My trip to Europe, impressions

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I recently travelled to Europe for two weeks and here is a short of my observation.

I was in Vienna, Bratislava, Ostrawa, and Warsaw. First and foremost, I always imagined that I am going to be impressed visiting Europe, but I got shocked and disgusted. Vienna, they have a big rainbow flag right at the main train station, you sitting drinking coffee and outside the window there are homeless, some are sleeping others are throwing up. Graffiti everywhere, even on historic buildings. Supermarkets are too few. Prices Dubai, but you are not in Dubai. The general feeling I got from Europe is like from some 3rd world country.

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Warsaw was the worst offender. They have everything Vienna has, high prices, graffiti everywhere, rainbow flags, homeless, etc.. But what got me the most was lack of supermarkets. At first I thought I was searching google maps wrong, but no, I wasn't. They have a lot of small convinience shops, and no more than a couple of supermarkets. Those that are proper supermarkets, don't even come close in selection to what I have in my city. My city -- 7 proper supermarkets within a walking distance from my place. Warsaw -- 4 convinience stores / mini markets within same walking distance. Plus the prices, you buy a few things and it's already 80 zloti, for same money in my city I walk out with one large bag of food.

Not everything is bad though. Europe has excellent salami and other cured meat and excellent beer.

Fuel prices are around 1.5 euros, 3 plus times more that what I have at home.

After my trip I began appreciating my own country a lot more. Europe, I don't know why it is 1st world or premium, or people talk about it in good light always. It is an expensive s* hole, it looked more like 3rd world country to me. Perhaps it was excellent sometime ago, but not now.

This is so to speak, my own first hand experience. I wouldn't beleive anyone who wrote something like this prior to going there myself.

There is also youtube channel I'm subbed to, German in Venice, and he was in Germany recently, in his own home town, his experiences are about the same as mine.
 

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I recently travelled to Europe for two weeks and here is a short of my observation.

I was in Vienna, Bratislava, Ostrawa, and Warsaw. First and foremost, I always imagined that I am going to be impressed visiting Europe, but I got shocked and disgusted. Vienna, they have a big rainbow flag right at the main train station, you sitting drinking coffee and outside the window there are homeless, some are sleeping others are throwing up. Graffiti everywhere, even on historic buildings. Supermarkets are too few. Prices Dubai, but you are not in Dubai. The general feeling I got from Europe is like from some 3rd world country.

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Warsaw was the worst offender. They have everything Vienna has, high prices, graffiti everywhere, rainbow flags, homeless, etc.. But what got me the most was lack of supermarkets. At first I thought I was searching google maps wrong, but no, I wasn't. They have a lot of small convinience shops, and no more than a couple of supermarkets. Those that are proper supermarkets, don't even come close in selection to what I have in my city. My city -- 7 proper supermarkets within a walking distance from my place. Warsaw -- 4 convinience stores / mini markets within same walking distance. Plus the prices, you buy a few things and it's already 80 zloti, for same money in my city I walk out with one large bag of food.

Not everything is bad though. Europe has excellent salami and other cured meat and excellent beer.

Fuel prices are around 1.5 euros, 3 plus times more that what I have at home.

After my trip I began appreciating my own country a lot more. Europe, I don't know why it is 1st world or premium, or people talk about it in good light always. It is an expensive s* hole, it looked more like 3rd world country to me. Perhaps it was excellent sometime ago, but not now.

This is so to speak, my own first hand experience. I wouldn't beleive anyone who wrote something like this prior to going there myself.

There is also youtube channel I'm subbed to, German in Venice, and he was in Germany recently, in his own home town, his experiences are about the same as mine.
Sounds like it wasn't the most memorable Eurotrip
in living memory
 

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I still don’t understand why people spend their money to go to these places. I’d rather invest in an all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, where I don’t have to cook or clean. They make my bed, I log off the world by having limited phone signal, and I can eat, drink, swim, and take naps to my heart’s content while enjoying various activities.
 

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Looking forward to his review of Asia. I hear Pyongyang has far fewer Wal Marts than Peoria.
And that tweens in Bangkok make even the sluttiest American adolescents look like billboards for wholesomeness, by comparison :eek: :rolleyes:
 

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I went to Europe as well for 3 weeks this summer and loved it...other than AC wasn't everywhere when it was needed.

If you are looking for Utopia, it doesn't exist. Every place has its own issues they are dealing with.
 

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The 'first world' Europe that is well-known abroad is Western Europe, the wealthiest part of Europe. Countries like the Netherlands, West Germany, and France are some of the wealthier countries where the standard of living far exceeds that of the United States. Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are favourite holiday destinations with great food, wonderful architecture and outdoor life due to the warm climate.

And then there's the part of Europe where OP @sevbucmash went:
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Central Europe is a mixed bag: some countries like Poland and Romania are only for people with a particular taste, but Hungary and Czech Republic are wonderful countries. The more you go to the east, the heavier the Soviet influence, although some of those countries like Moldova are not just gorgeous, but also often used as retreats/spas, so they didn't get fvcked up like Ukraine and Belarus.

