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[BPH]

If you set out purely for a ONS then I guess you got the job done

But from what you've wrote it doesn't sound like this chick is exactly swimming in quality

35 / Flakey / Promiscuous career / Fake B00Bs / House sharing / Dating apps

This doesn't really paint a picture of a woman you would be wanting to introduce to freinds or family which is likely why she's still on the shelf at 35

Again if you set out for a one night hook up then you got what you wanted , but where do you go from here ?

At 35 this chick is really too old in the tooth for casual hookup's , and her career is a naturally flakey / promiscuous one

It just feels like it was a lot of work for a ONS , you could have had the same result on a generic night out and probably saved a lot of the nonsense building up to it

I do what I do because I like variety, the fact that I have a high notch is simply a byproduct of that.

If I wanted to get low-effort sex for free I could hit up my consistent FWB or either of the other girls I've been seeing when I want to mix it up and bit and maintain them.

But I like experiencing new women; they kiss differently, they f*** differently, and their bodies respond differently (some squirt, some scream, some scratch, some bite, etc), and I enjoy the novelty of that with attractive women. For this reason, I'm perfectly willing to travel a bit, pay a bit, and spend a bit of my time with someone new.

I understand what you mean though. It didn't feel like a lot of work, maybe that's how it sounds when I try to recount so many details. My only real complaints were the 1-hour drive each way to see her, and the fact that we didn't get to sleep until 7 AM because despite being in her apartment alone at night she still had to decide whether she knew me well enough to f*** me.

As for where to go from here, that ball is kinda in her court. I'd be fine either way. I'm not looking for a serious relationship; I can't afford one, don't want to base my decisions around somebody else, and have to worry about moving out and creating a better financial situation for myself - I don't need the added responsibilities of juggling somebody else's happiness alongside my own. If she's not looking for a casual hookup relationship either, that's fine too - I have other girls to scratch that itch. But I certainly wouldn't mind having somebody I could visit when/if I'm up in Philadelphia.

As for being able to get a similar result from a generic night out close by, not really. I live in suburban Wilmington where there are only 2 main areas people go to; the college bars or Trolley Square. The former I feel like I've outgrown...when women who were otherwise hot went cold right in front of my eyes after I answered the "How old are you?" question it made me feel like I might be fishing in the wrong waters. The latter I almost never enjoy; there are almost never any hot girls out there - it's always a bunch of guys and maybe 1 or 2 passable women. I've slept with 2 women that I met while out there, and neither was particularly noteworthy. In both instances, I was looking to get over a dry spell and didn't aim as high as I usually do. Anywhere else more fun requires a 40-60 minute drive, which I'm not willing to make after having a couple of drinks in my system.

 

[SW15]

If I wanted to get low-effort sex for free I could hit up my consistent FWB or either of the other girls I've been seeing when I want to mix it up and bit and maintain them.

I am a strong Pleasure of Sex man so I find doing this appealing. It's likely low

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35 / Flakey / Promiscuous career / Fake B00Bs / House sharing / Dating apps

This doesn't really paint a picture of a woman you would be wanting to introduce to freinds or family which is likely why she's still on the shelf at 35

Again if you set out for a one night hook up then you got what you wanted , but where do you go from here ?

At 35 this chick is really too old in the tooth for casual hookup's , and her career is a naturally flakey / promiscuous one

It's tough to have an exclusive LTR with a flight attendant given that they are gone a lot of time. Many men aren't going to like that their woman would be at work during their leisure time.

I'm early 40s so 35 and nice breast implants sounds good to me. That's more of a casual sex thing than a longer term relationship thing.

It just feels like it was a lot of work for a ONS , you could have had the same result on a generic night out and probably saved a lot of the nonsense building up to it

As for being able to get a similar result from a generic night out close by, not really. I live in suburban Wilmington where there are only 2 main areas people go to; the college bars or Trolley Square. The former I feel like I've outgrown...when women who were otherwise hot went cold right in front of my eyes after I answered the "How old are you?" question it made me feel like I might be fishing in the wrong waters. The latter I almost never enjoy; there are almost never any hot girls out there - it's always a bunch of guys and maybe 1 or 2 passable women. I've slept with 2 women that I met while out there, and neither was particularly noteworthy. In both instances, I was looking to get over a dry spell and didn't aim as high as I usually do. Anywhere else more fun requires a 40-60 minute drive, which I'm not willing to make after having a couple of drinks in my system.

