Sexual Marketplace Evolution

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The sexual marketplace is evolving in response to new technologies and other cultural changes. Some cultural changes can be made on laws made and others are based on social movements that become a part of study of various social science disciplines.

As I see it, in post World War II USA, there are have two big era of changes.

The first significant era of change took place between the 1960s-1980s, but more of the big events took place in the 1960s-1970s.The big changes of the 1960s-1970s that impacted the USA's sexual marketplace were:
  • The birth control pill, growth in use of all contraception methods, and promiscuity
  • No fault divorce
  • Women entering the workplace in less traditionally female roles
The next era of change took place between the 1990s-2010s. The 1990s-2010s built upon the 1960s-1980s changes in the marketplace, but it was computer chip based technology that changed it all. The internet started to gain adoption in the 1990s, but the changes to the dating marketplace didn't take effect until the mid-2000s. Match.com launched in 1995, but it sort of lingered around until the early to mid 2000s, waiting for internet based initial matching to get de-stigmatized. Social media and smartphones also changed all too. Both emerged in the mid to late 2000s and quickly changed dating. The computer chip and computer networking based technology advancements of the 1990s-2000s really came together in the 2010s. App-based initial matching started for heterosexuals in 2012 with the launch of Tinder.

There were other social changes from the 1990s-present. Promiscuity was even more promoted in the media. People continued to delay marriage while not delaying sex and even marriage was considered more optional.

While this isn't everything that changed in the marketplace, I think I covered a lot of the things that have led to the 2010s-2020s market.

Things might change in the future if women see bad consequences for too much abundance. That has yet to happen. It might happen more in the 2030s, as the first half of the Millennial generation gets to perimenopause/menopause with almost nothing to show for 20-30 years of penis carousel riding.
@SW15 shared this synopsis of the history of the sexual marketplace on another thread. I thought it was a very accurate assement. Hopefully he doesn't mind me making a new thread with it, as I didn't want to derail the other one.

My question to everyone is, where do you see the sexual marketplace headed?

@Solomon you are our resident predictor of the future. I'm counting on you!

We are seeing the very beginning of the end for the dating apps and this is a good thing. Perhaps they will go away, most likely they will have to change how they function if they want to stay in the fold. I could see dating apps geared toward common interests being something worth developing.

Women over inflating their values on social media will fade into the past as well because social media will become less relevant. Facebook has a huge problem on the horizon as their user base lacks young people to sustain its user base as older users die off. There is already data out there showing less engagement, and less personal posting on social media. As soon as they connect poor mental health to social media usage you will see more of a decline. Its no different than tobacco when they put warning labels on the harmful effects of it.

Also the bar/club business isn't as strong as it used to be. The 20-30yo crowd doesn't congregate in those places like they once did. Men approaching women in bars isn't as common nor successful as it once was. We've already seen how the decline in this industry has effected the sexual marketplace.

The economy is always a big driver. Here in the USA its getting harder to pay the bills on your own. The American dream of a house, family, and picket fence is long gone. Will economic struggles drive relationships? It has in the past. Will you see younger women get with older men due to the resources they can offer? Perhaps more young men will get with older women also for resources. Sugar daddy dating has increased in popularity and acceptance.

I'm not sure what the future looks like exactly, but I do think it will be more natural, organic, and resource based. I also think there will be less sex. Everything in life comes full circle, it just looks a little different the second time around.
 

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The average man is still going to be in the loser seat as long as corporate America, mainstream media, and government welfare remain in place. The average man only held as much power back then because women didn't have a choice at the time. Where average men have been struggling, the Chad's and top tier men have been thriving. I've thrived off the apps and I am confident enough to state that I could make a profile right now and get a date on the app tonight if I wanted to. Otherwise, I think it is going to get worse for the average man because he will need to bring more to the table than before. Yes, feminism and women empowerment sucks, but the pros were that they provided easier lays to men that weren't scared of their bullshvt. Yes, Trump won off of ticked off men, but they need to collectively make moves to capitalize on the victory over women. The first step is to treat sex like women treat sex because your average male lets the thirst of pvssy drive him in to a deep dark hole.
 

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Hopefully he doesn't mind me making a new thread with it, as I didn't want to derail the other one.
I don't mind at all. I think it is a very good idea. I think it is worth discussing in more detail about the evolution of the marketplace. As I was
typing that response that you quoted, I realized I was going into way more detail than was necessary. While my details were good details, I felt that I would lose people in the details of the story. Perhaps this thread would be a more gradual way to bring in those details.