So, for a European it's incredibly funny when a foreigner looking for Europe spends two weeks in a few cities in the poorer part of Central Europe that are not very reputable and bases his opinion on Europe on the lack of supermarkets and how expensive everything was in tourist trap Vienna (which lies close to Central Europe, but is actually part of Western Europe).

This is akin to a Central European judging 'America' based on a visit to Nebraska and Idaho with a brief visit to Nashville and bitching how expensive Memphis is in comparison to your supermarket in Warsaw.

Really, @sevbucmash, if you think Vienna was expensive, you'll have an inkling how expensive life is in the rest of Western Europe, especially in tourist destinations like Amsterdam, Rome or Barcelona. The prices for coffee in Paris or gasoline in the Netherlands will really hurt your wallet.
Yeah...I can attest to that...the parking is outrageous in Amsterdam...paid 21 Euros for like an hour and a half in a museum parking lot.

In general, things are probably more expensive than in the US, especially fuel and energy costs, but the houses are also much smaller in general and you aren't driving as far usually or walk/take public transportation to a lot of places.

Europeans also seem to have less "stuff" than Americans so it may be less expensive simply because they don't "need" all the things Americans think they need.

Also, OP should go to Luxembourg and go ride for free on their brand new Mercedes buses and let me know what a "sh!t hole" he thinks it is there...one of the richest countries in Europe, maybe you should have gone there OP since you didn't seem to go to see the history there.
 
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The 'first world' Europe that is well-known abroad is Western Europe, the wealthiest part of Europe. Countries like the Netherlands, West Germany, and France are some of the wealthier countries where the standard of living far exceeds that of the United States. Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece are favourite holiday destinations with great food, wonderful architecture and outdoor life due to the warm climate.

And then there's the part of Europe where OP @sevbucmash went:
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Central Europe is a mixed bag: some countries like Poland and Romania are only for people with a particular taste, but Hungary and Czech Republic are wonderful countries. The more you go to the east, the heavier the Soviet influence, although some of those countries like Moldova are not just gorgeous, but also often used as retreats/spas, so they didn't get fvcked up like Ukraine and Belarus.

So, for a European it's incredibly funny when a foreigner looking for Europe spends two weeks in a few cities in the poorer part of Central Europe that are not very reputable and bases his opinion on Europe on the lack of supermarkets and how expensive everything was in tourist trap Vienna (which lies close to Central Europe, but is actually part of Western Europe).

This is akin to a Central European judging 'America' based on a visit to Nebraska and Idaho with a brief visit to Nashville and bitching how expensive Memphis is in comparison to their supermarket in Warsaw.

Really, @sevbucmash, if you think Vienna was expensive, you'll have an inkling how expensive life is in the rest of Western Europe, especially in tourist destinations like Amsterdam, Rome or Barcelona. The prices for coffee in Paris or gasoline in the Netherlands will really hurt your wallet.
I agree to a certain extent. I've heard great things about Madrid, Lisbon, and Copenhagen. I have also encountered negative opinions about Paris, Florence, and the Scottish cuisine. What I'm trying to say is that it's impossible to categorize Western Europe as a whole, given its incredible diversity. There are thriving nations, but some are facing significant challenges, like Greece.

Maybe because I live in a first-class city I haven’t felt the inclination to visit another city, especially the ones from Western Europe that resemble where I live. However, I’ll admit that I can't afford an all-inclusive resort in Mallorca or Santorini. That's why I enjoy my trips to Puerto Vallarta, where I can relax without the need to do any chores.
 

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I agree to a certain extent. I've heard great things about Madrid, Lisbon, and Copenhagen. I have also encountered negative opinions about Paris, Florence, and the Scottish cuisine. What I'm trying to say is that it's impossible to categorize Western Europe as a whole, given its incredible diversity. There are thriving nations, but some are facing significant challenges, like Greece.

Maybe because I live in a first-class city I haven’t felt the inclination to visit another city, especially the ones from Western Europe that resemble where I live. However, I’ll admit that I can't afford an all-inclusive resort in Mallorca or Santorini. That's why I enjoy my trips to Puerto Vallarta, where I can relax without the need to do any chores.
Loved Paris.
 

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Apparently is completely different from how they portrait it in films and tv shows, especially hygiene and crime rate wise.
Similar to Hollywood's portrayal of NYC. Catching up with a train via car chase is never as possible as it was in The French Connection
 

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or Barcelona
There was a joke I heard recently about Barselona. Two people arguing online. You have to buy special bag in Barselona, which you wear on the front, so that your crap don't get stolen, but in United Arab Emirates everyone leaves their iPhones on the beach and goes swimming. The other person defends Barselona. The other side, in Barselona two men can walk holding hands and kiss and nobody will touch them, in United Arab Emirates they will be stonned to death.

So :zip::zip: that means Barselona doesn't even have a chance.


