It’s 2025, I’m going through a I hate women phase. I have to vent here.

[DreamAgain]

@cola I share many of your sentiments.

I have recently went on at least a dozen dates with various women, wasted time and money for drinks obviously, and just gave up going for the smash in the end because I knew none of these were long term material. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

My best advice would be if you notice active social media usage from any new prospects, just immediately drop them.

 

[New_Journey]

This is a safe place to vent right? Like I feel like most guys here get it..

Guys idk where to begin, like I can’t talk to anyone about this in daily life but I literally hate women. I got to get this **** off my chest it’s been on my mind for a while ..


They are not equal to men:
I hate that they feel like they are in any way equal to men. Why do we have women police on officers?
I’m 6,1 240 lbs with 20 years of weight lifting under my belt, there isn’t a woman that could subdue me on earth without use of lethal force.

If I was a cop I’d be so pissed to be assigned a woman partner, she would literally be a liability in a 2 on 2 situation.
The point is, we allow women to have jobs and careers they biologically aren’t suited for just because “everything has to be equal”

They have contributed almost nothing to modern society as far as infrastructure, technology and yet we have to parade around society like they are somehow equal to a man.

Now, the trend is they want full time jobs but don’t want to pay an equal share of household bills:

The new trend on TikTok and Instagram is women don’t want “50/50 men” .. women are literally saying out loud they want to work full time jobs, but don’t want to contribute an equal share to the house hold.. What’s even crazier to me is this **** is happening in the midst of some of the hardest economic times any of us have seen in our life time.
What type of selfish sack of **** would work full time and bank all their money and watch their man scramble to come up with all the bill money? Women will literally watch you work yourself to the brink of death all to brag to their friends that their man pays all the bills. It’s ridiculous, you would have to be masochist to even consider a long term relationship with any of these women.

Im so tired of the “men so scary, they will rape me narrative”

Can men be a little douchey with women? Yes, we have all seen the guys at bars drunk be a little too aggressive with women and say some out of pocket things but let’s be real 99% of men wouldn’t consider raping or sexually assaulting a woman. Now its like if I stand too close to a woman she is acting like I’m some type of monster or stalker or something … it’s like men have to go out of their way to prove to women they aren’t gonna kidnap them or something like give me a break, which leads me to:

They walk around half naked, but I’m a creep for looking:

Idk how many of you guys are still in the club or bar scene but the trend this summer was women literally wearing lingerie as club outfits.

but somehow, you aren’t suppose to judge them on this slutty display.. Where are standards or morals? How could you even expect a man to respect that? Want to wife that? It’s just disgusting..

If you have any boundaries what so ever you’re controlling:

I was recently dating a girl exclusively who had some childhood male friends who wanted to come visit her. She insisted that they spend the night at her place instead of “wasting money at the hotel”.. due to work obligations I would not be present.
I told her this would be the end of our exclusivity. You aren’t going to have men stay at your place a weekend and I’m not around ..

Well her and her friends decided I’m “controlling and insecure” I blocked her.
They throw around that “controlling & insecure” **** at anything you do that shows you have balls.

It’s to the point guys I don’t even want anything to do with women, they literally disgust me and we need a major shift or society is going to continue to get worse in regards to male female relations


that’s all.. just a rant I have to make online because if you say it out loud “you’re sexist” and bla bla bla.. I’m sure I’ll meet someone and it will pass but this is where my mind is right now

When did you realize all of that?

 

[cola]

When did you realize all of that?

It’s really been weighting on me since the new year..

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Some assume incels hate women. Perhaps some do. But, the ones I know, and I know a few, have never expressed such thoughts.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Workplace dating bans/stigma are another thing that runs contrary to human nature.

A man spends 40+ hours a week at work. When you subtract time for sleeping, getting ready for work, commuting, and evening relaxation, a man has little to no time for meeting a woman outside of work.

It's human nature a man will take a liking to certain female coworkers. In some cases, the feeling might even be mutual. Yet expressing interest in a female coworker is stigmatized at best (and could lead to a firing, possibly even lawsuit, at worst)

The fact what used to be one of the top methods to find a woman (work) is basically not an option anymore is one reason for the rise in sexlessness/datelessness among young men.

I think work is still a great place for meeting women.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In that case, sounds like I'm missing out. What a shame I don't know how to deal with the ladies.



You saw my outfit and chest/stomach.

You don't know what I look like facially. The general consensus of most online looks raters I've used is that I'm above average.

My profile picture on here shows my bicep. I have a decent amount of bicep for a man as skinny as me.

It seems like you expect women to initiate. But ‘Above Average’ isn’t enough to get them to make a move. ‘ Above Average’ is a 6/10. Realistically 8/10 is where she’ll initiate.

You are going to have to make the move.

 

[needimprovement250]

It seems like you expect women to initiate. But ‘Above Average’ isn’t enough to get them to make a move. ‘ Above Average’ is a 6/10. Realistically 8/10 is where she’ll initiate.

You are going to have to make the move.

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

 

[GoodMan32]

It seems like you expect women to initiate. But ‘Above Average’ isn’t enough to get them to make a move. ‘ Above Average’ is a 6/10. Realistically 8/10 is where she’ll initiate.

You are going to have to make the move.