It was good that I could make a post with some short details about the 1945-present history of the sexual marketplace.

I will try to look forward on the sexual marketplace a little bit later today when I have some more time.
 

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This is a real interesting question i wonder about as well.

on the drive in i was thinking that we are dangerously hitting an era where women won’t expect monogamy as the poly community takes off.

Or maybe more so we are reaching an era where we wont get all our needs met by one person. I see alot of women getting their attention and emotional needs from an online simp, their sexual outlet from more traditional player types and their finances taken care of by nice guy provider types. It kind of creates a lot of tension and even misery at times for all parties. Someone is either wanting someone else more or wishing they could get everything from one person.

to be honest in my post separation/divorce landscape i am struggling to find everything i want and expect in one woman. Its a cognitive bias i need to overcome i suppose
 

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Manipulation can only take society so far. Some of the ideas here seem to think thr world will become harsher with more women going to rich guys or providers.

I see it differently. The only stable place the larger society (esp middle class and above) is one where there is NO EXCHANGE of resources in relationships.

We are almost at the point where we are so.materially advanced that a man doesnt really have a role to provide or 'protect'a female.

In the west women are simply manipulating men into thinking the man is a provider or protector.

We need to ie we will end up in the only equilibrium system where women will not look.to.a guy for resources but relationships will be based on a non material basis.

At the moment things are messed up as we have two 'systems' running concurrently one where theman provides ie trad and one where the woman mostly has her own money resources.

Above working classes provider men have very little value.

The monied circles are super trash and pathetic. I met some.wealthy people lately and tbh most guys who care about money to get women are so low and pathetic these circles always talk about consumer **** keeping up with the Jones what brand of clothing what holiday what restaurant its the the guy has no value or game but to take the female to places and use other 'brands' other than his own brand to get the woman.

For sure men using money to get women have killed the game now we are just waiting for women to realise these men have no game and come to the real men and show respect cos the beta provider guys who are simps dont know anything about the game and are allowing women to manipulate men and the women think that's what all guys should be doing.
 

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We are almost at the point where we are so.materially advanced that a man doesnt really have a role to provide or 'protect'a female.

In the west women are simply manipulating men into thinking the man is a provider or protector.
Women still place high value on men that do not bore them to death or dry their pvssies up.
 

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Its like when something like an animal dies it has one last attempt to fight back and stay alive. Over the last couple of decades their has been a massive growth in luxury and consumerism, mostly driven by women, but paid for by men ofcourse. This created a massive market of women demanding 'high value' ie rich men and ofcourse many men though they dont admit using money and flashy things to get girls. Now you these expensive restaurants clubs and bars, yachts, LVHM, all that ****e is men buying sh1t for women. Women are still not happy and all that spending money strategy has now led to a general death of a healthy dating market.

So when do we get to the point where we are passed men being manipulated into spending $$ for girls and when will that guy taking his girl to high end restaurant or buyinh expensive sh1t or whatever realise he is just being played and that really his true value will never be acknowledged.

I supposed I just realised the dating market and men simping has payed for more 50% of the luxury consumer market over the past 20 years or so. Its a serious amount of money and implications for our current relationship, social and economic situation.
 

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@SW15 shared this synopsis of the history of the sexual marketplace on another thread. I thought it was a very accurate assement. Hopefully he doesn't mind me making a new thread with it, as I didn't want to derail the other one.

My question to everyone is, where do you see the sexual marketplace headed?

@Solomon you are our resident predictor of the future. I'm counting on you!

We are seeing the very beginning of the end for the dating apps and this is a good thing. Perhaps they will go away, most likely they will have to change how they function if they want to stay in the fold. I could see dating apps geared toward common interests being something worth developing.

Women over inflating their values on social media will fade into the past as well because social media will become less relevant. Facebook has a huge problem on the horizon as their user base lacks young people to sustain its user base as older users die off. There is already data out there showing less engagement, and less personal posting on social media. As soon as they connect poor mental health to social media usage you will see more of a decline. Its no different than tobacco when they put warning labels on the harmful effects of it.

Also the bar/club business isn't as strong as it used to be. The 20-30yo crowd doesn't congregate in those places like they once did. Men approaching women in bars isn't as common nor successful as it once was. We've already seen how the decline in this industry has effected the sexual marketplace.

The economy is always a big driver. Here in the USA its getting harder to pay the bills on your own. The American dream of a house, family, and picket fence is long gone. Will economic struggles drive relationships? It has in the past. Will you see younger women get with older men due to the resources they can offer? Perhaps more young men will get with older women also for resources. Sugar daddy dating has increased in popularity and acceptance.

