The natural state of a man= SIMP

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It's in our nature. Although I love SS ,it's still an extreme niche site. Most men (like 90%) are bluepilled. Even the men who entered the space will soon after their stay resort back to their bluepilled tendencies!! The only reason why a man finds the redpill is due to a woman acting up on him some way. Otherwise most men would HAPPILY and even proud be saying they only slept with 1 girl and she is Still with him.

Not too long ago ot was all throughout mankind considered normal that a man would fight another man to the death over a woman's honor. I'm talking " small " shyte like cussing a woman out ir even just loudly arguing type shyte could get you killed by a man who happened to take notice.

It's ingrained in our hearts and souls. Perhaps some men will find peace once they admit this. I am not saying that it's a correct way of thinking . But I do say that the bluepill is more natural state than the red one.
 
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HARD disagree. The natural state is one of complete confidence and doing whatever the fvck pleases you with zero regard for anything else.

Men are turned into the simps we see today through conditioning by parents, school environment, work environment and society. Slowly over several years of exposure these limitations are imposed upon our free expression, turning us into the fake "pleasers" many of us become.

Some have it worse than others, perhaps through very restrictive parenting or a restrictive school environment. The earlier it happens to us, the worse it is. The more our expression is restricted, as in the worse the consequences of expressing oneself freely, the worse this problem becomes later in life.

Guys who have parents who support and encourage free expression are much more likely to turn into what we call naturals, the confident guys who never had to learn "game" to get good at it, they "just are". They have it from their earliest influencers, their parents and gain the support to better withstand the external influences that seeks to limit their expression.

The way to find peace is not to add more on top of the pile of sh!t. It's to peel it all away to go back to the natural state, the one we were born with, the one where we didn't give a fvck about anyone and only did what we felt like doing. Before anyone told us how to behave and punish us for not living up to THEIR expectations.

We are not born as simps, quite the opposite in fact. We get turned into that by conditioning that serves the interests of others at the expense of ourselves.

Turning myself from a simp into a man was much more about unlearning bad sh!t I had been taught than it was about learning stuff I wasn't taught.

Women acting up on this is often just a trigger for a man to start figuring out what the hell is going on. Sure was for me and it led me down the rabbit hole to realizing I had it in me all along, I just got fvcked up along the way and that was my wake up call. I had simply forgotten who I truly am and it sure as fvck wasn't this pathetic excuse for a man I had become, sh!t just happened and I was just poorly equipped to deal with it when it occurred because my parents didn't do their fvcking job...
 

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I think that oversimplifies things. There’s a spectrum to what people consider simping; for instance, sending a supportive message like “I hope you get better” doesn’t mean a man is weak or submissive. Online communities often label a lot of behaviors as simping when interacting with women, even to those romantic interest that reciprocate these actions.

Also, claiming that most men will revert to bluepilled tendencies overlooks the personal growth that can occur as they learn about healthier relationship dynamics, something that many vets here already understand.

In reality, I don’t believe it’s a natural state, but we often go out of our way for others even when the interest isn’t reciprocated. As I mentioned before, we seek validation and acceptance as social creatures, so these seemingly submissive actions often stem from a desire for approval and genuine affection, which applies to both genders in interactions with friends, acquaintances, and romantic lovers. This happens a lot when we are younger and trying to find ourselves and be proud on who we are.
 
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It's in our nature. Although I love SS ,it's still an extreme niche site. Most men (like 90%) are bluepilled. Even the men who entered the space will soon after their stay resort back to their bluepilled tendencies!! The only reason why a man finds the redpill is due to a woman acting up on him some way. Otherwise most men would HAPPILY and even proud be saying they only slept with 1 girl and she is Still with him.

Not too long ago ot was all throughout mankind considered normal that a man would fight another man to the death over a woman's honor. I'm talking " small " shyte like cussing a woman out ir even just loudly arguing type shyte could get you killed by a man who happened to take notice.

It's ingrained in our hearts and souls. Perhaps some men will find peace once they admit this. I am not saying that it's a correct way of thinking . But I do say that the bluepill is more natural state than the red one.
Yep, becoming attractive to the opposite sex requires that we become skillful and practice regularly, just like getting ahead in our careers does
 

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Most men (like 90%) are bluepilled. Even the men who entered the space will soon after their stay resort back to their bluepilled tendencies!!
The man with the highest notch count that I know in real life is very blue pilled. He put up a triple digit notch count on the strength of being a 6'4" guy who was a former NCAA athlete in a country club sport.

Despite his abilities to get women to have sex with him, he developed a bad case of one-itis. He's now a suburban homeowner henpecked husband.

How does a man go from nightlife venue seducer with a triple digit notch count to henpecked husband?

