SMV and age difference

[sangheilios]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

They peak for different reasons.

Women's value when it comes to the dating market is pretty much entirely based around their looks and fertility, which basically is peak between 18-22....maybe up to 25. Women past 25 that are still single are trying to get locked down sooner rather than later, past 30 this is a huge problem if they want a child, as was alluded to earlier.

Men peak very differently though. A young guy really isn't all that high in demand when it comes to going for women around his own age, as they have far more power in the dating market. However, when a man is around 30 and older this power dynamic changes, for reasons I mentioned above. A guy at 30 does not have the biological clock ticking like women around his own age, so they are the ones who are actively trying to get locked down. It's not so much that a guy in his 30s can pull much younger women, it's more to do with the fact that he potentially has more power in the dating market RELATIVE to women around his age.

I think there are many other factors at play here though and it's a bit more complicated than just looks and dating market related stuff. I'm 34, almost 35, and I feel like I've been in my prime the last few years. Physically I'm pretty much the same as I was in my mid to late 20s, but my decision making, wealth and mindset are in a way better spot than back then. 30s and 40s are potentially a great time for men in regards to career, leadership, wealth, lifestyle, etc. Again, guys in this age range that put the effort in can provide things that a much younger version of themselves would not be able to.

 

[characternote]

Bro, wtf are you and @The Duke going on about?

No one is specifically arguing that it is impossible to date as you get older, the whole god damn thread is about your SMV as you get older, big age gaps, etc. A guy that is 35+ is not going to be pulling women under the age of 25 readily. This can and does happen, but it's not the norm for the overwhelming majority of men in this age bracket and very atypical.

Seriously, a lot of delusional middle aged men on here living in some fantasy land that become defensive whenever these ideas are challenged.

yes. the goal posts tend to slowly move in these sorts of threads.
Im certainly not saying you can't bang girls way younger than you.

Me and @mikedee are in somewhat similar situations and have spoken a fair bit and even shown various reciepts.
I'm well in my 30's now. I banged a SEVENTEEN year old not too long ago! very hot.
But I look very young for my age. (she thought I was 24 and I let her believe that)
I was lucky that I was just her physical type and she thought I was 'hot'. (this is ALWAYS a necessity. Her thinking you are good looking)
Basically, various stars aligned, but it's not something that would ever happen often to someone my age! (unless they also looked a lot younger than their years and they were a lot better looking than me.). And when you start getting even older?? 50s'?? 60's??!!! you have more chance of winning the lottery twice in a row lol

But it's silly that people seem to think it's irrelevant. There comes a time for all guys, even me, when you are completely invisible to them stunning pretty teenage/very early 20's girls. You are just some old man and not even remotely on her sexual radar. She is NOT sexually attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about that.
You need to be able to give her a lifestyle she wants and stuff ($$$$) if you expect to get her in bed. At that point she's attracted to your money, and not you.

If I took certain older posters from this forum out with me tonight, I know for a fact that they would have zero chance of getting the girls I pick for them too approach. Zero. Despite the bravado.

 

[mikedee]

And everybody should be the same?



This is true most of the time, but not always. Mike could surprise you too.



I appreciate the response. When I'm with these girls, I revert back to my 20 yo state of mind. I have a huge knowledge base, so it's easy for me to start and hold a conversation with people who want to have a conversation. It gets awkward when I have similar life experiences that their parents have, that they don't have. I've dated and slept with a bunch of girls that I was less than five years younger than their parents. The last girl that I went on a date with, she was 21, I'm 40, and her mom was 42. When her and I were texting and sending clips, there were some cultural references that she didn't understand, and her mom explained to her.

I enjoyed most of the conversations I've had with 18 to 22. I don't have the desire to have a conversation with a 30 year old woman. I can party if I have the time on the weekends; but doing something boring at a dive bar with 30 something's? No thanks

Read my post again, that is exactly what I said.
Some will stick around but most wont once they know my age, despite being attracted to me and having a good time.

 

[sangheilios]

Seriously, this topic has been repeated so many times on this forum it's ridiculous. Of course, it's the same damn posters making the same ridiculous claims.

yes. the goal posts tend to slowly move in these sorts of threads.
Im certainly not saying you can't bang girls way younger than you.

