SMV and age difference

[oc16]

It depends on a lot of factors, men age more according to their ethnic group, for example Mediterranean men often look 10 years younger at age 35 compared to men from northern and eastern Europe who are more inclined to early greyness and have pale skin that ages faster. Women under the age of 25 don't find features of older age like grey hair and gaunt skin attractive.

That's good for me then, I am half Italian descent and look Italian. I am 47, but can probably pass for late 30' or early 40's.

 

[pipeman84]

but for the other 98% of men over 40 their best chances of bagging hot under 25 year olds are way back in their rear view mirror.

With 100eur one can legally bang hot 25yrs olds in many places across the world and if one doesn't live in a location where's that possible, then by 40 one should have enough resources to travel to such places.

And even the most average woman at 50 has a higher SMV than almost any man.

Most single women at 50 have 0 (zero) SMV, WTF are you talking about? Most guys unless drunk or very stupid wouldn't even have sex with most 50yrs old women, let alone the average 50yrs old woman.

 

[oliver109]

With 100eur one can legally bang hot 25yrs olds in many places across the world and if one doesn't live in a location where's that possible, then by 40 one should have enough resources to travel to such places.

Most single women at 50 have 0 (zero) SMV, WTF are you talking about? Most guys unless drunk or very stupid wouldn't even have sex with most 50yrs old women, let alone the average 50yrs old woman.

Haha, Rupert Murdoch the billionaire is married to a woman who is 67, the dirty digger could probably afford to date 30 year olds or younger but he goes after older women.

 

[BeExcellent]

I know @AmsterdamAssassin does well with women considerably younger. He's in his 50s. I know other men the age of the OP who can also pull options 20 years younger.

However most, and I mean MOST men start losing attractiveness by 35-40. Hair loss sometimes contributes (but not universally by any means), but the bigger thing is most men start getting a gut. A gut is not sexy, and the worse it is, the more it detracts. A man should not look like a toad naked.

Most men also have zero sense of style or panache in the way they dress.

This is why physique is so important for a guy. You don't need to be muscle bound and jacked but you need to avoid the dreaded Dad bod, man boobs, beer belly, etc. It is best to be lean. Musculature may vary but lean is by far more attractive than overweightness. Attractive women want to be with attractive men. It is a cope to think status etc will totally overide physical height/weight profile.

Now. Charm helps, success helps, maturity helps, and looks may not be a woman's top parameter. But you cannot ignore it as a factor where you could be DQ'd over your beer belly. Weight issues can be avoided because unlike height or hair loss, you have control over your weight & fitness level.

That should be encourging news right? If you maintain a healthy physique, weight and cultivate some style & charm? You will out perform your peers.

That's the whole point of SS right? To help men become better versions of who they are & to help men understand why it's important.

 

[GoodMan32]

Are you sure that pic at 22 is even Naomi Watts?

If it is, she clearly had some help from a plastic surgeon or maxillofacial surgeon (jaw surgery) that improved her facial attractiveness.

Yeah, I'm sure. At 22, she was in a show (which only lasted 6 episodes) called Brides of Christ. That picture of her at 22 is from Brides of Christ.

She wasn't super famous yet at 22. Once she developed fame and wealth, it's possible she explored beauty enhancement regimens (whether it be surgery or whatever else)

 

[GoodMan32]

Anyone who is living with the delusion that men have a higher SMV at 35+ is going to be sorely disappointed when they reach that age. I say that because nobody who is that age range would ever believe that nonsense so it's gotta be young guys who have sold themselves on the idea that, yeah things suck now but just wait til I hit 40!. Yes if you're a famous and/or rich guy the age thing isn't relevant and it can even be better for older guys if they are excellent shape and aren't total morons when dealing with women, but for the other 98% of men over 40 their best chances of bagging hot under 25 year olds are way back in their rear view mirror. Your best change of landing girls like that are when you're under 30, and ideally under 25. And even the most average woman at 50 has a higher SMV than almost any man. Sorry to have to let you know whatever you're reading is total BS but better you find out now and go find someone than wait til you're too old to have any chance with most of them.

You're probably right when you say the typical 50 year old broad has a higher SMV than the vast majority of men.

It's been said before on this forum that even 50 year old broads get lots of attention on swipe apps. On the other hand, men tend to struggle on swipe apps unless the man is a total Chad.

 

[pipeman84]

However most, and I mean MOST men start losing attractiveness by 35-40. Hair loss sometimes contributes (but not universally by any means), but the bigger thing is most men start getting a gut. A gut is not sexy, and the worse it is, the more it detracts. A man should not look like a toad naked.

