Nash equilibrium says to ignore the hottest girl; seems to be true to an extent

[isasda66]

Was out at a friend's party. Saw the hottest girl HB9 just being surrounded by multiple guys. And everyone knows that all the guys are going approaching and hanging around. Everyone blocks everyone and HB9 gets all the attention/validation she needs. It swaps the power dynamics, and people give chase. And it seems no one can truly isolate and have a proper conversation which isnt butted in every few minutes.

Reminds me of some time back when I was bumped into by a girl on purpose, she went round my friend and my left side to only come back and bump into my right side. I opened her but it was such that everyone was just heading to her like a moth to a light. Barely got my opener and 1-2 lines when one of her "friends" just pulled her for shots with the group. In such a situation it's best to just leave and continue on rather than be a good puppy waiting for her to return. Unfortunately at the time I didnt know that.

I remember seeing a movie which mentioned something similar to this. Cant remember the name right now

 

[Plinco]

Was out at a friend's party. Saw the hottest girl HB9 just being surrounded by multiple guys. And everyone knows that all the guys are going approaching and hanging around. Everyone blocks everyone and HB9 gets all the attention/validation she needs. It swaps the power dynamics, and people give chase. And it seems no one can truly isolate and have a proper conversation which isnt butted in every few minutes.

As you saw, the desperation isn't attractive.

It's not about Nash Equilibrium. It's about using that noggin of yours. Be selfish and rational, and over time you'll become more valuable.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

In such a situation it's best to just leave and continue on rather than be a good puppy waiting for her to return. Unfortunately at the time I didnt know that.

When you're in a conversation with a woman and some guy tries to butt in, the best thing to do is to immediately rebuking the rude dildo for interrupting your conversation and return your attention on the woman. Either she choses your side and sticks with conversing with you only, or she allows his impudence and you have a reason to end the conversation and give someone more deserving some of your attention and validation.

 

[zekko]

Was out at a friend's party. Saw the hottest girl HB9 just being surrounded by multiple guys. And everyone knows that all the guys are going approaching and hanging around. Everyone blocks everyone and HB9 gets all the attention/validation she needs.

I've said this repeatedly over the years: When I grew up, people always said to ask out the pretty girl because all the guys are afraid to ask her out. Unfortunately, when I grew up, I found this to be absolute BS. Instead, the reality is, the prettiest girls are surrounded as guys fall all over each other trying to get to her. That's the actual truth.

 

[GoodMan32]

I've said this repeatedly over the years: When I grew up, people always said to ask out the pretty girl because all the guys are afraid to ask her out. Unfortunately, when I grew up, I found this to be absolute BS. Instead, the reality is, the prettiest girls are surrounded as guys fall all over each other trying to get to her. That's the actual truth.

I find that it can go either way.

The hottest girl at my high school, for example, had guys surrounding her.

On the other hand, at the last speed dating event I attended, a beautiful woman said she had previously attended a happy hour hosted by the same dating company. I told her "With your looks, you must have had 10 men swarming you." She said no man said even one word to her at the happy hour.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Instead, the reality is, the prettiest girls are surrounded as guys fall all over each other trying to get to her. That's the actual truth.

The thirst is real.
And it's not only the prettiest girls.

 

[Slowhandluke]

I find that it can go either way.

The hottest girl at my high school, for example, had guys surrounding her.

On the other hand, at the last speed dating event I attended, a beautiful woman said she had previously attended a happy hour hosted by the same dating company. I told her "With your looks, you must have had 10 men swarming you." She said no man said even one word to her at the happy hour.

Resting biatch face???? If you're attractive, open, and sociable -- people will swarm to you (female or male). If you are hot, but don't look approachable -- well, nobody wants to get rejected...

Yes, simps will swarm a hot woman if she's sociable and make it harder for other men to talk to her. However, this situation is not stable especially if the simps are not at "her level." Ultimately, she will get bored of the simps and just leave the event or she will start talking to the other men.

It's like when attractive men get swarmed by a bunch of women he's not really interested in, but don't mind idle chit chat with them because he's friendly and nice.. Ultimately, he will start talking to other women he's truly interested in.