@Bingo-Player 's statement would be true if @BPH didn't live in Wilmington, DE. If @BPH lived in a major American city, then going out to a bar and seeking same night sex from an in-person approach would make more sense.

Wilmington is a mid-sized city and is limiting. Population wise, it looks decent with New Castle County having 570,000 residents but it sits in Philadelphia's shadow as it is only 35 miles from Philadelphia. The single crowd in that region is more likely to be in Philadelphia.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Your whole comment is made to minimize a successful night with your opinions on what this woman is doing wrong, rather than what I did right.

Why?

To restate pikeman's point in less antagonistic terms, it appears that the object of your pursuit was DTF from the get-go, with her protestations about not feeling well being part of the game that women routinely play in situations like this (commonly known as "let's pretend I'm not a slut"). So your success may have had as much to do with her being a low-hanging fruit as it did with any seduction excellence on your part. That's not to say that you did anything wrong. Some inexperienced guys would've shot themselves in the foot and screwed it up.

Ay the end of the day, you are a good-looking young guy and she's a slutty 35-year-old who's new to the city. Don't act like you're a mobility scooter-using pensioner who's managed to seduce a 20-year-old waitress at a local all-you-can-eat buffet.

 

[BPH]

To restate pikeman's point in less antagonistic terms, it appears that the object of your pursuit was DTF from the get-go, with her protestations about not feeling well being part of the game that women routinely play in situations like this (commonly known as "let's pretend I'm not a slut"). So your success may have had as much to do with her being a low-hanging fruit as it did with any seduction excellence on your part. That's not to say that you did anything wrong. Some inexperienced guys would've shot themselves in the foot and screwed it up.

Ay the end of the day, you are a good-looking young guy and she's a slutty 35-year-old who's new to the city. Don't act like you're a mobility scooter-using pensioner who's managed to seduce a 20-year-old waitress at a local all-you-can-eat buffet.

The post is meant to be more educational than braggadocios.

Some will assume the girl is trashy and must be a slut for sleeping with me on a first date, disregarding everything else.

Others will see where they might've stopped short in the same situation, and learned how they can keep moving forward by reading how I managed to do so.

Different people will take away different things.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Sounds like a former slut in a good girl phase. Persistance pays OP but as others have said this is work. A flight attendant with fake boobs who is flaking, speed-bumping slow-moving kisses, making peeps wait until 7am to phuck after she has pizza breath isn't anything out of a porno, nor is this chick any kind of relationship material given her lukewarm interest.

Kudos for making a hardcase, for what it's worth.

Maybe this is where health and fitness comes into play, as you have the energy level to deal with these things.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I understand what you mean though. It didn't feel like a lot of work, maybe that's how it sounds when I try to recount so many details. My only real complaints were the 1-hour drive each way to see her, and the fact that we didn't get to sleep until 7 AM because despite being in her apartment alone at night she still had to decide whether she knew me well enough to f*** me.

Well if you apply a time cost to it there's around 9 hours work between driving to meet this woman and getting her comfortable enough to take the pipe

This is a woman that sounds like she has likely put out A LOT faster in her younger years

She knew sex was on the second she invited you back to her place drunk ... why it then took until the early hours of the morning and a pizza to get the deed done is anyones guess...

Like I said this chick is really too old to be indulging in these sort of pointless flings ( which I'm guessing she already knows ) she's in last chance saloon for kids and the provider type partner,

Which from what you say you are very much not going to fit that criteria

It sounds like you've just gone for a hookup which is fine but again I don't really see this going any further so only you know if it was worth that 9-10 hours of your time

 

[BPH]

Sounds like a former slut in a good girl phase. Persistance pays OP but as others have said this is work. A flight attendant with fake boobs who is flaking, speed-bumping slow-moving kisses, making peeps wait until 7am to phuck after she has pizza breath isn't anything out of a porno, nor is this chick any kind of relationship material given her lukewarm interest.

Kudos for making a hardcase, for what it's worth.

Maybe this is where health and fitness comes into play, as you have the energy level to deal with these things.

She might be, but I get around a lot so I'd feel like a hypocrite if I thought less of a woman because she was also promiscuous.

I wear protection and don't enter into situations where I'd be worried about whether my girl is "clean".

If I were looking for a relationship or something more serious I'd have different standards in place. Right now I'm just enjoying casual sex with new women before cuffing season fully sets in.

And for what it's worth, she brushed her teeth after the pizza.

