SMV and age difference

[DJ Novice]

I’m 56 and currently gave an Asian girlfriend about 10 years younger than me but she prefers older guys. I’ve found Asian women often prefer much older guys to date. You have to weed out the gold diggers though.

There will be outliers who by a combination of wealth, status, looks, physique, game etc. will have success with dating much younger women as they age but even they will hit their SMV peak. If you think the average guy can still regularly pull 20 and 30 year olds at 60 then you are living in fantasy land.

Your energy and testosterone levels will decline as you age. Sleep becomes more appealing than hitting bars at 2am in the morning. Once you bust your nut you may not feel like doing so again for quite a few days or longer. You can’t get as hard or last as long as you used to. All the effort you have to put in to bed a new girl becomes less and less appealing especially when you intuitively know from past experience that the excitement of new p*ssy will wear off quickly.

At some point you have to cash in your hand. Whether that’s an LTR if you find someone who is genuinely into you, accepting being single most of the time and dating around your own age (probably more so for companionship as you age) or going the pay for play route if you want to keep sleeping with much younger women, the choice is yours. If you think you can emulate Leonardo Di Caprio into your 60s and beyond then good luck to you.

 

[sangheilios]

I’m 56 and currently gave an Asian girlfriend about 10 years younger than me but she prefers older guys. I’ve found Asian women often prefer much older guys to date. You have to weed out the gold diggers though.

There will be outliers who by a combination of wealth, status, looks, physique, game etc. will have success with dating much younger women as they age but even they will hit their SMV peak. If you think the average guy can still regularly pull 20 and 30 year olds at 60 then you are living in fantasy land.

Your energy and testosterone levels will decline as you age. Sleep becomes more appealing than hitting bars at 2am in the morning. Once you bust your nut you may not feel like doing so again for quite a few days or longer. You can’t get as hard or last as long as you used to. All the effort you have to put in to bed a new girl becomes less and less appealing especially when you intuitively know from past experience that the excitement of new p*ssy will wear off quickly.

At some point you have to cash in your hand. Whether that’s an LTR if you find someone who is genuinely into you, accepting being single most of the time and dating around your own age (probably more so for companionship as you age) or going the pay for play route if you want to keep sleeping with much younger women, the choice is yours. If you think you can emulate Leonardo Di Caprio into your 60s and beyond then good luck to you.

The thing is, a 10 year age gap of 56 vs. 46 is nothing remotely close to say a 30 year old man with a 20 year old. With the relationship you are in, both of you are more or less in similar phases of your life, you are both middle aged and well past the partying stages of your life and very likely focused on your careers.

I agree with everything else you wrote though. I'm still pretty young, but the idea of chasing women and hitting up bars never really did much for me, I can think of so many other things I'd rather do with my time. My biggest priorities right now are my health, sleeping well, eating well and staying in fantastic shape. However, I also prioritize my wealth/wealth building and also my hobbies, traveling and honestly the peace and quiet of enjoying my own company and free time. Chasing crazy women is detrimental to all of these things lol.

 

[pipeman84]

I see some of these troll threads on here with guys well into their 40s talking about dating substantially younger women, talking 25 or younger lol. What the hell is a guy in his 40s going to have in common with the overwhelming majority of women that are 21-25 lol. Hell, at that age range as a man you should find those women stupid and annoying lol.

Women under the age of 25 are looking for thrills, novelty and excitement. That's why they are often into bars/clubs, parties, concerts, drugs, etc. What the hell is Mike, a 42 year old guy that works in banking, going to have to offer these women that they'd actually be interested in. Mike could have a high net worth, live in a nice place of his own and be able to afford multiple nice vacations every year......but unless he is willing to offer excitement he isn't going to be pulling these women, and we aren't even factoring in looks/physical attraction. Now, Mike should definitely consider women around 25-32 though, as they are still young AND realistically something he could land and have some sort of commonality.