Me and @mikedee are in somewhat similar situations and have spoken a fair bit and even shown various reciepts.
I'm well in my 30's now. I banged a SEVENTEEN year old not too long ago! very hot.
But I look very young for my age. (she thought I was 24 and I let her believe that)
I was lucky that I was just her physical type and she thought I was 'hot'. (this is ALWAYS a necessity. Her thinking you are good looking)
Basically, various stars aligned, but it's not something that would ever happen often to someone my age! (unless they also looked a lot younger than their years and they were a lot better looking than me.). And when you start getting even older?? 50s'?? 60's??!!! you have more chance of winning the lottery twice in a row lol

But it's silly that people seem to think it's irrelevant. There comes a time for all guys, even me, when you are completely invisible to them stunning pretty teenage/very early 20's girls. You are just some old man and not even remotely on her sexual radar. She is NOT sexually attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about that.
You need to be able to give her a lifestyle she wants and stuff ($$$$) if you expect to get her in bed. At that point she's attracted to your money, and not you.

If I took certain older posters from this forum out with me tonight, I know for a fact that they would have zero chance of getting the girls I pick for them too approach. Zero. Despite the bravado.

This is exactly the point I'm getting at.

I'm 6'4" and right now around 235-240, overall strongest and most muscular I think I've ever been in my life without steroids, so I don't look juiced up. I've had a few instances over the last couple years of just trying to have non flirtatious/friendly interactions with women in their late teens and early 20s and they wouldn't entertain it, crazy thing is they were legitimately unattractive and/or fat lol. Now, I've definitely had some platonic interactions with women in this age range that went fine, but that's not really the point. The point is if a guy like me, who is early to mid 30s that is tall and very fit, has some interactions go like that wtf is it going to be like for the overwhelming majority of guys around my age, let alone those that are 40+?

This crap reminds me of Mel Gibson and that Ukrainian ***** he got married to years ago and how that all blew up back in 2010 all over TMZ lol. I was 20 at the time, but what I learned from it was that a lot of these older guys with money completely blow themselves up by going for these substantially younger gold digger women that have no real interest in them lol. You can cite countless examples like this and they all play out the same way.

 

[pipeman84]

But it's silly that people seem to think it's irrelevant. There comes a time for all guys, even me, when you are completely invisible to them stunning pretty teenage/very early 20's girls. You are just some old man and not even remotely on her sexual radar. She is NOT sexually attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about that.

But there should also come a time (maybe by 30) for most guys when they've understood that a pvssy is a pvssy and fvcking a ditzy (drunk?) 20yrs old bimbo won't seem like an achievement at all. Granted, some will be in their late 80s and still not more evolved than a 14yrs old boy who has only seen pvssy in porn movies. Case in point:

I'm well in my 30's now. I banged a SEVENTEEN year old not too long ago! very hot.
But I look very young for my age. (she thought I was 24 and I let her believe that)
I was lucky that I was just her physical type and she thought I was 'hot'. (this is ALWAYS a necessity.

Lying about your age to fvck a 17yrs old hoe? C'mon man, that's pathetic. Speaks volumes of your self esteem.
It's one thing to be a man pursuing your passion and as a side effect of that have hoes throw themselves at you. Whole different thing to actively go after them (cold approaching) and then misleading or outright lying in order to have sex with them.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The point is if a guy like me, who is early to mid 30s that is tall and very fit, has some interactions go like that wtf is it going to be like for the overwhelming majority of guys around my age, let alone those that are 40+?

I think the single common denominator in all your stories (you get IOIs all the time, but their interest wanes the moment you start interacting with them) is that something goes wrong during the interactions. Since they do interact with you in the beginning, I guess since it's not something visible, it's something in your vibe or voice or body language that puts them off.

 

[sangheilios]

But there should also come a time (maybe by 30) for most guys when they've understood that a pvssy is a pvssy and fvcking a ditzy (drunk?) 20yrs old bimbo won't seem like an achievement at all. Granted, some will be in their late 80s and still not more evolved than a 14yrs old boy who has only seen pvssy in porn movies. Case in point:
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Lying about your age to fvck a 17yrs old hoe? C'mon man, that's pathetic. Speaks volumes of your self esteem.
It's one thing to be a man pursuing your passion and as a side effect of that have hoes throw themselves at you. Whole different thing to actively go after them (cold approaching) and then misleading or outright lying in order to have sex with them.