This is the beta-ization that tends to happen in LTRs/marriages. I'm not sure he was ever truly red pilled but he did embrace the blue pill ideology.
 

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The natural state of a man is being a leader, hunting for food, fighting in battles, having many offspring, and plenty of options with women.

Agendas have turned men into simps.
 

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HARD disagree. The natural state is one of complete confidence and doing whatever the fvck pleases you with zero regard for anything else.
Not so sure about that. Arguably, 90% of men are betas. In fact, if you define alphas as the top 10% of the population, it's natural for 90% men to be betas. Nature needs there to be followers. You can't have 100 leaders with no followers.
 

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The natural state of a man is being a leader, hunting for food, fighting in battles, having many offspring, and plenty of options with women.

Agendas have turned men into simps.
Look I get it. We as men might supposedly be this. But I don't see any proof of that in reality.

What I do see however, is that:
-a man will ditch his entire existence for women /a woman.
9 a man will marry a stranger and risk half his assest.
- men don't have any option but to let a woman wall over them ( happy wife happy life)
- men will pay to feed a strange woman in hopes to get her validation

And so much more. Tbh it's almost impossible to name one man who is not a simp by nature. Even famous men.

One of the most "alpha man " according to his lifestyle in combination with his status is L di caprio and even this man is highly sus ,his past, his forced decision to only date women younger than 25 .

I don't have an agenda I just observe.
 

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It's in our nature. Although I love SS ,it's still an extreme niche site. Most men (like 90%) are bluepilled. Even the men who entered the space will soon after their stay resort back to their bluepilled tendencies!! The only reason why a man finds the redpill is due to a woman acting up on him some way. Otherwise most men would HAPPILY and even proud be saying they only slept with 1 girl and she is Still with him.

Not too long ago ot was all throughout mankind considered normal that a man would fight another man to the death over a woman's honor. I'm talking " small " shyte like cussing a woman out ir even just loudly arguing type shyte could get you killed by a man who happened to take notice.

It's ingrained in our hearts and souls. Perhaps some men will find peace once they admit this. I am not saying that it's a correct way of thinking . But I do say that the bluepill is more natural state than the red one.
Some few selected are born with innate potential leader qualities; others - the masses are just sheep and followers.
Its the way of the world since its first dawn.

However; kings are not born, they are made through many years of education, hard word and life experience learnt.

A king Isn't Born, He is made.jpg
 

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If you believe that some deity snaped his fingers and man was created, nothing I am about to say will make any sense to you.

Human beings evolved as social animals, and we have been in existence 300,000 thousand of years. We have only had about 6,000 years of recorded history when civilization formed. So 98% of human history is lost, and in that first 249,000 years human beings had to literally fight monsters, and other human tribes, with our only advantage being our advanced brains, ability to adapt, with the willingness and ability to work as collective groups. This is how we survived.

Since we are a sexual dimorphic species, with males being physically stronger, being a distinct advantage in an uncivilized environment where things like sabretooth tigers had to be fought off... in fact archeological evidence indicates that the beast that killed most early humans is an animal that still exists... leopards. Leopards are extremely suited for hunting primates, they can climb trees, swim, and pretty much get to any human trying to get away. But big cats, lions in Africa, tigers in Asia, cougars in the Americas, were early man's biggest threat. In fact, the sound of a tiger roaring today still triggers an adrenaline rush in people, as a primal instinct, even with people who have never heard or seen a tiger before.

The only defense early man had in this environment was the ability to communicate complex ideas, work together as a team, function in a wide variety of environments, the ability to migrate long distances to escape things like droughts and changing weather conditions, and the intelligence to create and use tactics and weapons to confront these threats.

What determined the success of a 'tribe' was the willingness and ability of males to work together as a team, which included the willingness to sacrifice for the good of the group. Males are genetically driven to cooperate in an effort to shape the environment they are in. Females, because we are genetically formed to have children and take care of them in early life, they are not genetically suited for confronting a harsh environment. Early human communities were successful if females in the group were able to ADAPT to the environment they are in, and integrate with other females in the group for mutual assistance.

For a male in early human history to be successful, he had to be strong, and a team player putting the needs of the group ahead of their own. We still see this today with bullying with male children. The boys that get bullied are the ones that are weak, and or not willing to comport to the group culture. It is lizard brain sh1t, a boy that is bullied will continue to be bullied until they fight back or modify their behavior to comport to the group. Girls that get bullied by other girls are those that do not comport to the female friend group... humans are particularly susceptible to peer pressure. Loners and introverts did not survive in early human history.

Males survived by being strong and clever enough to operate as a collective group: females survived by building relationships with other females while attaching herself to a strong male.... her advantage was not strength, it was the ability to emotionally manipulate the group. Again, this is all lizard brain sh1t, that runs in the background like an operating system on a computer. Even though these traits are no longer important in civilized culture, it is still genetically encoded.