It's all about the money, let's be serious here. She's either wife material, meaning she's out of the market by the time she's 25. Or she's for sale. In that case, one can be a muscular, shredded 6'3'' like @sangheilios and get nothing (actually wasted time on apps and dates that go nowhere) while a rich, 30yrs older, fat fvck like Briatore will drown in pvssy.

 

[GoodMan32]

It depends on a lot of factors, men age more according to their ethnic group, for example Mediterranean men often look 10 years younger at age 35 compared to men from northern and eastern Europe who are more inclined to early greyness and have pale skin that ages faster. Women under the age of 25 don't find features of older age like grey hair and gaunt skin attractive.

I really lost the genetic lottery in that case.

Pale skin from my Celtic side (which would explain the early wrinkling I'm already experiencing at 33), yet just enough Mediterranean to give me undesirable body hair.

It's like I got the worst from both sides, with the benefits of neither side.

 

[GoodMan32]

With 100eur one can legally bang hot 25yrs olds in many places across the world and if one doesn't live in a location where's that possible, then by 40 one should have enough resources to travel to such places.

Most single women at 50 have 0 (zero) SMV, WTF are you talking about? Most guys unless drunk or very stupid wouldn't even have sex with most 50yrs old women, let alone the average 50yrs old woman.

I'd be ecstatic for a chance to bed the average 50 year old broad.

 

[GoodMan32]

Haha, Rupert Murdoch the billionaire is married to a woman who is 67, the dirty digger could probably afford to date 30 year olds or younger but he goes after older women.

Umm, he's 93. A 67 year old is a younger model for him.

 

[GoodMan32]

I know @AmsterdamAssassin does well with women considerably younger. He's in his 50s. I know other men the age of the OP who can also pull options 20 years younger.

However most, and I mean MOST men start losing attractiveness by 35-40. Hair loss sometimes contributes (but not universally by any means), but the bigger thing is most men start getting a gut. A gut is not sexy, and the worse it is, the more it detracts. A man should not look like a toad naked.

Most men also have zero sense of style or panache in the way they dress.

This is why physique is so important for a guy. You don't need to be muscle bound and jacked but you need to avoid the dreaded Dad bod, man boobs, beer belly, etc. It is best to be lean. Musculature may vary but lean is by far more attractive than overweightness. Attractive women want to be with attractive men. It is a cope to think status etc will totally overide physical height/weight profile.

Now. Charm helps, success helps, maturity helps, and looks may not be a woman's top parameter. But you cannot ignore it as a factor where you could be DQ'd over your beer belly. Weight issues can be avoided because unlike height or hair loss, you have control over your weight & fitness level.

That should be encourging news right? If you maintain a healthy physique, weight and cultivate some style & charm? You will out perform your peers.

That's the whole point of SS right? To help men become better versions of who they are & to help men understand why it's important.

You say lean is better. Hearing that from a woman is good to hear.

I've been criticized for how skinny I am. But I guess being skinny is better than being fat.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Okay, what's your take?

For Online Daters, Women Peak at 18 While Men Peak at 50, Study Finds. Oy. (Published 2018)

The study, which looked at nearly 200,000 users, also showed that a man’s desirability increased with greater education. For women, it was another story.

www.nytimes.com

I cannot read the article, and I find it very hard to believe that 50 year old men have an advantage on online dating apps. Maybe that actually is true, but again, it is hard to believe.

My take? Well, just who do you think is taking the virginity of prettiest young women in their late teenage years? Those are the women who have the most sexual leverage above all, and they typically lose this prized asset to men similar in age. These men get first dibs, and then usually go on to a life that is never womanless. And most women aged sixteen to 25 are not in so-called "age-gap" relationships; they are with men within a few years of their age or the same age.

I agree with what @sangheilios wrote. Most men aged 35 to 50, despite what the Red Pill crowd tries to make them out to be, are not wealthy, not particularly good looking, not impressively built, are not popular, do not have flowing silver beards, and don't have a big home and an assortment of adult toys. They are ordinary. That doesn't make them bad men or undeserving of women. It simply means they do not have high SMV, as most young men don't either. And as men age, like women, they get worse looking. Women are not turned on by baldness, graying hairs, saggy and corpselike skin, skin disorders, and hooded eyes, and the average middle-aged man doesn't have the previously handsome looks, clout, fame, stature, criminality, or wealth to counter all of this.

