Unpopular "Game" Opinons!

[Solomon]

This isn't a complaint, just my personal experience. I know we're all different, and while that used to be understood, it seems like in today's "snowflake" era, it's something that has to be explicitly stated. These are unpopular opinions, and I'm simply offering my perspective.

For those who don't know me, between 2008 and 2013, I approached roughly 3,000 women I used to post a lot of field reports on here (But moreso on another game website which has been defunct a long time ago) and even had a free ebook sharing some of those insights. However, for privacy reasons, that ebook is no longer available. I'm not here to sell you anything—just sharing my opinion.

@Grandma Penkitten will tell you that I was Game obsessed kid who lived and breathed for hitting "The Field" Obviously I'm older now so my view on women, life, finances etc has completely changed

In the bold are the popular opinions but below I explain why it doesn't work (well for me anyway)

1. Use Text Only To Set Up Dates

This approach works well in a situationship or even a long-term relationship (LTR), but in my experience, it can lead to being ghosted or flaked on if you're trying to meet someone via online dating (OLD) or just in general for the first time. I get the logic—many of us work 8-12 hours a day (sometimes even 16 for myself), and we don't have time to be texting constantly. However, from what I've seen, if a woman is highly interested, she'll make the effort to blow up your phone with texts, whether it's to check in, send pictures, or just stay in touch(The amount of women who will sent a guy dirty pics without meeting them is higher than ever lmfao)

I have found that texting women has actually helped to reduce my flaking reduction as it shows her your interested. Once again when I get a woman's number whether in person or the field my goal is to meet her ASAP (usually within 1-10 days max there are exceptions to the rule of course) The key is not to over-text or come off as too needy.

2. Text A woman If She Flakes a Week(or a month) Later

Why waste your time? If a woman doesn’t make a strong or decent counter-offer, as the legend Jophill says: “Do not give a woman a second chance to flake on you again.” Why chase after someone who showed poor behavior the first time? If she flaked but made a solid counteroffer, then sure, go for it. But waiting around for a week, especially if you've got things going on(you should have things going on)—your job, friends, hobbies, or other options—just isn’t necessary. I get it most guys have limited options, but when you allow a woman to disrespect you like that they will do it again!

If you don’t have other options, get some. A genuinely interested woman won’t let a week go by without contacting you. Women have so many options, it's crazy. I’ve reached out to women a month later in the past, and they didn’t even remember who I was or left me on read or I'm blocked! Of course, this mainly applies to women you haven’t hung out with yet(OLD Dating). If you’ve already spent time together or been on a few dates, and she’s interested, you won’t need to wait—she’ll reach out, or better yet, make a counter-offer to make it up to you!

3. Body Count

While I agree that a high body count isn't ideal and can make it harder to form strong pair bonds, expecting a low body count in 2025 is just not realistic. Yes, I know Gen-Z is having less sex, but if you're in your 30s or older(heck even 25+) Unless a woman has been in a long-term relationship (LTR) for a while or is a virgin, most women will have some experience. This is one of the most delusional takes in the Red Pill community right now. On the positive side as mentioned earlier Gen-Z isn't having a lot of sex. If you watch these lame Redpill podcasts it will have you believing every woman is a thot or on Onlyfans. This is not a mirror to real life but the outliers

The reality is that the average woman often has a higher body count than the average man. It's one thing to want a virgin if you're in your 20s, but if you're 30+ and still expecting that, you sound out of touch(and even that is being generous). Good luck finding a virgin in America. Am I saying you should date or marry a woman with a high body count? No. I'm just saying it's important to be realistic. Nothing is more delusional than hearing a guy claim to have slept with 100+ women but expect to find a virgin to settle down with as his wife. We have seen how that worked out for some popular Redpill dating coaches and it didn't end well.

4.Don't Delete/Blocked A woman Who Disrespects You Of Social Media

Deleting her number or of social media doesn’t mean she has power over you! What power? If she flaked, ghosted, or you guys broke up—who cares if you delete her? She already exercised her power by disrespecting your ass! Every time I hear this reasoning, it screams of revenge of the nerds, scarcity mindset, or leaving the door open for a woman who showed low interest or poor behavior. The truth is, women won’t hesitate to block you after a failed relationship or even interaction etc. IF Men had the same mindset the dating market would course correct in some aspects but most men are thirsty(speaking from experince ha ha)I had a plate recently tell me she was going to block me because I kept flaking on her—and guess what? The next time I flaked, she did block me. I deleted her number and moved on.

Even if you manage to reconnect a year or a month later, how does it feel knowing you were just a backup option at best, the "clean-up guy"? Some guys say, “You don’t have to delete her, just mute her from seeing your stories.” What’s the point then? The real power is in not doing all this extra stuff to pretend like you’re not bothered.