Now that the early human sociology lesson is done... the OP is correct to a point. the lizard brain in the modern female is automatically attracted to males that exhibit leadership traits and/or the social acuity to successfully function effectively in the group, strength, and the willingness to sacrifice. A male that is strong but doesn't have social traits (which is willingness to sacrifice for the needs of the group) is not going to have long term success with women. So what the OP calls 'simping' (i.e. willingness to sacrifice individual wants for the needs of a group) is part of the genetic male make-up. First and foremost the early female wanted the leader, but not everyone can get the leader, but getting on the good side of the females attached to leaders, was a good survival tactic... so those females that did not get with the leader would be attracted to the males that had good relationships with the leader... having a good relationship with the leader has a direct correlation to the willingness of the subordinate male to sacrifice for the leader and the group. Females attached to subordinate males had to ALWAYS have a back-up plan because this was a dangerous environment and anytime a group of males went out to hunt, there was a good chance her male would not return.

However, while this trait was an important part of early human development, in modern civilization what the OP calls 'simping' is a sign of weakness, because in modern culture, simps just get used because there is no longer a personal connection with the social group... so the modern male human has to walk that fine line, they have to demonstrate some 'simp' characteristics. You can do this by giving, only when you get reciprocity. Someone that gives and gives and gives and expects nothing in return is just wearing a sign on his back that says "Thank you sir, can I have another!"
 

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Not so sure about that. Arguably, 90% of men are betas. In fact, if you define alphas as the top 10% of the population, it's natural for 90% men to be betas. Nature needs there to be followers. You can't have 100 leaders with no followers.
Turns into betas, turns into. I'm not really arguing against how it has turned out in adult life.
 

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One of the issues now is we spend more time around the women we are in relationships with then our ancestors did.
Hell some people working remotely are constantly around there wives now.
 

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Turns into betas, turns into. I'm not really arguing against how it has turned out in adult life.
Up untill puberty a man(boy) is what described, or at least he might be more fearless. Soon as he loses virginity, around 13/ 16 , he might start becoming a simp, or at least find out he's rather a simp and it just happens naturally.

Unfortunately. If men indeed were alpha by heart we wouldn't be in this predicament today.
 

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One of the issues now is we spend more time around the women we are in relationships with then our ancestors did.
Hell some people working remotely are constantly around there wives now.
Too much togetherness leads to getting tired of each other.

Hell, the thought of sleeping in the same bed as a woman disgusts me (I like to sleep with a woman figuratively...but not literally)
 

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One of the issues now is we spend more time around the women we are in relationships with then our ancestors did.
Hell some people working remotely are constantly around there wives now.
I like to compare a relationship/ltr with having a car: the more you use it the quicker it will break down.

Even if we could somehow see the future in a magic ball, still most man would sign for a 3 year ltr inc dramatic ending ,being cheated on while getting divorceraped.
 

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Up untill puberty a man(boy) is what described, or at least he might be more fearless. Soon as he loses virginity, around 13/ 16 , he might start becoming a simp, or at least find out he's rather a simp and it just happens naturally.

Unfortunately. If men indeed were alpha by heart we wouldn't be in this predicament today.
Men lost their heart and that is the core of the issue, it was always there, but many lost it. Nothing in the entire fvcking world is going to convince me otherwise.
 

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Men lost their heart and that is the core of the issue, it was always there, but many lost it. Nothing in the entire fvcking world is going to convince me otherwise.
I do like your point of view. Personally it's one I use on a daily basis .

But I've also learned that most men I've encountered move the exact opposite way. Being a simp is actually " social proof" that you are ..whatever, able to get and a woman.

Your way of thinking is rare. Gotta be real about that. At this point I'm TRYING to not lose respect for a man when he's a simp, because as I said , 90 % of men are, including family members like brothers, uncles ect.
 

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I do like your point of view. Personally it's one I use on a daily basis .

But I've also learned that most men I've encountered move the exact opposite way. Being a simp is actually " social proof" that you are ..whatever, able to get and a woman.

Your way of thinking is rare. Gotta be real about that. At this point I'm TRYING to not lose respect for a man when he's a simp, because as I said , 90 % of men are, including family members like brothers, uncles ect.
Well, their success with women should mean nothing to you because you're not a woman looking for a man in them. So I'd say it's kinda weird if your respect for them is based on the way they connect with women instead of how they connect to you, one man to another.

I know plenty of simps, but their ability to interact with women is entirely irrelevant to me. Some have other skills, some are just a bit insecure but have a pretty good personality making them great friends. I respect the things I value in another man, the things that makes him a good friend and adds value to my life.
 
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