I'm not sure what the future looks like exactly, but I do think it will be more natural, organic, and resource based. I also think there will be less sex. Everything in life comes full circle, it just looks a little different the second time around.

I've said it before, and people laughed at me, but this election is a huge indicator that there is a shift toward more traditional values. You had more young men voting on the right than you had in a long time.

Hookup culture is supposed to be this glorious thing, yet Gen-Z is having the least sex, and Gen-Z men are the most conservative young men in a long time.

This is very telling to me. Things are getting expensive and will continue to become more costly. I do see online dating (OLD) fading as we know it now, but in the future, there will be a resurgence, possibly in VR or some new tech involving AI. However, I don’t see that happening for another 5-10 years.

I do think third spaces might make a comeback, but if dating is hard for you now, it will likely only get harder. It's all about adapting, and many men struggle to adapt now. With inflation and the cost of living rising, dating in the future will be considered a "luxury." Honestly, it already is. There are young guys who can’t afford to take a date to Applebee’s, and even men in their 30s and 40s who can’t, yet they think they’re entitled to a "10."

I also think poly dating will become huge. For men who are deemed attractive or who do well with women, it will be like feasting at a buffet; for others, they’ll end up sharing the same woman. Living in one of the most progressive cities in the world, I’ve already seen that men who are at the bottom of the social ladder tend to be more open to sharing a woman, while men at the top are often being shared by multiple women.

I can see topics like "My boyfriend’s girlfriend gets to have more sex with her than I do" becoming common within 10 years. A lot of people think this is a joke, but once again, I live in an area that's 5-10 years ahead of these trends. Polyrelationships have been normalized where I live for almost a decade now.

My advice for anyone would be
-Keep yourself in the best shape possibile shyt it about to hit the fan
-Try to have a nice nestegg, 100K is already like making 50K in some places.(i.e. New York, LA, San Diego etc)
-Making money is not about impressing women but being in a position where you can live comfortably.
I see whitin 5 years that making a 100K will be considered slightly above poverty in some places
-Learn how to hunt and use a gun

Things will get worse before it will get better but the men who will win are the ones who know how to adapt in tough times!
 
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I also think poly dating will become huge. For men who are deemed attractive or who do well with women, it will be like feasting at a buffet; for others, they’ll end up sharing the same woman. Living in one of the most progressive cities in the world, I’ve already seen that men who are at the bottom of the social ladder tend to be more open to sharing a woman, while men at the top are often being shared by multiple women.
Is it that bad?
 

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You quoted the word "laws" in the OP, Duke. Laws are made by a process we shall not speak of. Tsk tsk...

 

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Diddy Tapes and Epstein list release will also have a big impact on curbing degeneracy as well. Hollywood influences will have a stain they will never be able to remove.
 

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I've said it before, and people laughed at me, but this election is a huge indicator that there is a shift toward more traditional values. You had more young men voting on the right than you had in a long time.

Hookup culture is supposed to be this glorious thing, yet Gen-Z is having the least sex, and Gen-Z men are the most conservative young men in a long time.

This is very telling to me. Things are getting expensive and will continue to become more costly. I do see online dating (OLD) fading as we know it now, but in the future, there will be a resurgence, possibly in VR or some new tech involving AI. However, I don’t see that happening for another 5-10 years.
Diddy Tapes and Epstein list release will also have a big impact on curbing degeneracy as well. Hollywood influences will have a stain they will never be able to remove.

Lolz who's going to want to have a J-Lo @ss anymore knowing who she was involved with?
 

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I've said it before, and people laughed at me, but this election is a huge indicator that there is a shift toward more traditional values. You had more young men voting on the right than you had in a long time.

Hookup culture is supposed to be this glorious thing, yet Gen-Z is having the least sex, and Gen-Z men are the most conservative young men in a long time.

This is very telling to me. Things are getting expensive and will continue to become more costly. I do see online dating (OLD) fading as we know it now, but in the future, there will be a resurgence, possibly in VR or some new tech involving AI. However, I don’t see that happening for another 5-10 years.

I do think third spaces might make a comeback, but if dating is hard for you now, it will likely only get harder. It's all about adapting, and many men struggle to adapt now. With inflation and the cost of living rising, dating in the future will be considered a "luxury." Honestly, it already is. There are young guys who can’t afford to take a date to Applebee’s, and even men in their 30s and 40s who can’t, yet they think they’re entitled to a "10."