Sorry, but deleting a woman from social media who was never interested or disrespected you—and probably never will be—is not a loss in my book. It’s about principle and self-respect. As a man, when we talk about walking away, it means you walk away for real. None of this pickup artist nonsense about keeping her on social media and hoping she reaches out on a lonely night. All that does is give her another chance to disrespect you. No thanks—I’ll pass.

5. High Earning Value Men Don't Cheat They exercise their options

I blame Red Pill gurus for spreading this nonsense Of being High Value the new version of being Alpha. I won't get into it deep as I could write 10 pages on this nonsense alone as most of the guys who speak this nonsense aren't high-value themselves but high-earning dorks at best. Try to “out-alpha” your way to a judge in divorce court and tell them "Hey Judge Peabody I was just exercising my options! Derp derp derp" and see how that works. When Bezos cheated, he lost billions. Gates? Same thing. Even if you manage to get a woman to agree to this, do you really think she’s not seeing other guys on the side? A lot of men have this fantasy of pseudo-poly relationships where it’s “open on my end, but closed on hers." like their favorite Anime and Young men are falling for this b.s.

Most guys reading this can barely handle one woman, yet they believe being a “High-value man” will somehow land them an anime-style harem.

Feel free to add on

 

[BPH]

1. Use Text Only To Set Up Dates

I agree with what you said that this doesn't ONLY have to be used for setting up dates - having a normal conversation like a human being isn't going to get you friendzoned. I think where a lot of people go wrong is by letting the conversation get too friendly without inserting some flirting.

Personally, my habit is that I respond and I mirror. Sometimes they set up the meet, sometimes I do, but if a woman is texting me and it's not about making those plans it's not like I'm going to ghost her until it's time.

2. Text A woman If She Flakes a Week(or a month) Later

I agree that this is usually a waste of time. I won't bother texting and trying to set something up with somebody who's flaked, but if they're apologetic I'll sometimes put the ball in their court to let them show me they mean it by letting THEM plan the meet.

I can then choose to accept or decline. This usually works best if you have other options and are only keeping the conversation alive because SHE hit ME up after the flake, and while I have no expectations at that point I also have nothing to lose by giving her the chance to prove her interest.

3. Body Count

My stance on this is probably different than most because I don't want to be a hypocrite. My body count is rather high, so I'm not going to demonize a woman because of hers.

That might change when I'm looking for somebody to settle down with long-term, but for now, since I'm not looking for a relationship, so long as they're "clean" and not just an absolute degenerate who*e I'm not going to hold that against them.

4.Don't Delete/Blocked A woman Who Disrespects You Of Social Media

I didn't know guys are playing mind games to this extent...if you want to block somebody, do it - you shouldn't be worried about what THEY think of the block.

I rarely exercise this because I don't usually find somebody insufferable enough to remove all channels of contact with them, but it does happen. Do it for you, not for them.

5. High Earning Value Men Don't Cheat They exercise their options

Yeah I never really understood this one...I get that this appeals to the type of guy who likely isn't getting any sex, so the prospect of being able to "earn" their way to lots of sex is probably exciting.

OR...you could just be single and not enter into a relationship so you'll never be a cheater. I don't understand why that's foreign to so many people, including this board. I remember reading posts of some guys who try to justify their cheating habits, and I don't get it...just stay single.

 

[pipeman84]

Nothing is more delusional than hearing a guy claim to have slept with 100+ women but expect to find a virgin to settle down with as his wife.

How is it delusional for a guy who's fvcked 10 women, let alone 100 to expect a virgin to settle down with? I mean if there's isn't anything special about her, why would he settle down? Just think about it, if he's fvcked 20 women by age 35, why would he spend the next 35 years fvcking the same pvssy?

We have seen how that worked out for some popular Redpill dating coaches and it didn't end well.

What do you mean? As far as I'm aware there's no Redpill dating coach that married a virgin (and just between us, what virgin in her right mind would get involved with a dating coach )

 

[Solomon]

I assume you approached the majority of women on the weekends. Cause you were working on week days.

So for 5 years, you approached around 20 women every 2 days weekend. For 5 years straight!!!??? That's 5 years *2 days weekend * 12 months * 25 women

Pretty much you wasted 5 valuable years of your life chasing tail constantly instead of using that time to developing yourself to be a high value man, learning new skills, building something big like a business and following your passion.

New members who are reading this, do not do this, women will always gonna be there, there is a woman turning 18 years old every day, develop yourself first, build yourself first into a high value man first. Women are the icing not the focus in a man's life.