@characternote did not elaborate on the context of how he met that much younger woman. Most guys at some point have done something a bit sketchy in order to have sex lol, don't kid yourself. Stuff like pressuring a girl to have sex when she doesn't want to, leading women on, telling them what they want to hear, etc.

I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong, but so long as he wasn't doing anything illegal, not sure where he lives, there really is no harm in it. The woman found him attractive and was eager to bang, no reason for him to have potentially shot himself in the foot because he didn't correct her about his true age.

 

[characternote]

@characternote did not elaborate on the context of how he met that much younger woman. Most guys at some point have done something a bit sketchy in order to have sex lol, don't kid yourself. Stuff like pressuring a girl to have sex when she doesn't want to, leading women on, telling them what they want to hear, etc.

I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong, but so long as he wasn't doing anything illegal, not sure where he lives, there really is no harm in it. The woman found him attractive and was eager to bang, no reason for him to have potentially shot himself in the foot because he didn't correct her about his true age.

age of consent is 16 where i live. We don't have any age gap laws at all. I could be 120 and sleep with 16 year old girls if I could afford it! lol
I actually met her at a club (you need to be 18 to club here) but she managed to basically sneak in. No bouncers on the door as it was a Sunday night and quiet.
When it comes to lying to girls, it's Each to their own as far as i'm concerned.
We all have our own morals when it comes to that stuff haha. I do it a fair bit about all kinds of stuff (If I think the truth will ruin the lay)

if you're not her type, 'persuing your passions' will NOT have the side effect of her 'throwing herself at you' lol

 

[BaronOfHair]

A guy that is 35+ is not going to be pulling women under the age of 25 readily

I won't try to persuade anyone that their "Woe is me mindset" shapes their behavior, which in turn renders them unattractive. Suffice to say, I'm 35+ myself, and ALL the women I snag are a decade or slightly more younger than myself, and there are many guys here at SS much older than me who do likewise

 

[sangheilios]

I won't try to persuade anyone that their "Woe is me mindset" shapes their behavior, which in turn renders them unattractive. Suffice to say, I'm 35+ myself, and ALL the women I snag are a decade or slightly more younger than myself, and there are many guys here at SS much older than me who do likewise

I didn't say you couldn't pull younger, I specifically said that a guy that is 35+ is not going to be readily landing women that are UNDER the age of 25. A guy that is 38 pulling a 28 year old or a 45 year old dating a 32 year old is not that ridiculous. However, a guy that is 35-40 pulling something as young as 21 or 22 for instance is ATYPICAL and not the norm at all.

As for the other posters, have you ever stopped to consider that they are just trolling?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Attracting younger women as an older man requires uncommon charm.

 

[mikedee]

I won't try to persuade anyone that their "Woe is me mindset" shapes their behavior, which in turn renders them unattractive. Suffice to say, I'm 35+ myself, and ALL the women I snag are a decade or slightly more younger than myself, and there are many guys here at SS much older than me who do likewise

35-25 is ok no big deal, 40-20 is a different story

 

[characternote]

As for the other posters, have you ever stopped to consider that they are just trolling?

 

[SW15]

Perhaps your general pattern you had previously noted (having a hard time pulling broads 10+ years younger than you) is slowly eroding (which, in your case, is awesome...seeing as you prefer younger)

No one is specifically arguing that it is impossible to date as you get older, the whole god damn thread is about your SMV as you get older, big age gaps, etc. A guy that is 35+ is not going to be pulling women under the age of 25 readily. This can and does happen, but it's not the norm for the overwhelming majority of men in this age bracket and very atypical.

Seriously, a lot of delusional middle aged men on here living in some fantasy land that become defensive whenever these ideas are challenged.

I try to remove myself from analyses as much as I can. The general man has difficulty seducing 10+hi years younger. There are enough men who achieve it but plenty of men fail to achieve it despite their desire to do so.

@sangheilios said essentially the same thing that I did.