I also think poly dating will become huge. For men who are deemed attractive or who do well with women, it will be like feasting at a buffet; for others, they’ll end up sharing the same woman. Living in one of the most progressive cities in the world, I’ve already seen that men who are at the bottom of the social ladder tend to be more open to sharing a woman, while men at the top are often being shared by multiple women.

I can see topics like "My boyfriend’s girlfriend gets to have more sex with her than I do" becoming common within 10 years. A lot of people think this is a joke, but once again, I live in an area that's 5-10 years ahead of these trends. Polyrelationships have been normalized where I live for almost a decade now.

My advice for anyone would be
-Keep yourself in the best shape possibile shyt it about to hit the fan
-Try to have a nice nestegg, 100K is already like making 50K in some places.(i.e. New York, LA, San Diego etc)
-Making money is not about impressing women but being in a position where you can live comfortably.
I see whitin 5 years that making a 100K will be considered slightly above poverty in some places
-Learn how to hunt and use a gun

Things will get worse before it will get better but the men who will win are the ones who know how to adapt in tough times!
Thoughts from the old lady: I see in my children (All Gen Z) exactly these trends. My son (a very handsome 22 year old married college graduate and USAF officer) voted conservatively. So did his wife and most of his friends, particularly the young men. My son and daughter-in-law are trad/con. She is 21, pregnant with their first child and she is a full time wife/mother type. And she's cute in a girl next door way. She cooks, bakes, cleans, sews and is akin in her demenor to a 1950s housewife. And both of them are 100% committed to that lifestyle. They are also active Catholics. I'm very pleased he's got that type family going. He's like his grandparents & great grandparents. He met his wife in gradeschool.

My 20 year old daughter is in a nearly 4 year LTR with her high school sweetheart. She is close with his family, she is working FT and he is in college. They might marry and are in a stable long distance relationship. They are talking about it (marriage). They are both more liberally aligned in their politics but have survived the gender bender silliness (quite silly from a biological/physiological POV as well as objective reality) and they get on very well. They are very caring and kind to one another and both seem to value what they have.

I don't get the impression either of my older 2 children are driven by sexual needs or desires. Attraction, yes, but they value the whole enchilada, and sexuality is just one component.

My 16 year old daughter has made statements indicating that she (and her friends) are kind of "over" the whole gender bender propaganda. She tells me many of her peers reject that whole idea as something unnatural being pushed onto them by creepy older weirdos. I mean, she's put off by Ssnta Claus....and finds the whole notion of a strange old man breaking into the house to eat cookies & bring presents to be creepy AF and she has felt this way of her own accord for many years. So its interesting to hear the philosophical musings and observe the cultural beliefs in action in Gen Z. As a Gen X person who has zero Baby Boomers in my family (my parents were older than Boomers, and I younger) I've always seen the Boomers as the original entitled generation who shirked responsibility collectively to go shack up, get high, get laid, protest wars, and generally behave in a selfish (entitled) manner. Policies like the welfare state expansions over the years reflect the Boomers' beliefs. But its socially irresponsible and not sustainable.

I see values coming back in a more conservative direction. I think that is a good thing. How this will affect the mating market at large remains to be seen, but I know many more young people in serious LTRs or getting married very young than I did when I was 18-25....but then again I also know personally at least a dozen married couples who were high school or college sweethearts and who are still happy & going strong.
 
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I see values coming back in a more conservative direction
Folks were convinced we were in the midst of a conservative revolution during The Regan Years of The 80s... Leave It To Beaver didn't become reality by time The 90s rolled around. While I'm not a fan of many aspects of our current social climate, America going Tradcon is going to deliver us a society that's no less socially repressive than the one we've been in since '17
 

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"The economy is always a big driver. Here in the USA its getting harder to pay the bills on your own. The American dream of a house, family, and picket fence is long gone"



While I agree that there are many practical reforms which can reduce our costs of living, I'm not sure how much this would benefit those who are regularly down and out today. I've noticed that this crowd groans endlessly over how tough it is to make rent and eat, yet they can somehow afford the latest game systems and EVERY streaming service in existence

The American Dream isn't dead, so much as we now all believe that we're entitled to it, no matter how foolishly we behave
 

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Folks were convinced we were in the midst of a conservative revolution during The Regan Years of The 80s... Leave It To Beaver didn't become reality by time The 90s rolled around. While I'm not a fan of many aspects of our current social climate, America going Tradcon is going to deliver us a society that's no less socially repressive than the one we've been in since '17
True. I came of age during the Regan years. Reganomics works FYI. Humans are not as complicated as we try to make them. Yes technology changes. Human nature changes very little. There is a reason "48 Laws of Power" quotes many behavioral examples that are centuries old. People are not changing like technology is. The tools change. The people using the tools? Not so much.
 