Well if you apply a time cost to it there's around 9 hours work between driving to meet this woman and getting her comfortable enough to take the pipe

This is a woman that sounds like she has likely put out A LOT faster in her younger years

She knew sex was on the second she invited you back to her place drunk ... why it then took until the early hours of the morning and a pizza to get the deed done is anyones guess...

Like I said this chick is really too old to be indulging in these sort of pointless flings ( which I'm guessing she already knows ) she's in last chance saloon for kids and the provider type partner,

Which from what you say you are very much not going to fit that criteria

It sounds like you've just gone for a hookup which is fine but again I don't really see this going any further so only you know if it was worth that 9-10 hours of your time

It doesn't have to go any further, anything more is a bonus.

Best case scenario I have a new FWB that I can visit every so often when/if I go out in Philly and don't come away with someone I meet that night. Worst case scenario I spent some time and money to bed an attractive fake-ti**ed 35-year-old twice over while being treated to pizza and wine.

As for why it took so long to get to that point; according to her she was self-conscious, had a headache because she said she hadn't eaten, and didn't feel like she knew me well enough. How much truth there is to that, I'll never know, but she vocalized her nervousness and the conscious decision she was making to get a buzz going so she could loosen up. She's been very responsive over text following all this, so I'd say she's content with the outcome of that decision.

I understand the time cost might've turned some off, but like I said, I enjoy the novelty. I didn't have anything else going on that night and tossed out that text with the assumption I would either not hear back or would get a "no".

This post just shows how sometimes you can make something out of nothing if you know what you're doing.

 

[SW15]

Based on the thread below that makes reference to this thread, it was predictable that you would lose interest in her. How many total times did you have sex with her?

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It's tough to have an exclusive LTR with a flight attendant given that they are gone a lot of time. Many men aren't going to like that their woman would be at work during their leisure time.

How much of a factor was this in why you lost interest? I would imagine that scheduling with her would have been very difficult. Guys might put up with that one or two times but dealing with that longer term would be annoying.

What caused you to lose interest more: her job or the fact she was roughly 5 years older than you?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I mean nice work getting the lay but there is no way I would be staying up all night long and wasting a Saturday sleeping all day to get laid...

 

[SW15]

staying up all night long and wasting a Saturday sleeping all day to get laid...

Men who pursue same night sex at bars are accustomed to having first time sex in the early hours of the morning.

The guy I know locally with the highest notch count (a triple digit one) would often have first time sex with a woman between 1 AM and 3:30 AM early Saturday or Sunday mornings.

Having first time sex with a woman between 1 AM - 3:30 AM with alcohol in your system and some level of fatigue will impact quality of sex.

My friend did not get many repeats off of his same night bar sex.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Men who pursue same night sex at bars are accustomed to having first time sex in the early hours of the morning.

The guy I know locally with the highest notch count (a triple digit one) would often have first time sex with a woman between 1 AM and 3:30 AM early Saturday or Sunday mornings.

Having first time sex with a woman between 1 AM - 3:30 AM with alcohol in your system and some level of fatigue will impact quality of sex.

My friend did not get many repeats off of his same night bar sex.

I'd rather wait til I am not tired and don't have alcohol in my system to stunt my abilities.

Alcohol and performing your best don't go together.

 

[BPH]

Based on the thread below that makes reference to this thread, it was predictable that you would lose interest in her. How many total times did you have sex with her?

College Bars and Age Gaps

I've asked about this before and I'm at the point where I want some more feedback. Lately my plates have fallen off or been knocked out of commission; one just had spinal fusion for a herniated disc, another is going through grief with her cat dying of cancer, another found a simp during...

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How much of a factor was this in why you lost interest? I would imagine that scheduling with her would have been very difficult. Guys might put up with that one or two times but dealing with that longer term would be annoying.

What caused you to lose interest more: her job or the fact she was roughly 5 years older than you?

4 times, twice each time I saw her.

I lost interest because I didn't feel she put much effort into presenting herself well. The first night she was late despite being right down the street from the bar I picked out, and when she showed up she wasn't particularly done-up; she didn't look bad but she didn't put much effort into looking nice to meet me. The second night it was really cold so she was down with the idea of staying in at her place and watching some movies over a bottle. To her, "comfy" meant "bumming it" so she hadn't put on makeup or done her hair and was wearing leggings and a hoodie.

Couple that with the fact that the sex itself wasn't anything special, that she lives an hour away, and that she gave me an attitude when I hit her up late on New Year's, because she wanted to be properly courted and taken out on a date, and I just wasn't finding the effort to be worth the reward.

