Never make it too straight forward for her

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Everything written in this thread is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Yet another clueless indirect guy who spouts his miscommunications and misunderstandings about direct. It's idiotic guys and threads like this that spread misinformation and send guys down the wrong path.

I've been in this game for nearly 23 years and tried it all ...indirect and direct. My conclusion is that direct approach is FAR SUPERIOR, FAR MORE EFFECTIVE and gets BETTER RESULTS than indirect. It literally blows indirect out of the water. I spent my first 5 years in this game being indirect before switching to direct in 2007. I'd never go back to indirect, it's a total waste of time.

Everything you talk about in your post is just unnecessary subterfuge that will cause you to waste too much time, money and energy pursuing women, as well as leave the door open for manipulative women to play you.

And btw, a girl doesn't ghost you because you were 'too straightforward'. Nope. She ghosted you because SHE WASN'T INTERESTED. Being straightforward just revealed her lack of interest faster.

You indirect guys crack me up. What indirect guys essentially do is try to get laid by pretending they're not trying to get laid. Stupid!

Indirect guys have everything backwards when it comes to women. Their whole model of seduction is totally wrong.

You also over-complicate everything when it comes to women.....but this stuff isn't that complicated really, you just need to be direct, honest and upfront with women instead of doing all that indirect nonsense.

Indirect is for guys who don't have the balls to be direct. End of story. Or to quote the late, great Alan Roger Currie: 'There's no such thing as an indirect alpha male'.So true!

So ignore the advice in this thread (except for mine). Just be direct. Direct approach is the best way to navigate the dating market in 2024, cut through the bull**** and get the results. End of.

Facts.

And there is also no such thing as an Alpha Male who don't cold approach.

If you have reservations about stepping to a woman you find attractive, then you ain't no Alpha!!

Cold Approach is what makes you an Alpha.

Mode One is what makes you an Apex.

 

[SW15]

there is also no such thing as an Alpha Male who don't cold approach.

Some men don't need to approach strangers to get sex from multiple women.

The 'Chad Thundercock', top tier men who are 6'0"+ with six pack abs and decent muscle mass do not need to approach women.

These men can get women with strong swipe app profiles. In fact, swipe apps are hyper efficient for that tier of man. That man can get more action off of swipe apps than doing in-person approaches (either in bars or non-bar venues) or from social circles.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Some men don't need to approach strangers to get sex from multiple women.

The 'Chad Thundercock', top tier men who are 6'0"+ with six pack abs and decent muscle mass do not need to approach women.

These men can get women with strong swipe app profiles. In fact, swipe apps are hyper efficient for that tier of man. That man can get more action off of swipe apps than doing in-person approaches (either in bars or non-bar venues) or from social circles.

I get that..but what are you saying?

If the guy is 6'0+, with noticable abs and muscle mass, that, despite his success on swipe apps, that this OLD success would/should deter him from cold approaching...should he see an attractive woman at the grocery store?

 

[SW15]

what are you saying?

If the guy is 6'0+, with noticable abs and muscle mass, that, despite his success on swipe apps, that this OLD success would/should deter him from cold approaching...should he see an attractive woman at the grocery store?

If a 6'0"+ fit/muscular guy is getting a lot of options out of his swipe app presence, he's going to be less motivated to approach in-person. He might not be in the market for new options because of his abundance from the swipe apps.

Tall, fit guys can do well with in-person approach, but the apps give them a hyper efficiency that they aren't able to duplicate on real life methods alone.

Most men won't have that problem. Most men (even if reasonably good looking) will still to do approaches in real life. They can't get the hyper efficiency from swipe apps that the top tier men can get. Social circle game is the option for them to get a girlfriend with the least frustration and grief. If a mid-tier man lacks social circle options, then approaching strangers in real life is likely the better play for him than swipe apps.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I get that..but what are you saying?

If the guy is 6'0+, with noticable abs and muscle mass, that, despite his success on swipe apps, that this OLD success would/should deter him from cold approaching...should he see an attractive woman at the grocery store?

You don’t need to be 6’. nor do you need abs & muscle. All you need is Face.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Some men don't need to approach strangers to get sex from multiple women.

The 'Chad Thundercock', top tier men who are 6'0"+ with six pack abs and decent muscle mass do not need to approach women.

These men can get women with strong swipe app profiles. In fact, swipe apps are hyper efficient for that tier of man. That man can get more action off of swipe apps than doing in-person approaches (either in bars or non-bar venues) or from social circles.

An attractive person does not have a Compartmentalized Life. That is, They don’t have to choose one way of meeting someone. Life is seamless. There is no ‘Approach.’ as a discrete activity per se. Things just happen.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

If a 6'0"+ fit/muscular guy is getting a lot of options out of his swipe app presence, he's going to be less motivated to approach in-person. He might not be in the market for new options because of his abundance from the swipe apps.

I hear you.

But if the guy is that good looking and he has a hypothetical 50% smash rate on swipe apps, he should be able to achieve at least 25-30% on cold approach.

His looks don't change once he steps offline.

Tall, fit guys can do well with in-person approach, but the apps give them a hyper efficiency that they aren't able to duplicate on real life methods alone.

Then one method should supplement the other.

Now, I'm not saying the guy should make a day out of cold approach (as I do)...but there's no way a man can, as a personal policy, not approach attractive women on cold approaches just because he's achieved success on swipe apps.

If you are "that" guy, you should be "that" guy to a certain extent wherever you go, not just on swipe apps.

I guess we all have our own pov of how "alpha" is defined.

Based on how I define an alpha male in this context, nothing is more alpha than a man approaching a stranger, in person, and spitting that game.

Nothing.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You don’t need to be 6’. nor do you need abs & muscle. All you need is Face.

Height, abs, muscle.

Not saying those 3 things are required.