 

[sangheilios]

@characternote

I'd like to take @AmsterdamAssassin to college bars near places like ASU or LSU, where they have a bunch of hot blonde sorority girls. I'm betting he could pull kittens left and right lol.

Oooooppppppps...........did I just say that?!?!?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I'd like to take @AmsterdamAssassin to college bars near places like ASU or LSU, where they have a bunch of hot blonde sorority girls. I'm betting he could pull kittens left and right lol.

I prefer students from the University of Amsterdam.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I didn't say you couldn't pull younger, I specifically said that a guy that is 35+ is not going to be readily landing women that are UNDER the age of 25. A guy that is 38 pulling a 28 year old or a 45 year old dating a 32 year old is not that ridiculous. However, a guy that is 35-40 pulling something as young as 21 or 22 for instance is ATYPICAL and not the norm at all.

As for the other posters, have you ever stopped to consider that they are just trolling?

Didn't you also spend an entire thread insisting that formal eduaction(provided one majors in a field that's in demand, interns while at uni, etc etc)WILL NOT get a man further a long in life monetarily, even after Pierce, BeExcellent, and several others posted links to hard data which demonstrated the exact opposite?

In the interest of not dragging this out any further, I'll grant you 1/1000th of a point, Sangh: No, not EVERY young woman will be receptive to a man significantly older than herself, just as not EVERYONE is receptive to the work of a stand-up comic who works both very blue and extremely macabre. All available evidence dictates that most young women actually PREFER older guys though https://www.realmenrealstyle.com/older-men-younger-women/ https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a38870/why-do-we-like-older-guys/

 

[Manure Spherian]

Seriously, a lot of delusional middle aged men on here living in some fantasy land that become defensive whenever these ideas are challenged.

Also mentioning the most desirable men in the world. A typical RP talking point: “Heehee, Genghis Khan, King Louie the Great, Clooney, DiCaprio. All da powerful old greezers in history got all da honies.”

I remember the RP madman and motor mouth Michael Sartain talking about what a sexy fella he has become in his 40’s. Too bad the plastic-and-silicone-infused, alpha-widowed, and brain-rotted (consequence of repeated alpha-widowing) women he and the RP crowd go with require slavish self-improvement while the studs they screwed at fifteen (or younger) got first dibs decades ago just by existing. Haha!

 

[Clockwerk50]

Also mentioning the most desirable men in the world. A typical RP talking point: “Heehee, Genghis Khan, King Louie the Great, Clooney, DiCaprio. All da powerful old greezers in history got all da honies.”

I remember the RP madman and motor mouth Michael Sartain talking about what a sexy fella he has become in his 40’s. Too bad the plastic-and-silicone-infused, alpha-widowed, and brain-rotted (consequence of repeated alpha-widowing) women he and the RP crowd go with require slavish self-improvement while the studs they screwed at fifteen (or younger) got first dibs decades ago just by existing. Haha!

Some of us need to accept the fact that most women with an HB greater than 7 were being pursued and banged by men who hadn't put in much effort, who had little more than good genetics and some social clout. These men were "there with her" while we were off playing Final Fantasy or whatever.

It is what it is.

 

[mikedee]

@characternote

I'd like to take @AmsterdamAssassin to college bars near places like ASU or LSU, where they have a bunch of hot blonde sorority girls. I'm betting he could pull kittens left and right lol.

Oooooppppppps...........did I just say that?!?!?

It's like one of my good friends, he is 40-41yo, grey beard, he looks like 40. He always challenges me about women, he never cold approached a girl in his life, only relies on OLD with very little success, he got laid a lot but always with the botton in terms of girls: trash single mothers, tattooed expired bartenders, gringos diggers in cuba, etc.

I live in a university dormitory in Prague (Im not Czech), there is a student pub downstairs filled with 20-21 czechs and slovaks, a lot of cute girls, all sitting in groups with guys their age, speaking czech. Yet he thinks he could go there and pull girls, like it's nothing. He knows Im good with women but he doesnt understand why I dont pull any and I keep telling him that he would try to talk to one she would reject him so hard, then the bouncer would tell him to stop harrassing customers.

The reason why I dont pull at that pub? I dont try because I know its not gonna work, its called social intelligence, I would just embarrass myself. They are 20, czech, in group, Im 38 not czech.