear us as "entitled." It's pretty alarming multiple men on this forum have also called us entitled. I'd expect men to know better than to throw false "entitlement" accusations at fellow men.

Feminism is an advocacy for female supremacy. You can almost count on every feminist being inconsistent and contradictory with their ideas. For example, a feminist accuses Elliot Rodger of feeling entitled (correct) while being entitled to receive government welfare to raise her illegitimate children (incorrect).

 

[GoodMan32]

I appreciate your honesty. This shows you have a grounding to reality that some posters on here lack.



If I were angry, I would have no one to blame but myself. As an adult, you are 100% responsible for your own welfare. If you want to be loved, you have to earn it. Granted, I understand that's a hard thing to do. Unfortunately, many men use sex as a means of silencing their mental problems and women for transactional reasons.



Feminism is an advocacy for female supremacy. You can almost count on every feminist being inconsistent and contradictory with their ideas. For example, a feminist accuses Elliot Rodger of feeling entitled (correct) while being entitled to receive government welfare to raise her illegitimate children (incorrect).

"If you want to be loved, you have to earn it"

^ That wasn't the problem with Elliott Rodger. Again, I guarantee there were girls at his college who were into him (with how good his looks were). His problem was the fact we live in a society where the guy is expected to make the first move (and Elliott Rodger had a condition, ASD, where he had a hard time making the first move...for reasons beyond his control)

As @H8CourtshipWithAPassion has pointed out before, the problem us autistic men face goes beyond merely being nervous/awkward when pursuing a woman. We could even end up facing legal charges for unknowingly doing something "creepy" when pursuing a woman (and it's easy for an autist to unknowingly do something "creepy")

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on whether Elliott Rodger felt entitled. The fact there were ugly dudes at his college getting girls, yet his good-looking self was a virgin at 22, really sounds like (to quote Elliott Rodger) an injustice.

I wouldn't call being angry at an injustice "entitlement"

 

[eli77]

Sports would have been a beneficial outlet as well along with talking to someone who has been through it!