Sexual Marketplace Evolution

[SW15]

This is why I said if you're struggling now it's going to get harder

I don't see it getting any easier for middle of the bell curve SMV males. It's possible that Millennials males once they reach 50-55 might have it a little bit easier if they pursue 50-55 year old Millennial females. The typical 50-55 year old Millennial female in the 2030s will be burned out from major penis carousel riding in the 2000s-2020s.

 

[Solomon]

I don't see it getting any easier for middle of the bell curve SMV males. It's possible that Millennials males once they reach 50-55 might have it a little bit easier if they pursue 50-55 year old Millennial females. The typical 50-55 year old Millennial female in the 2030s will be burned out from major penis carousel riding in the 2000s-2020s.

. Any situation can change for any man depending on what their issues are and what they are willing to work on. If a man is 55 and struggling with women in 2030 I'm speculating he's more worried about paying rent, and how he's going to retire than getting his **** wet. We are looking at an era where some people may never retire and that's some scary shyt

But what do I know

 

[SW15]

If a man is 55 and struggling with women in 2030 I'm speculating he's more worried about paying rent, and how he's going to retire than getting his **** wet.

I've never been 55 but I have been unemployed before. During periods of unemployment, I still wanted to have sex.

Men who are unemployed and lack sexual partners will seek sexual partners.

This is a bigger problem for white collar men who look like white collar men. Women tend to expect those men to be employed. If you are a guy who looks like a degenerate, your SMV is less tied to employment.

This is still the best article on getting laid while unemployed.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

 

[Solomon]

Two women fighting over a guy who owns his own used car lot
Stuff like this is going to be the norm with the poly stuff I was talking about
Except in this situation, it did not end well (one of the girls ended up dead due to being jealous of the other)
If 2 women are fighting over this guy you can just tell how women will fight over a guy who really has it together

 

[CornbreadFed]

This is still the best article on getting laid while unemployed.

I listed my job as something vague on the apps too.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I listed my job as something vague on the apps too.

"Head hunter" can mean anything from "I acquire high quality employees for Fortune 500 corporations" to "I prowl Central Park after dark while carrying a battle ax, regularly decapitating unsuspecting joggers, whenever I find myself thinking: "His or her face will look beautiful up on my wall"

 

[SW15]

the poly stuff I was talking about

Poly relationships are often 2-3 guys and 1 woman. That's been happening in San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. A mediocre to subpar looking woman will have a low T looking beta and maybe a Greater Beta/Alpha type in a rotation.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Women still place high value on men that do not bore them to death or dry their pvssies up.

Yes, women these days do have the nerve to demand they be entertained by their male court jesters and step-and-fetch-it’s at 9:00 on work nights. And if he doesn’t perform, she’ll “fall out of love,” and will “just not feel it anymore”.

Women have society in a chokehold and men don’t have the nerve to resolve this.

The only constant is change. I have put some thought into where I see things heading but I'm still trying to work through my own vision of the future of the mating environment. I've seen some good nuggets in existing posts I'll quote and respond to them. There are going to be changes in both the overall environment and the methods used to initial seduce (daygame, nightgame, etc).

I'm going to start first by going over methods and where I see those methods.





Online dating has some sort of future. Online dating websites and apps will probably fade to a degree but not completely go away between now and 2035. Gen Z saw what a disaster swipe apps were for Millennials during the 2010s and they haven't been inclined to use them as much. A lot of Millennials have had poor experiences on swipe apps and are now turned off from them. I see swipe apps become more niched during the next 10 years.

Gen Z is still tech dependent and I don't see them turning into great real world approachers. Millennials now in their 30s/early 40s aren't going to become better at approaching either.



Night game is now niched as compared to the era of Peak Mystery and Neil Strauss (late 1990s - mid 2000s).

When I first got out of college in 2005, it was the era of the pickup artist. By the time I graduated college in 2005, I had already read David DeAngelo's works. I had some familiarity with pickup and seduction by then. Strauss' "The Game" came out in September 2005, just months after my college graduation.

I moved to a new city after college as an unattached guy and immediately immersed myself in the nightlife venues of that city.

Bars and other nightlife venues aren't as important for initial interactions anymore. They still host 1st/2nd dates arranged via swipe app and social media DM. Maybe even some daygame arranged first dates.