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where do you see the sexual marketplace headed?
The only constant is change. I have put some thought into where I see things heading but I'm still trying to work through my own vision of the future of the mating environment. I've seen some good nuggets in existing posts I'll quote and respond to them. There are going to be changes in both the overall environment and the methods used to initial seduce (daygame, nightgame, etc).

I'm going to start first by going over methods and where I see those methods.

We are seeing the very beginning of the end for the dating apps and this is a good thing. Perhaps they will go away, most likely they will have to change how they function if they want to stay in the fold. I could see dating apps geared toward common interests being something worth developing.

Women over inflating their values on social media will fade into the past as well because social media will become less relevant. Facebook has a huge problem on the horizon as their user base lacks young people to sustain its user base as older users die off. There is already data out there showing less engagement, and less personal posting on social media. As soon as they connect poor mental health to social media usage you will see more of a decline. Its no different than tobacco when they put warning labels on the harmful effects of it.
I do see online dating (OLD) fading as we know it now, but in the future, there will be a resurgence, possibly in VR or some new tech involving AI. However, I don’t see that happening for another 5-10 years.
Online dating has some sort of future. Online dating websites and apps will probably fade to a degree but not completely go away between now and 2035. Gen Z saw what a disaster swipe apps were for Millennials during the 2010s and they haven't been inclined to use them as much. A lot of Millennials have had poor experiences on swipe apps and are now turned off from them. I see swipe apps become more niched during the next 10 years.

Gen Z is still tech dependent and I don't see them turning into great real world approachers. Millennials now in their 30s/early 40s aren't going to become better at approaching either.

the bar/club business isn't as strong as it used to be. The 20-30yo crowd doesn't congregate in those places like they once did. Men approaching women in bars isn't as common nor successful as it once was. We've already seen how the decline in this industry has effected the sexual marketplace.
Night game is now niched as compared to the era of Peak Mystery and Neil Strauss (late 1990s - mid 2000s).

When I first got out of college in 2005, it was the era of the pickup artist. By the time I graduated college in 2005, I had already read David DeAngelo's works. I had some familiarity with pickup and seduction by then. Strauss' "The Game" came out in September 2005, just months after my college graduation.

I moved to a new city after college as an unattached guy and immediately immersed myself in the nightlife venues of that city.

Bars and other nightlife venues aren't as important for initial interactions anymore. They still host 1st/2nd dates arranged via swipe app and social media DM. Maybe even some daygame arranged first dates.

I think there's a future in daygame but in a limited way. There's a lot of hype around run clubs right now as a daygame method. I don't know if that hype will materialize into anything. In the late 2000s/early 2010s, there was a lot of hype around kickball leagues and that trend has since faded.

Daygame will only improve if women stop using headphones/earbuds less outdoors and inside gyms. I don't see that happening for now.

The average man is still going to be in the loser seat as long as corporate America, mainstream media, and government welfare remain in place. The average man only held as much power back then because women didn't have a choice at the time. Where average men have been struggling, the Chad's and top tier men have been thriving. I've thrived off the apps and I am confident enough to state that I could make a profile right now and get a date on the app tonight if I wanted to. Otherwise, I think it is going to get worse for the average man because he will need to bring more to the table than before.
I don't see things getting better for the average man (middle of the bell curve or mid-tier men) in the near future. These middle tier men are going to have to continue to keep bringing more to the table.

As a Gen X person who has zero Baby Boomers in my family (my parents were older than Boomers, and I younger) I've always seen the Boomers as the original entitled generation who shirked responsibility collectively to go shack up, get high, get laid, protest wars, and generally behave in a selfish (entitled) manner. Policies like the welfare state expansions over the years reflect the Boomers' beliefs. But its socially irresponsible and not sustainable.
I'm a Millennial with Baby Boomer parents. All the adult figures I remember from my childhood were all Boomers.

When Woodstock happened in 1969, the oldest Boomers were 23. While there were many 18-23 year old Boomers at Woodstock, plenty of Boomers were still under 18 and were not able to attend Woodstock. There were plenty of 24-29 year old late Silent Generation people in attendance at Woodstock. Many of the Woodstock musicians, like Jimi Hendrix, were late Silents.