Personally, when a girl is surrounded by a bunch of guys, I just do my own thing.. Every now and then, there are women who just like the attention. WHICH I don't mind, because it's kind of like a red flag. This girl will probably make a bad friend. At the end of the day, you be you

 

[GoodMan32]

Resting biatch face???? If you're attractive, open, and sociable -- people will swarm to you (female or male). If you are hot, but don't look approachable -- well, nobody wants to get rejected...

Yes, simps will swarm a hot woman if she's sociable and make it harder for other men to talk to her. However, this situation is not stable especially if the simps are not at "her level." Ultimately, she will get bored of the simps and just leave the event or she will start talking to the other men.

It's like when attractive men get swarmed by a bunch of women he's not really interested in, but don't mind idle chit chat with them because he's friendly and nice.. Ultimately, he will start talking to other women he's truly interested in.

Personally, when a girl is surrounded by a bunch of guys, I just do my own thing.. Every now and then, there are women who just like the attention. WHICH I don't mind, because it's kind of like a red flag. This girl will probably make a bad friend. At the end of the day, you be you

Age could have played a role in why the beautiful woman at the speed dating event had no men chatting with her when she attended a happy hour.

I'd estimate she's closer to 40 than 30 (which means a decent amount of men might think she's too old). I, however, found her beautiful. If anything, she's younger than I prefer.

 

[SW15]

When I grew up, people always said to ask out the pretty girl because all the guys are afraid to ask her out. Unfortunately, when I grew up, I found this to be absolute BS. Instead, the reality is, the prettiest girls are surrounded as guys fall all over each other trying to get to her. That's the actual truth.

I agree with you. I always found that the best looking women got the most attention with in-person approaching.

Things are somewhat different now as in-person approaching is declining. Swipe app attention and social media DMs are replacing a lot of in-person approaching. The best looking women still get the most attention on the swipe apps and with social media DMs. However, swipe apps and social media DMs help more mid tier looking increase the amount of attention that they receive. The top tier women will get more attention using tech methods than if they weren't using them. As a relative measure, I think tech methods help the mid tier women with increasing attention more than the top tier women.

 

[New_Journey]

Was out at a friend's party. Saw the hottest girl HB9 just being surrounded by multiple guys. And everyone knows that all the guys are going approaching and hanging around. Everyone blocks everyone and HB9 gets all the attention/validation she needs. It swaps the power dynamics, and people give chase. And it seems no one can truly isolate and have a proper conversation which isnt butted in every few minutes.

Reminds me of some time back when I was bumped into by a girl on purpose, she went round my friend and my left side to only come back and bump into my right side. I opened her but it was such that everyone was just heading to her like a moth to a light. Barely got my opener and 1-2 lines when one of her "friends" just pulled her for shots with the group. In such a situation it's best to just leave and continue on rather than be a good puppy waiting for her to return. Unfortunately at the time I didnt know that.

I remember seeing a movie which mentioned something similar to this. Cant remember the name right now

You didn't get the message. You shouldn't ignore somebody with the hopes of getting something.

"If I ignore this hot woman, I'll get ger attention" not really, cause your words may not say anything, but your body language and the way you look at where she is, is saying something else. And women are built to detect that kind of incongruence.

If you need to play some game, it means you don't feel worthy of that girl. Get to a point where you ignore not on purpose, but that you're an awesome guy who is fun at parties that hangs out with everyone. That right there causes what you wrote about "ignore the hot girl"

 

[Dr.Suave]

I remember seeing a movie which mentioned something similar to this. Cant remember the name right now

It was probably "A Beautiful Mind" with Russell Crowe (2001)

 

[DarwinTaurus]

 

[zekko]

On the other hand, at the last speed dating event I attended, a beautiful woman said she had previously attended a happy hour hosted by the same dating company. I told her "With your looks, you must have had 10 men swarming you." She said no man said even one word to her at the happy hour.

That may have been the case at that particular event, but I'm guessing the rest of her life more than makes up for it. I bet she was surprised that no one talked to her.

 

[zekko]

I agree with you. I always found that the best looking women got the most attention with in-person approaching.

Things are somewhat different now as in-person approaching is declining. Swipe app attention and social media DMs are replacing a lot of in-person approaching. The best looking women still get the most attention on the swipe apps and with social media DMs. However, swipe apps and social media DMs help more mid tier looking increase the amount of attention that they receive. The top tier women will get more attention using tech methods than if they weren't using them. As a relative measure, I think tech methods help the mid tier women with increasing attention more than the top tier women.