I think there's a future in daygame but in a limited way. There's a lot of hype around run clubs right now as a daygame method. I don't know if that hype will materialize into anything. In the late 2000s/early 2010s, there was a lot of hype around kickball leagues and that trend has since faded.

Daygame will only improve if women stop using headphones/earbuds less outdoors and inside gyms. I don't see that happening for now.



I don't see things getting better for the average man (middle of the bell curve or mid-tier men) in the near future. These middle tier men are going to have to continue to keep bringing more to the table.



I'm a Millennial with Baby Boomer parents. All the adult figures I remember from my childhood were all Boomers.

When Woodstock happened in 1969, the oldest Boomers were 23. While there were many 18-23 year old Boomers at Woodstock, plenty of Boomers were still under 18 and were not able to attend Woodstock. There were plenty of 24-29 year old late Silent Generation people in attendance at Woodstock. Many of the Woodstock musicians, like Jimi Hendrix, were late Silents.

The Boomers pushed forth ideas of cohabitation without marriage (something gaining traction with the Silents before them). Getting high and getting laid wasn't unique to Boomers. However, I agree with your premise that Boomers became well known for them. The late Silents started this in the 1960s, but Boomers took it to the next level in the 1970s-1980s. Boomers were called the original "Me Generation" in popular culture in the 1970s.

The Boomers got a lot of privilege off of the successes of the GI Generation (1910s-early 1920s births) and a good portion of the Silent Generation (late 1920-1945 births). The Boomers selfishly took theirs, and subsequent generations got stuck cleaning up the messes, with each subsequent generation having less privilege.

Some boomer parents also exhort their daughters to become financially well off instead of focusing attention on finding a mate, because 1) they resent their working-stiff beta husbands they never had the hots for, and 2) boomer dads get a buzz out of having a high-achieving daughter (why, I don’t know).

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes, women these days do have the nerve to demand they be entertained by their male court jesters and step-and-fetch-it’s at 9:00 on work nights. And if he doesn’t perform, she’ll “fall out of love,” and will “just not feel it anymore”.

Women have society in a chokehold and men don’t have the nerve to resolve this.

Some boomer parents also exhort their daughters to become financially well off instead of focusing attention on finding a mate, because 1) they resent their working-stiff beta husbands they never had the hots for, and 2) boomer dads get a buzz out of having a high-achieving daughter (why, I don’t know).

Boomers are stuck in a 1970-vintage world view and habitually dismiss any evidence over the past 50+ years that contradicts it. So to them, that high achieving daughter is "fighting the man" like we're in the Vietnam War era or something.

They suck.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Boomers are stuck in a 1970-vintage world view and habitually dismiss any evidence over the past 50+ years that contradicts it. So to them, that high achieving daughter is "fighting the man" like we're in the Vietnam War era or something.

They suck.

Yes. And the mothers don’t want their daughters “trapped” in marriage with ordinary men, as they were.

 

[SW15]

Boomers are stuck in a 1970-vintage world view and habitually dismiss any evidence over the past 50+ years that contradicts it. So to them, that high achieving daughter is "fighting the man" like we're in the Vietnam War era or something.

They suck.

This is spot on. I'm not impressed with the Boomer generation on a lot of levels. They had a lot of privilege and the subsequent generations have less privilege in part because of them.

Some boomer parents also exhort their daughters to become financially well off instead of focusing attention on finding a mate, because 1) they resent their working-stiff beta husbands they never had the hots for

The sexual marketplace and culture in general were in the midst of great changes when Boomer women were young.

More Boomer went to college but their college attendance rates were lower than Generation X and Generation Y/Millennial females.

Boomer women didn't automatically expect to be working women during their lifetimes. When I was in high school in the late 1990s/early 2000s, early Millennial women had the mindset that they would be spending the majority of their lives as working women.

Many Boomer women were more dependent on males and had to marry more ordinary because they were good provider males. Some Boomer women divorced their husbands during the 1980s-early 2000s divorce boom. The Boomer women that did stay married 30 and 40+ years often feel as you describe.

the mothers don’t want their daughters “trapped” in marriage with ordinary men, as they were.

Boomer women mostly got married in the 1970s-early 1980s, when no fault divorce was being enacted by most states. Boomer women were not nearly as trapped as some predecessor generation women. There were many Boomer divorces over the decades.