But I am saying those 3 things are preferred.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Height, abs, muscle.

Not saying those 3 things are required.

But I am saying those 3 things are preferred.

Those three are great things to have.
But.
In my experience: Face>Everything Else.

 

[nismo-4]

Those three are great things to have.
But.
In my experience: Face>Everything Else.

If you can't looksmax, moneymax. Get a lot of money and buy aesthetics. Buy IG clout. Buy a Benz. Buy a business. The list goes on.

I knew a crypto millionaire who did just that. He was 5'10 prior to reaching that status. Then he became 6'5 with abs and everything else. He spent a good grip on aesthetics, but it works well for him...he's what most would call a Giga-Tyrone.

 

[New_Journey]

And yet nothing good has come out of those relationships because:

I've used both strategies

Men who use strategies are guys who don't know they're the prize. If you were a guys who thinks is valuable, you don't need to use any bvll$hit strategy, because you just are. Like Rollo says. Children with dynamite.

 

[Bingo-Player]

And yet nothing good has come out of those relationships because:

Men who use strategies are guys who don't know they're the prize. If you were a guys who thinks is valuable, you don't need to use any bvll$hit strategy, because you just are. Like Rollo says. Children with dynamite.

I would just worry about the gym pics and being " the prize "

 

[New_Journey]

I would just worry about the gym pics and being " the prize "

Thanks bro. I flattered

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If you can't looksmax, moneymax. Get a lot of money and buy aesthetics. Buy IG clout. Buy a Benz. Buy a business. The list goes on.

I knew a crypto millionaire who did just that. He was 5'10 prior to reaching that status. Then he became 6'5 with abs and everything else. He spent a good grip on aesthetics, but it works well for him...he's what most would call a Giga-Tyrone.

There is no One solution. You play the cards you’re dealt the best you can.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Those three are great things to have.
But.
In my experience: Face>Everything Else.

So what you saying?

Are you saying you once had abs and muscle to supplement your handsome face, and yet wasn't getting much traction with women..

Then you lost your muscle and abs, kept your handsome face, and wow, now the line is around the corner, filled with women who wants to jump your bone?

What you saying? Lol

 

[SW15]

In ranking face, height, physique, this is how I would rate them.

1. Height
2. Physique
3. Face

My point of view comes from a 5'10" male who has regularly exercised since being a teenager. I have never been overweight.

My facial aesthetics are good. My hairline hasn't receded since I got into my 30s and now early 40s. I think my face has helped me over time but not that much.

I was tempted to rank physique over height. I have observed examples in real life and seen internet stories of men with good physiques but below average heights struggling in dating.

Height seems most important based on my life experiences. I'm only a very average height. I don't stand out in any way on height. I am taller than most women I encounter. I don't perceive that my height has helped me in any way. In recent years, I think my average height has been more of a negative. There's a strong preference in the market for 6'0"+ men.

In the 2000s (ages 17-26 for me), I don't remember my 5'10" height being as much as of an issue for me as it has been in the 2010s-2020s. In the 2000s, my height was not perceived as great but more women seemed to find it acceptable. The only thing that I can think has shifted is female abundance from swipe apps and social media.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

So what you saying?

Are you saying you once had abs and muscle to supplement your handsome face, and yet wasn't getting much traction with women..

Then you lost your muscle and abs, kept your handsome face, and wow, now the line is around the corner, filled with women who wants to jump your bone?

What you saying? Lol

90% of the compliments I’ve received from women have been face.
As I said. ‘In my experience’.
Your mileage may vary.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In ranking face, height, physique, this is how I would rate them.

1. Height
2. Physique
3. Face

My point of view comes from a 5'10" male who has regularly exercised since being a teenager. I have never been overweight.

My facial aesthetics are good. My hairline hasn't receded since I got into my 30s and now early 40s. I think my face has helped me over time but not that much.

I was tempted to rank physique over height. I have observed examples in real life and seen internet stories of men with good physiques but below average heights struggling in dating.

Height seems most important based on my life experiences. I'm only a very average height. I don't stand out in any way on height. I am taller than most women I encounter. I don't perceive that my height has helped me in any way. In recent years, I think my average height has been more of a negative. There's a strong preference in the market for 6'0"+ men.

In the 2000s (ages 17-26 for me), I don't remember my 5'10" height being as much as of an issue for me as it has been in the 2010s-2020s. In the 2000s, my height was not perceived as great but more women seemed to find it acceptable. The only thing that I can think has shifted is female abundance from swipe apps and social media.

Mine’s a simple process of elimination. I’m 5’6” or so. I have a decent, but not outstanding body. And a good face. Yet I do fine with women. I can also compare what happens to me vs. friends or coworkers, who mostly are taller than I, yet I do better than them.
It probably isn’t my body & it sure as hell isn’t my height. That leaves…face.

 

[plumber]

#1 Face
#2 Physique
#3 Height

These are the order of elimination filter. If she doesn't like your face, your out.

This is about attraction, not the complete calculator that includes money and style. What SS is try to teach is style.

This is different than how men filter women. For men the filtering women it is usually:

#1 Physique
#2 Face
#3 Height

In all cases its not about what is the best, its about what is not the worst.

Face is a function of genetics, care, and physique.
Physique is a function of genetics and care.
Height is a function of genetics and location because it is relative.

 

[Velasco]

#1 Face
#2 Physique
#3 Height

These are the order of elimination filter. If she doesn't like your face, your out.

Pretty much. Last night I saw this guy who works at my gym, approach this girl that I've banged on and off (that currently hates my guts). He's taller and in much better shape than me. He's also a very socially savvy extrovert. While I'm not. This girl and I have nothing in common. Had lots of awkward forced conversations to pass the time. It's only face that allowed me to bang her, while he had her run away from him.