Guys in the manosphere seem to constantly complain that even unattractive women get a lot of attention. And then medium-attractive women have their own specific draws - guys think they don't get as much attention, or might be less picky - but a lot of guys think this way, so the medium attractive girls get a lot of attention too.

 

[zekko]

The thirst is real.
And it's not only the prettiest girls.

They always talk about how attractive male murderers get marriage proposals in prison and such. Apparently it works both ways.

 

[SW15]

I'm guessing the rest of her life more than makes up for it. I bet she was surprised that no one talked to her.

I would guess that too.

Let's assume that this woman was reasonably attractive and in her late 30s. By the time a woman reaches 35-40, her real life attention does slow down a little bit. A lot of her female friends are married women and often have infants/toddlers/elementary school aged children at home. She doesn't have as many people to go out to bars with her. She might not be going out as much to bars, so her bar approaches decline. It's unknown how many random daygame approaches she fields (malls, grocery stores, walking paths/parks, gym, etc).

Most 35-40 year old women know by now that when their real life attention drops, all they need to do is put up a few pictures and place themselves on a swipe app. The current crop of 35-40 year olds was born in the mid to late 1980s and came of age in the 2000s as tech methods for dating and social media were growing. They are comfortable with tech methods.

It's challenging for me to see why a reasonably attractive late 30s woman had to bother with speed dating event/singles mixer.

 

[GoodMan32]

Guys in the manosphere seem to constantly complain that even unattractive women get a lot of attention. And then medium-attractive women have their own specific draws - guys think they don't get as much attention, or might be less picky - but a lot of guys think this way, so the medium attractive girls get a lot of attention too.

Then there are some men who, upon noticing that even average broads get lots of attention, go dumpster diving for below average broads.

 

[GoodMan32]

They always talk about how attractive male murderers get marriage proposals in prison and such. Apparently it works both ways.

High profile male criminals in general get lots of attention behind bars.

It's a combination of the thrill factor that comes from him being a criminal (remember, even in the outside world, criminals get easy cooch), as well as the fact these broads know he won't be able to lay a hand on her (as he's behind bars)

 

[GoodMan32]

I would guess that too.

Let's assume that this woman was reasonably attractive and in her late 30s. By the time a woman reaches 35-40, her real life attention does slow down a little bit. A lot of her female friends are married women and often have infants/toddlers/elementary school aged children at home. She doesn't have as many people to go out to bars with her. She might not be going out as much to bars, so her bar approaches decline. It's unknown how many random daygame approaches she fields (malls, grocery stores, walking paths/parks, gym, etc).

Most 35-40 year old women know by now that when their real life attention drops, all they need to do is put up a few pictures and place themselves on a swipe app. The current crop of 35-40 year olds was born in the mid to late 1980s and came of age in the 2000s as tech methods for dating and social media were growing. They are comfortable with tech methods.

It's challenging for me to see why a reasonably attractive late 30s woman had to bother with speed dating event/singles mixer.

Even though this specific woman never said anything about growing tired of swipe apps, a common theme at the speed dating events I attended was: Multiple broads informed me they grew tired of swipe apps.

It's possible that's why she attended a happy hour mixer/speed dating event.

One thing I know for a fact about this specific woman, however, is she never reached out to me after getting my card.

 

[SW15]

Even though this specific woman never said anything about growing tired of swipe apps, a common theme at the speed dating events I attended was: Multiple broads informed me they grew tired of swipe apps.

I can see why women would have that feedback regarding swipe apps. That's really their own fault for the way they use swipe apps.

Women get hundreds of options on swipe apps. Some percentage of those hundreds of options would be good boyfriend options. The women eliminate most of those good boyfriend options due to lacking "the feels" from their profiles or on a first date. Meanwhile, they chase the top tier guys, have sex with them, and often fail to land a commitment from them.

Grew tired of swipe apps means they got tired of failing to get a commitment from a "hot" guy and also didn't want to reject more mediocre (but perfectly acceptable) men after first-second dates that lacked sex.

One thing I know for a fact about this specific woman, however, is she never reached out to me after getting my card.

That's the most predictable outcome ever.

Why didn't you ask her on a date in person?