There were Boomer women that did stay in mediocre marriages.

boomer dads get a buzz out of having a high-achieving daughter (why, I don’t know).

I don't get that either. Boomer dads have often wanted their mainly Millennial daughters to have more feminist leanings and be less attractive to males. Millennial women have had lower marriage and lower fertility rates. I wonder why.

 

[Manure Spherian]

don't get that either. Boomer dads have often wanted their mainly Millennial daughters to have more feminist leanings and be less attractive to males. Millennial women have had lower marriage and lower fertility rates. I wonder why.

It might be driven by resentment because they know they had few options as a young schlub. So they want other men to suffer.

 

[Solomon]

Poly relationships are often 2-3 guys and 1 woman. That's been happening in San Francisco, Seattle, and Portland. A mediocre to subpar looking woman will have a low T looking beta and maybe a Greater Beta/Alpha type in a rotation.

Outside of the RP tropes you also have hot women who share themselves with multiple men doesn't really matter
I'm talking real life not redpill narratives (alpha/beta)s which is outdated when it comes to these types of relationships in the modern era. A good example of this is what happened to Destiny losing his wife to a twink. Redpill would say destiny lost his ex to an alpha, but both guys are twinks. This type of nuance is something redpill refuses to akcnlowedge hence you're talking points doin't hit the same here as it's outdated

 

[BaronOfHair]

boomer dads get a buzz out of having a high-achieving daughter (why, I don’t know).

And, given that it's this chick's life, it's of no consequence to us as men. Our only responsibility is to be the best version of ourselves, and bring into our orbit folks who are eager to enrich our existenceces, while we hopefully do likewise for theirs

 

[Manure Spherian]

And, given that it's this chick's life, it's of no consequence to us as men.

Uh, yes it does.

 

[Plinco]

Reganomics works FYI.

Lazize faire capitalism works better yet.

 

[Divorced w 3]

This is spot on. I'm not impressed with the Boomer generation on a lot of levels. They had a lot of privilege and the subsequent generations have less privilege in part because of them.



The sexual marketplace and culture in general were in the midst of great changes when Boomer women were young.

More Boomer went to college but their college attendance rates were lower than Generation X and Generation Y/Millennial females.

Boomer women didn't automatically expect to be working women during their lifetimes. When I was in high school in the late 1990s/early 2000s, early Millennial women had the mindset that they would be spending the majority of their lives as working women.

Many Boomer women were more dependent on males and had to marry more ordinary because they were good provider males. Some Boomer women divorced their husbands during the 1980s-early 2000s divorce boom. The Boomer women that did stay married 30 and 40+ years often feel as you describe.



Boomer women mostly got married in the 1970s-early 1980s, when no fault divorce was being enacted by most states. Boomer women were not nearly as trapped as some predecessor generation women. There were many Boomer divorces over the decades.

There were Boomer women that did stay in mediocre marriages.



I don't get that either. Boomer dads have often wanted their mainly Millennial daughters to have more feminist leanings and be less attractive to males. Millennial women have had lower marriage and lower fertility rates. I wonder why.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Uh, yes it does.

Too much time hanging around The Manosphere may have conned you into thinking so, same way spending enough time in The pews Of The People's Temple back in the day duped lots of folks into believing that Jim Jones was anything more than a plagiarist and a crank

 

[Manure Spherian]

Too much time hanging around The Manosphere may have conned you into thinking so, same way spending enough time in The pews Of The People's Temple back in the day duped lots of folks into believing that Jim Jones was anything more than a plagiarist and a crank

Nope. I was aware of how women ape what is presented to them as fashionable and trendy, especially by the adult establishment and the media before the Manure Sphere (see my name here), much of which is garbage.

The only pro-male people whose content I consume are very serious people (Dr. Stephen Baskerville, F. Roger Devlin, Dr. Helen Smith, Dr. Janice Famiengo, Dr. Warren Farrell, and some others too politically-incorrect to mention).

 

[BaronOfHair]

The only pro-male people whose content I consume are very serious people (Dr. Stephen Baskerville, F. Roger Devlin... Dr. Janice Famiengo, Dr. Warren Farrell).

Your mind has been f-cked more raw than Danny Masterson's anus by now. You have my(And I'm sure everyone else here's)pity