The Boomers pushed forth ideas of cohabitation without marriage (something gaining traction with the Silents before them). Getting high and getting laid wasn't unique to Boomers. However, I agree with your premise that Boomers became well known for them. The late Silents started this in the 1960s, but Boomers took it to the next level in the 1970s-1980s. Boomers were called the original "Me Generation" in popular culture in the 1970s.

The Boomers got a lot of privilege off of the successes of the GI Generation (1910s-early 1920s births) and a good portion of the Silent Generation (late 1920-1945 births). The Boomers selfishly took theirs, and subsequent generations got stuck cleaning up the messes, with each subsequent generation having less privilege.
 
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The only constant is change. I have put some thought into where I see things heading but I'm still trying to work through my own vision of the future of the mating environment. I've seen some good nuggets in existing posts I'll quote and respond to them. There are going to be changes in both the overall environment and the methods used to initial seduce (daygame, nightgame, etc).

I'm going to start first by going over methods and where I see those methods.





Online dating has some sort of future. Online dating websites and apps will probably fade to a degree but not completely go away between now and 2035. Gen Z saw what a disaster swipe apps were for Millennials during the 2010s and they haven't been inclined to use them as much. A lot of Millennials have had poor experiences on swipe apps and are now turned off from them. I see swipe apps become more niched during the next 10 years.

Gen Z is still tech dependent and I don't see them turning into great real world approachers. Millennials now in their 30s/early 40s aren't going to become better at approaching either.



Night game is now niched as compared to the era of Peak Mystery and Neil Strauss (late 1990s - mid 2000s).

When I first got out of college in 2005, it was the era of the pickup artist. By the time I graduated college in 2005, I had already read David DeAngelo's works. I had some familiarity with pickup and seduction by then. Strauss' "The Game" came out in September 2005, just months after my college graduation.

I moved to a new city after college as an unattached guy and immediately immersed myself in the nightlife venues of that city.

Bars and other nightlife venues aren't as important for initial interactions anymore. They still host 1st/2nd dates arranged via swipe app and social media DM. Maybe even some daygame arranged first dates.

I think there's a future in daygame but in a limited way. There's a lot of hype around run clubs right now as a daygame method. I don't know if that hype will materialize into anything. In the late 2000s/early 2010s, there was a lot of hype around kickball leagues and that trend has since faded.

Daygame will only improve if women stop using headphones/earbuds less outdoors and inside gyms. I don't see that happening for now.



I don't see things getting better for the average man (middle of the bell curve or mid-tier men) in the near future. These middle tier men are going to have to continue to keep bringing more to the table.
I'm pretty sure this is the thread you were talking about (when you said there's a thread relevant to the topic of dating/sex marketplace changes as the Millennials age)

I must say I'm perplexed. On a different thread, you suggested the unsustainable dynamics right now will correct themselves as Millennials age. Yet on the post I'm quoting right now, you seem to think there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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I'm pretty sure this is the thread you were talking about (when you said there's a thread relevant to the topic of dating/sex marketplace changes as the Millennials age)
You're correct. This is the right thread.

I must say I'm perplexed. On a different thread, you suggested the unsustainable dynamics right now will correct themselves as Millennials age. Yet on the post I'm quoting right now, you seem to think there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
I can see your point of view.

Some aspects will change/correct to some extent as Millennials age and Gen Z gets deeper into their 20s/30s. I think that's a reasonable expectation. I'm still trying to figure out my own vision of the future and how I see it all evolving.

The post you quoted above isn't meant to be my comprehensive view.

I don't think mid-tier men are going to do much better in the future. It might happen for mid-tier Millennials men in the 2030s who are willing to date aging Millennial women in the 2030s. I can't see much beyond the 2030s right now. There might be a slight improvement for Gen Z mid-tier men but I'm struggling to see how that will play out right now. It might seem like I tend to think there's no light at the end of the tunnel, but this is simply a matter of the fact that I'm struggling to see the future at the moment.

I hope this thread continues as I think it is a good thought exercise to help me start to get a better vision of my own in the future.

I would like to be optimistic and see more utilization of offline methods in early stage dating/mating in the future. The pessimistic version of me has a difficult time seeing that as I walk around outdoors seeing nearly all women using earbuds/headphones.
 

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While I agree that there are many practical reforms which can reduce our costs of living, I'm not sure how much this would benefit those who are regularly down and out today. I've noticed that this crowd groans endlessly over how tough it is to make rent and eat, yet they can somehow afford the latest game systems and EVERY streaming service in existence
They buy it off credit/installment payments
 
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