Man, one of my neurons dies every time I read the nonsense bolded.
So what you're suggesting is that Mike becomes the beta bucks of the woman he supposedly had nothing in common with when she was 21-25 (at her most attractive and with the least baggage) once she turns 30. I guess talking about her job, nasty boss and colleagues and stories about her toxic exes make for satisfying conversation topics. After all, those wouldn't have been possible when she was 21 and in college.

 

[BadBoy89]

Women hit their SMV peak 18-26 and it slowly goes downhill from there year by year. A 22-year-old woman who is just considered "cute" will still have plenty of options from men her age and much older men since men unconsciously value youth and beauty in women since it is tied to fertility.

I was at a higher end bar last night and the hottest women inside were those 21 to 25, fresh faced beauty.

Bro when you say you saw fresh faced beauties at a bar but didn't pick them up, and then come on Sosuave to say you saw them, it's a little suspicious.

Now either you are going to say "I did pick them up" or "I didn't because xyz". But you've said it after the fact so it doesn't count.

A man's SMV can peak anywhere from 35 to 50 and then slowly decline from there.

As for age difference, it is not so black and white.

Who said SMV ages were black and white? That's an imposing statement. Not Sexy.

Some women don't care about your age and don't give it much thought (within reasonable limits, let's say 15 years difference)

Some women are turned on by men 10 to 20 years older and will purposely seek these men out

Some women are turned off by men more than 5 years older and will think you're a creep for giving them attention no matter how attractive you are for your age.

Not true, could be the other way around.

Another imposing statement. Very Un Sexy

 

[Lean Baby Face]

I haven't even reached 35, yet my looks have gone downhill. No way is 35-50 a man's peak SMV.

I share your concern, man. I'm not even 30 yet and already starting to show signs of maturing (facially only, though). While I'm still eating healthy and exercising, I think there's still improvements to be made. Maybe that will fix it and possibly even reverse some of it.

 

[Lean Baby Face]

You say lean is better. Hearing that from a woman is good to hear.

I've been criticized for how skinny I am. But I guess being skinny is better than being fat.

When you say skinny, are you with a flat stomach (no rolls when sitting down/bending over), but no muscles? If so, please, do not gain any more fat thinking it will make you look bigger. All you need is gaining muscle and wearing smaller sized clothing.

If you're lean (no rolls) with a 1.5x/BW bench press and 2x/BW squat/deadlift, you'd literally be Instagram-level fit with a score in the 8-10 range, especially when haircut and clothing are on point as well.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Look at a mature looking George Clooney compared to a young looking Clooney in his 20s. The mature Clooney looks distinguished.

Case for my point previously discussed. When men discuss “peaking,” they go straight to anomalies: the most desirable on earth (eg, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney, kings, emperors).

“You need to understand bro, historically da most powerful men had da most women. King Louie’s teeth were falling out and honies were still wanting to screw him!”

Clooney and DiCaprio were likely drowning in females at age thirteen. They didn’t “peak” sexually.

 

[characternote]

Young hot girls (18-23) usually don't go with older men. Most girls (hot, average or ugly) date guys the same age or slightly older (4-5 years older). There are some exceptions of course, I'm one the perfect example and I will explain how it works because a lot of guys here and outside of this forum live in a fantasy thinking that dating will improve as they get older. Not at all.

I'm 38yo and I have all the physical attributes that women find attractive in a man:

• Tall 6'2"
• Athletic 91kg
• Stylish
• White/Caucasian
• My hairline is receiding and some grey hair but I still have a lot of hair
• I look 10 years younger, especially when I shave.

I've been told many time that I'm the tall, dark and handsome type.