Loved Paris.
No! :eek:
 

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I wouldn’t know. Apparently is completely different from how they portrait it in films and tv shows, especially hygiene and crime rate wise.
The rude Parisian stereotype didn't hold true for me. Of course any huge city will have rude people. I found Parisians very nice and welcoming. It helps to make an effort and speak a word or two in French. Besides that it's an incredibly charming city with top notch cuisine and wine.
 

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I’d rather invest in an all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, where I don’t have to cook or clean. They make my bed, I log off the world by having limited phone signal, and I can eat, drink, swim, and take naps to my heart’s content while enjoying various activities.
And if you walk through the "right" parts of Kingston or Santa Domingo after dark, the locals will relieve you of that content heart, then offer it up to the Iwa or the Santos. Life rarely gets THAT entertaining in Hamburg or Marseille




The other side, in Barselona two men can walk holding hands and kiss and nobody will touch them, in United Arab Emirates they will be stonned to death
Ferociously as I'm sure we all disagree with their tactics, it's increasingly tough to not wonder https://nationalpost.com/opinion/im...-doug-ford-for-avoiding-torontos-pride-parade if the folks in UAE aren't on to something
 

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I still don’t understand why people spend their money to go to these places. I’d rather invest in an all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean like Jamaica or Dominican Republic, where I don’t have to cook or clean. They make my bed, I log off the world by having limited phone signal, and I can eat, drink, swim, and take naps to my heart’s content while enjoying various activities.
Not sure I would call having to wipe your ass and then put the toilet paper in a trash can instead of flushing it down the toilet a great time...

I mean sure the room might be nice but how long before that vile smell from the bathroom starts wafting in?

Or going to a resort and ending up dead because of them tampering with the alcohol like has happened multiple times in the DR recently.

As to why you would go to Europe?

Gee ..I don't know...thousands of years of culture, history, seeing all the famous places you've learned about in person brought to life, etc?

Can't wait to explore other places in Europe next year...literally have already started planning the next trip to different countries, probably starting in Italy or Spain.
 

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And if you walk through the "right" parts of Kingston or Santa Domingo after dark, the locals will relieve you of that content heart, then offer it up to the Iwa or the Santos. Life rarely gets THAT entertaining in Hamburg or Marseille
Even though these cities have safe areas, I am pretty sure you can be robbed if you walk around Manchester or Naples after dark. Marseille is known for their violence and drug-related crime :| What a stupid comment.


Not sure I would call having to wipe your ass and then put the toilet paper in a trash can instead of flushing it down the toilet a great time...

I mean sure the room might be nice but how long before that vile smell from the bathroom starts wafting in?

Or going to a resort and ending up dead because of them tampering with the alcohol like has happened multiple times in the DR recently.

As to why you would go to Europe?

Gee ..I don't know...thousands of years of culture, history, seeing all the famous places you've learned about in person brought to life, etc?

Can't wait to explore other places in Europe next year...literally have already started planning the next trip to different countries, probably starting in Italy or Spain.
I think it’s a matter of personal preference, but since I live in Canada, I can choose to sightsee in places like Quebec City (the oldest city in North America), Banff (a stunning national park known for its breathtaking mountains and outdoor activities), St. John's in Newfoundland (famous for its colorful row houses and excellent whale-watching opportunities), or Montreal and Toronto if I’m looking for the metropolitan experience.

I’m not trying to criticize your tastes, and I hope you have a great time exploring what Europe has to offer. I am sure there is nice places to go over all that continent.
 

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Even though these cities have safe areas, I am pretty sure you can be robbed if you walk around Manchester or Naples after dark. Marseille is known for their violence and drug-related crime :| What a stupid comment.




I think it’s a matter of personal preference, but since I live in Canada, I can choose to sightsee in places like Quebec City (the oldest city in North America), Banff (a stunning national park known for its breathtaking mountains and outdoor activities), St. John's in Newfoundland (famous for its colorful row houses and excellent whale-watching opportunities), or Montreal and Toronto if I’m looking for the metropolitan experience.

I’m not trying to criticize your tastes, and I hope you have a great time exploring what Europe has to offer. I am sure there is nice places to go over all that continent.
I mean I know Quebec might be a little over 400 years old but you go to most European cities and you are seeing buildings standing from the 11th and 12rh century if not older.

I mean the "youngest" city I went to while I was there was Amsterdam which dates to around 1000 AD. Trier was from the 5th century BC, Paris from the 3rd century BC, etc...

"Old" over there carries a much different connotation than it does in North America outside of perhaps some places in Mexico.
 

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I mean I know Quebec might be a little over 400 years old but you go to most European cities and you are seeing buildings standing from the 11th and 12rh century if not older.

I mean the "youngest" city I went to while I was there was Amsterdam which dates to around 1000 AD. Trier was from the 5th century BC, Paris from the 3rd century BC, etc...

"Old" over there carries a much different connotation than it does in North America outside of perhaps some places in Mexico.
I’ll take your word it. It sounds cool to see those buildings and the history they carry. It might be something I should experience some day.
 

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