And as I have said elsewhere, men, like women, get worse looking as time goes by, even if they regularly exercise and eat a healthy diet. I personally am built better than nearly all men my age because I have a 20-year experience in the gym and other exercise, once competed in bodybuilding, and still look sort of like a bodybuilder. But like most middle-aged men, I am graying and balding.

I am in my forties, have two kids, and met my wife when she was 23 and I was 30. I get more women starting conversations and showing IOI's in public than my younger years, but I am convinced this is because I carry myself with more self respect as opposed to when I was younger and struggling with serious on-and-off mental illness and suicidal ideation. I think confidence is overrated in some cases, but being built, dressing nicely, even flamboyantly sometimes (I like form fitting shirts with unique patterns, different hats, leather), and "not giving a fvck", and yes, "being myself" (despite this being ill-advised) has helped me tremendously.

And like @sangheilios wrote, "dating" (whatever the hell people consider it) gets harder as men and women age. Both will need to use time and energy in seeking similar baggage-saddled people of the opposite sex, unless they meet throughout the course of everyday life (work, gym, activities for the kids, introductions).

And who the heck would want to peak at 50 years old, when the most opportunity-heavy years are in the late teens and twenties when there is much spare time for socializing, travel, and fun to be had so that men can get women and move on with their lives, especially if they want a wife or life partner and children (I say life partner because I will not absolutely recommend marriage until the divorce industry is out out of business)? Even if that is not the goal, waiting for these dubious years of 35 to 50 years old can seriously backfire! Young men are in the proximity of young women in school, recreational activities, social circles, and jobs. Just where are wannabe silver foxes going to fit into this?

There are older men who have it easy in attracting women and they likely are the ones who had women nearly their entire lives. They aren't common.

I do not know what @SW15 means by saying most men are ***** beggars.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I'll also add onto what @sangheilios and @SW15 have said about women being urged to be so-called boss babes. I do not know why men on a seduction/player forum would want women to be anything but boss babes. I mean do seducers want the opposite, most women married at eighteen to 25 years old, and thereby off the market and closed off to seduction?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Saw this quote a few years ago. It has some validity.

‘First off, unless you have 1/100,000 god tier genetics, you're incel as fvck around age 40 and beyond.’

 

[BaronOfHair]

Whatever a woman thinks about your age is none of your concern. Like many here at SS, I've found that I became MORE attractive once I was out of my 20s, and ceased to look, speak, and act like a boy in high school. It's not a coincidence that when women at any age refer to themselves as "girls", it's considered endearing and complimentary, while for males, it's advisable to evolve from "boy" to "man" as soon as possible

A cursory look at what's become of almost all those overgrown tweens who once headlined Judd Apatow's flicks, now that they're in their late 30s and beyond, is testament to the perils of dragging that sh-t out way too long

 

[Plinco]

When I was 35 I pulled a 7/10 18yo

Just a few weeks ago, I went on date with a 6/10 21yo, and I'm 40

The way I see it is this:

1.) Women are an addition to my life, not a necessity.

2.) Me being attracted almost exclusively to 18-25 is a fact. Whether or not these girls find me attractive is a mere probability.


Edit

and I drive around in an old pickup truck too, so it isn't about money.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

How old are you and are you attracting younger women?

I'm way older than I expected to become and I'm currently dating three younger women, but I'm not representative of anything.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

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Most men also have zero sense of style or panache in the way they dress.

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One of the good things about being almost always in some sort of relationship, is that my girls have picked a nice wardrobe for me.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Most men also have zero sense of style or panache in the way they dress.

To be fair, most people, despite their 'individuality', are worried about not conforming to generally expected clothing norms, so the only men who are actually stylish tend to either work in fashion or a creative profession, with a high percentage being same-sex oriented. And panache is difficult to define, but more about how you wear clothes than what clothes you're wearing. Regardless of how you are dressed, if you have bad posture, your expensive clothes will still look like crap.

One of the good things about being almost always in some sort of relationship, is that my girls have picked a nice wardrobe for me.

In your case that works out, but I've seen a lot of men dressed by their women where that didn't work out in the guy's favour. Of course, a woman might dress her boyfriend like crap just to stave off the competition...

 

[corrector]

One of the good things about being almost always in some sort of relationship, is that my girls have picked a nice wardrobe for me.

That's one of not so great memories within a past "relationship" in 2007. It doesn't feel nice to have women picking out clothes for you. While it was an interesting experience, I appreciated other women afterwards who was not critical about my sense/lack of sense of fashion and we just enjoyed each other.