I've always dated very hot girls (models, etc), way younger than me. My last girlfriend was a 19yo Slovak model, I'm currently seeing a 22yo Ukrainian and I'm having a beginning of an affair with a fresh 18yo Ukrainian. Here are the reasons why I still get young girls despite my age:

• The way I look
• My personality and life experience (I've had a pretty exciting and interesting life so far)
• I speak French, English, Russian and some Czech (so I can date Russian, Ukrainian, Belarus, Czech, Slovak girls - the best in terms of beauty, and they are more open regarding age)
• I only meet girls through cold approach
• Volume - I go to the university and I live in a dormitory (went back to school)
• I only target girls below 25-26, with some exceptions when the girl is older but really hot

But those young hot girls are far and between, I get one from time to time and I really need to be proactive (cold approach). If I don't make a move, nothing is going to happen, they won't come and knock at my door. Long dryspells is a normal thing, despite all the advantages I have. I don't go to clubs, bars or parties. Plus, I wont get those girls on OLD:

• Girls on OLD are usually average or below average
• They will filter everything that is too old, so I won't appear in search results.

The best age for a man to get young hot girls is between 18 and 28 approx. When you get 30 and up, and you're more solid in terms of finances, you don't attract the young ones, you attract the 30something that are looking for stability. The 20yos are busy dating guys the same age. I noticed that girls who go for older men all have some kind of personal issues (daddy issues, self esteem issues, etc), it doesn't mean that they are low quality girls, but they have some issues. Age can be dealbreaker. Young girls want to fit in, they don't like to feel the pressure of their peers, parents, friends, etc. They feel that they do something wrong if they date a guy that is way older. I got rejected many times because of my age even if the girl was clearly into me. Like I said, why would they bother dating an older man when they have so many options, guys of their age. It's less complicated and "socially"a better choice.

So, even if I still get young hot ones, I get less and less and eventually (soon) I won't get any. That's just the way it is. I will be able to pull younger women all my life but at some point the 20yos will be out of reach. Like I said, yes some 20yo don't mind dating 35+ but it's very unlikely to happen, especially if you are average or below average in terms of looks and you don't have that "swag" that young girls like. Money won't make a difference. I don't have much and still pull young hotties.

Men SMV goes down after 30 too, but slower. It's just the reality. This SMV gets better with age thing is dating coach and Red pill BS.

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Some of the older guys are so deluded here and they would literally be invisible to them hot 18 year olds.

'pay for play'/sugar daddy game is of course an entirely different thing. But we're talking about attraction. I'm not gonna call anyone out but some members have posted their pics and it's beyond laughable to think that they have more than the chance of winning the lottery to be taking home these stunning 19 year olds or are getting 'hit on' by them etc LOL.

 

[Mike32ct]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

 

[BaronOfHair]

One way to think about this, especially in light of recent events:

Dating and mating is similar to politics.... If you cling to tactics and an underlying philosophy that's proven ineffectual at drawing those whom you desire to your side, all for the sake of "being real", you'll continue to subsist off of table scraps

Fortune favors those who engage in regular self-reflection, notice the ways in which what they "know" ain't quite so, then modify their approach accordingly. Just as lots of older candidates who've been crafty in their messaging have been able to resonante with constituents who are half a century younger than themselves, many older men who are conscientious of the way they think and behave are highly successful at snagging younger women

 

[SW15]

guys well into their 40s talking about dating substantially younger women, talking 25 or younger lol. What the hell is a guy in his 40s going to have in common with the overwhelming majority of women that are 21-25 lol.

I'm over 40 and I met a 25 and 26 year old at a bar a few nights ago. Both were into me to varying levels and I had good chats with both. The 26 year old was really into me. She liked my sense of humor and did mentioned how hot I am. I had some good kino escalation with her and nearly got her home.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Your mileage may vary.....dating got pretty easy in my late 30's. Its not hard to beat out 70% of the male population.

I wish you luck in persuading the doomsayers, Duke... These 30somethings who are bemoaning the fact that they no longer look 18* are similar to hipsters in Brooklyn and Berkely who lament: "I can barely make ends meet, and wealth redistribution is all that can make my life easier!!!", all while violently resisting the observation that many of their own lifestyle choices(Buying every game system on the market, dining at the most expensive restaurants 5 nights a week, dropping close to a grand per week on recreational narcotics, etc etc)are harming them




*Isn't this something WOMEN are supposed to fret over? When did men start mourning the fact that they no longer look as innocent and vulnerable as they once did?