My problem is the fact that, unless I can look into a crystal ball that tells me she'll definitely say yeah, I refuse to make a move on a woman I'm going to cross paths with again.

As for looks, I'd say I'm a 6 and a half on average. Some gals rate me as 8 or above, however.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

My problem is the fact that, unless I can look into a crystal ball that tells me she'll definitely say yeah, I refuse to make a move on a woman I'm going to cross paths with again.

As for looks, I'd say I'm a 6 and a half on average. Some gals rate me as 8 or above, however.

Hit on women who are unlikely to cross your path again.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

3 women in ten years is really just statistical noise.
Obviously it depends on how often you are out & about and if there are women around. But. Consider once a month (again adjusting for your exposure) to be significant. IMHO.
If 3 women approached. You’re probably 6/10. Assuming you didn’t pull them in with Game/personality…

 

[GoodMan32]

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

I myself have only had a few gals initiate.

WheatWaffles is a joke. I paid for one of his looks ratings+analysis (luckily I'm only out $15)

He rated me a 4/10 (which contradicts the general consensus on most online looks raters I've used)

His analysis was also full of sh1t.

 

[GoodMan32]

Hit on women who are unlikely to cross your path again.

I have a thread about how I went through a phase at 23 where I used to ask total strangers in public for sex. I got declined every single time.

Even if I were to come on less strong, I'd still run into the following problem: Statistically, you're more likely to succeed with a woman who already knows you. Yet if you already know each other, you're obviously going to cross paths again (which means asking her out isn't an option for me)

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I have a thread about how I went through a phase at 23 where I used to ask total strangers in public for sex. I got declined every single time.

Even if I were to come on less strong, I'd still run into the following problem: Statistically, you're more likely to succeed with a woman who already knows you. Yet if you already know each other, you're obviously going to cross paths again (which means asking her out isn't an option for me)

Quite the conundrum.

 

[needimprovement250]

3 women in ten years is really just statistical noise.
Obviously it depends on how often you are out & about and if there are women around. But. Consider once a month (again adjusting for your exposure) to be significant. IMHO.
If 3 women approached. You’re probably 6/10. Assuming you didn’t pull them in with Game/personality…

There are never women around me. I haven’t met any women at all in several years. I’m out and about pretty often, but there’s never any women around when I am. I didn’t do anything at all to pull them in, all 3 came onto me. It would be interesting what the statistics would be if my exposure to women was more frequent.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

There are never women around me. I haven’t met any women at all in several years. I’m out and about pretty often, but there’s never any women around when I am. I didn’t do anything at all to pull them in, all 3 came onto me. It would be interesting what the statistics would be if my exposure to women was more frequent.

Exposure makes a huge difference.

 

[plumber]

I’ve had 3 women initiate with me. The first one is how I lost my virginity at 21. I didn’t go out with the other 2. What you said here makes me wonder how I’m perceived by women when it comes to looks because as a guy who has very little experience with women at 31, questioning your looks is a natural reaction to being in this situation. But I do remember WheatWaffles saying that you have to be at least chadlite in terms of looks to get women to initiate.

Another time women will initiate is when your in a group and demonstrating leadership that the others are deferring to respectfully. In this case do not need to be chadlite in looks, only chadlite in behavior. How to do it is become good at something that others admire.

 

[needimprovement250]

Another time women will initiate is when your in a group and demonstrating leadership that the others are deferring to respectfully. In this case do not need to be chadlite in looks, only chadlite in behavior. How to do it is become good at something that others admire.

That’s true. None of these 3 instances was because of me demonstrating leadership, but I can see how that can lead to women initiating if you do find yourself in that scenario since you’re taking control and asserting some dominance to lead others.

 

[needimprovement250]

I myself have only had a few gals initiate.

WheatWaffles is a joke. I paid for one of his looks ratings+analysis (luckily I'm only out $15)

He rated me a 4/10 (which contradicts the general consensus on most online looks raters I've used)

His analysis was also full of sh1t.

That’s good you had that too because them initiating can be rare.

He probably rates guys low on purpose to blackpill them if you got higher ratings everywhere else. He is pretty much an incel content creator, and incels complain about their looks more than anything else, so he probably does sh*t like that to reinforce the incel ideology.

 

[GoodMan32]

There are never women around me. I haven’t met any women at all in several years. I’m out and about pretty often, but there’s never any women around when I am. I didn’t do anything at all to pull them in, all 3 came onto me. It would be interesting what the statistics would be if my exposure to women was more frequent.

Living in a big city (and riding public transportation to work), I cross paths with many a woman.

I crossed paths with even more gals when I worked in stores.

Yet I've still had bad luck. 2 dates (and only one instance of free sex) in the past 9 years.

 

[GoodMan32]

That’s good you had that too because them initiating can be rare.

He probably rates guys low on purpose to blackpill them if you got higher ratings everywhere else. He is pretty much an incel content creator, and incels complain about their looks more than anything else, so he probably does sh*t like that to reinforce the incel ideology.

It's good I had some initiate, yeah.

As another poster said in response to you, however, having a woman initiate at the low levels we've had is nothing but statistical noise.

Wheat Waffles tried to get me to pay extra for a plan of what I could do better. I declined. He's a con artist. He probably purposely lowballs a man's looks score so the man will pay extra for the add on.