 

[Chow Mein]

Based on the thread below that makes reference to this thread, it was predictable that you would lose interest in her. How many total times did you have sex with her?

College Bars and Age Gaps

I've asked about this before and I'm at the point where I want some more feedback. Lately my plates have fallen off or been knocked out of commission; one just had spinal fusion for a herniated disc, another is going through grief with her cat dying of cancer, another found a simp during...

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How much of a factor was this in why you lost interest? I would imagine that scheduling with her would have been very difficult. Guys might put up with that one or two times but dealing with that longer term would be annoying.

What caused you to lose interest more: her job or the fact she was roughly 5 years older than you?

Reviving a thread about a random lay, come on now.

 

[SW15]

4 times, twice each time I saw her.

2 instances of sex isn't much. You did put in a lot of effort to get 2 instances of sex.

The fundamentals were not there for an extended relationship in general. Most 30 year old men are not going to be interested in longer term relationships with 35 year old women. A shorter term casual sex interaction with more than 2 instances of sex could be possible.

I lost interest because I didn't feel she put much effort into presenting herself well. The first night she was late despite being right down the street from the bar I picked out, and when she showed up she wasn't particularly done-up; she didn't look bad but she didn't put much effort into looking nice to meet me. The second night it was really cold so she was down with the idea of staying in at her place and watching some movies over a bottle. To her, "comfy" meant "bumming it" so she hadn't put on makeup or done her hair and was wearing leggings and a hoodie.

What she did in the second instance of sex was girlfriend type behavior after multiple months. That's not a good idea in the early stages.

Couple that with the fact that the sex itself wasn't anything special, that she lives an hour away, and that she gave me an attitude when I hit her up late on New Year's, because she wanted to be properly courted and taken out on a date, and I just wasn't finding the effort to be worth the reward.

She could not ask to be courted when she put out for the first date. She lost that leverage. Also a woman who wants to be properly courted isn't going to schedule an 11 PM date on a Friday/Saturday night. It's a bad mixed signal.

Her behavior throughout the interaction was very scattered. That's a combination of having a low interest and a subpar personality. She did some last minute flaking prior to the first in-person get together.

I think she liked your overall physique but didn't like how far you lived from her and some other factors. The strength of your looks and your emotional centeredness in reacting to her shiit tests enabled you to get sex.

Her best asset is her shapely breasts that were surgically enhanced.

Her attitude and low effort are not impressive. I wonder why she gave such low effort for a 6'0" guy with a good physique. Perhaps she is so accustomed to being with men at that level from use of dating apps.

The sex itself likely wasn't that special due to her lack of effort in general. Her breasts can only carry her so far.

I'd rather wait til I am not tired and don't have alcohol in my system to stunt my abilities.

Alcohol and performing your best don't go together.

This is a common issue for a lot of men, regardless of their goals of short term/same night sex or even longer term relationships.

Bar approachers seeking same night sex are often having same night sex late into nights. This is difficult for day shift type workers to do. It might be a little easier for a day shift type worker who takes a long nap on Saturday afternoon in preparation for a late night approaching session on Saturday night. A Mon-Fri day shift worker cannot nap during the day on Thursday/Friday to prepare for going out that night in a lot of cases. Some work at home people might be able to pull off being away from work for 2 hours for a good nap, but even that's challenging for work at home people.

It's more typical for a worker to work during the day and then be setting up first dates via online dating for weeknights around 7-8 PM. That means around 9-10 PM is when first date sex might be a possibility. The combination of drinks and being up since 6-7 AM isn't great at 9-10 PM. That's somewhat later even if totally sober if one's been awake that long.

In a way, it can be arguable in an extended relationship type frame to postpone sex until something like a 2nd-4th date to get sex at a more favorable time of day.

 

[BPH]

Reviving a thread about a random lay, come on now.

I think he dug it up because I mentioned no longer seeing her in my thread about college bars.

While I agree and don't like seeing revived threads, let's not act like jhonny doesn't do this literally all the time...

 

[SW15]

I think he dug it up because I mentioned no longer seeing her in my thread about college bars.

Yes, it became relevant because it was mentioned in a post you started this week. It was good to get some updated details here and complete the story on this bang.

As a seducer, your game was mostly on-point in this situation. You got laid. It could have been a slightly longer situationship if she had a better attitude. It is unfortunate that her attitude was not where it needed to be.