 

[GoodMan32]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

Well-said.

There's a married couple I work with. The man is 34; the broad is 26. Even that type of age gap is somewhat rare (and quite frankly, I find their relationship to be strange). 40 year old men with 22 year old broads are (as you pointed out) extremely rare.

 

[GoodMan32]

I'm over 40 and I met a 25 and 26 year old at a bar a few nights ago. Both were into me to varying levels and I had good chats with both. The 26 year old was really into me. She liked my sense of humor and did mentioned how hot I am. I had some good kino escalation with her and nearly got her home.

I'd be curious to hear if you ultimately end up getting laid by her.

This isn't the first recent story you've shared on the forum about capturing the interest of broads below 30. Perhaps your general pattern you had previously noted (having a hard time pulling broads 10+ years younger than you) is slowly eroding (which, in your case, is awesome...seeing as you prefer younger)

 

[GoodMan32]

I wish you luck in persuading the doomsayers, Duke... These 30somethings who are bemoaning the fact that they no longer look 18* are similar to hipsters in Brooklyn and Berkely who lament: "I can barely make ends meet, and wealth redistribution is all that can make my life easier!!!", all while violently resisting the observation that many of their own lifestyle choices(Buying every game system on the market, dining at the most expensive restaurants 5 nights a week, dropping close to a grand per week on recreational narcotics, etc etc)are harming them




*Isn't this something WOMEN are supposed to fret over? When did men start mourning the fact that they no longer look as innocent and vulnerable as they once did?

I personally never fretted much over the fact I no longer look 18 until I experimented with the AI looks rater (and got better scores in my younger days than I currently do)

I was nearly an 8 at 17, a 7.25 at 23, and I managed to barely break 7 as late as age 27

From age 28 to now, the highest score any picture of me has gotten has been in the 6 range.

(To build upon your making ends meet analogy, I live a pretty simple lifestyle...yet even I'd be dead if it weren't for the fact I come from a wealthy family)

 

[pipeman84]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

That would only work with intelligent, intellectually mature men&women AND who would have some magical dating app like device to put them in contact. To add further complexity, there are multiple peaks for a man, each attained at a different age and every combination thereof at another age. Furthermore, each woman has her own preferences, some will like building a future with a man of similar age, in a more partnership fashion while others will prefer getting with a more mature, established guy in a more father figure fashion.

 

[Solomon]

 

[sangheilios]

That guy in the video is definitely trolling everyone when the reality he is going to foreign countries and paying for these women to at least some degree. I've watched his stuff in the past, very cringey stuff.

 

[oc16]

Well-said.

There's a married couple I work with. The man is 34; the broad is 26. Even that type of age gap is somewhat rare (and quite frankly, I find their relationship to be strange). 40 year old men with 22 year old broads are (as you pointed out) extremely rare.

I don't know, I personally know 6 couples off the top of my head that have an 8 to 20 year age difference. However, it's usually guys who are married a second time

 

[sangheilios]

I wish you luck in persuading the doomsayers, Duke... These 30somethings who are bemoaning the fact that they no longer look 18* are similar to hipsters in Brooklyn and Berkely who lament: "I can barely make ends meet, and wealth redistribution is all that can make my life easier!!!", all while violently resisting the observation that many of their own lifestyle choices(Buying every game system on the market, dining at the most expensive restaurants 5 nights a week, dropping close to a grand per week on recreational narcotics, etc etc)are harming them




*Isn't this something WOMEN are supposed to fret over? When did men start mourning the fact that they no longer look as innocent and vulnerable as they once did?

Bro, wtf are you and @The Duke going on about?

No one is specifically arguing that it is impossible to date as you get older, the whole god damn thread is about your SMV as you get older, big age gaps, etc. A guy that is 35+ is not going to be pulling women under the age of 25 readily. This can and does happen, but it's not the norm for the overwhelming majority of men in this age bracket and very atypical.

Seriously, a lot of delusional middle aged men on here living in some fantasy land that become defensive whenever these ideas are challenged.