Sometimes I would go out 3-4 days a week, I have said it before had I used that energy to focus on myself I would be a multi-millionaire already. Luckily after 2013 I focused and now I'm doing better than ever

 

[Grandma Penkitten]

Questions - because I haven't be on here for a while:
1. What is body count? Obviously, I'm thinking of a military term that doesn't seem to flow here.
2. Isn't Redpill still a member ? Or is this some classification of gurus?

And a clarification- he was young when he started approaching all the ladies just to see how many would talk to him, give him a phone number, give him a date, etc.
Back then, the threads at the time were saying that it really was a number thing. The more you approach, the better you got at it. Every time you introduce yourself, you are your own salesman and you get better at selling the qualities you want people to see that you have.

 

[Isildur1]

2. follow ups can still work I've had women flake on me and came back into the fold months later with them commenting on my IG stories- if she flakes through text make sure you close on instagram you can re hook her with instagram stories https://mindful-masculinity.org/202...ial-media-guide-for-dating-and-relationships/

does this always work ? no but every now and then it does yield a result or two

 

[Isildur1]

I assume you approached the majority of women on the weekends. Cause you were working on week days.

So for 5 years, you approached around 20 women every 2 days weekend. For 5 years straight!!!??? That's 5 years *2 days weekend * 12 months * 25 women

Pretty much you wasted 5 valuable years of your life chasing tail constantly instead of using that time to developing yourself to be a high value man, learning new skills, building something big like a business and following your passion.

New members who are reading this, do not do this, women will always gonna be there, there is a woman turning 18 years old every day, develop yourself first, build yourself first into a high value man first. Women are the icing not the focus in a man's life.

chasing tail gives you life experience , reference experience which can be invaluable. Being lonely and having no experience with women can lead to issues as well.

plenty of high value men have no options sincerely because they don't approach enough - men need to approach - the younger they start approaching the more time they have to create options for themselves - I started cold approach at 26 - if I'd started when I was 18,19 I think I'd have excelled more in other areas of my life - instead I had a constant feeling of inadequacy until my first daygame lays started rolling in when I was 27 .

For every one man that approaches too much theres probably 1000 or so that don't approach enough too, or aren't improving their social skills or gaining confidence by meeting women

 

[Isildur1]

Sometimes I would go out 3-4 days a week, I have said it before had I used that energy to focus on myself I would be a multi-millionaire already. Luckily after 2013 I focused and now I'm doing better than ever

good on you for having a work ethic and committing to it. 99.9999 percent of men don't approach enough- I never got into the idea of shaming men for cold approaching too much.

 

[SW15]

Questions - because I haven't be on here for a while:
1. What is body count? Obviously, I'm thinking of a military term that doesn't seem to flow here.

The number of sex partners that a person has had in their lifetime.

On this forum, the term is used mainly to describe women's past partners. Notch count is more commonly used to describe

2. Isn't Redpill still a member ? Or is this some classification of gurus?

The red pill is an ideology about how men can have success in the mating environment.

 

[Grandma Penkitten]

So Redpill, the member, no longer posts here?

 

[SW15]

So Redpill, the member, no longer posts here?

I'm not aware of a member with that handle.

 

[Isildur1]

HVM have no options hahaha, where did you get that from?

So, in order to excell in all areas of your life you needed to get women? You needed the validation from women to excell?

How about you first develop yourself into a HVM, then when you have all the money, the best job/business, the best man you can be, how about you start approaching?

Nothing has to be one or the order, but in order to make something of yourself, women are last, many of men don't get that and they wonder why they're broke and have nothing going on of them.

I mean the definition of HVM is subjective in itself? what wage or net worth do you need to start cold approaching? I think cold approaching and social skills can build up peoples skillsets in other areas of their life too - once I started getting a couple of lays from daygame my sales skills skyrocketed in my day job - the confidence gained from cold approaching really helped in that regard

Yes I want validation from women and I enjoy dating them - I dated a lot of women from cold approach and it really enhanced my life a lot I feel the majority of men could benefit from doing more approaching and having positive reinforcement as it can really improve ones self confidence (it did a lot for mine) if I hadn't had done it and procrastinated over it I wouldn't have met my girlfriend of today whom my family loves and adores. Daygame can be invaluable when done right.

 

[Bingo-Player]

4.Don't Delete/Blocked A woman Who Disrespects You Of Social Media
Sorry, but deleting a woman from social media who was never interested or disrespected you—and probably never will be—is not a loss in my book. It’s about principle and self-respect. As a man, when we talk about walking away, it means you walk away for real. None of this pickup artist nonsense about keeping her on social media and hoping she reaches out on a lonely night. All that does is give her another chance to disrespect you. No thanks—I’ll pass.

Social media is a woman's playground not a mans , to think most men can out manouvere a woman on them is naive

The only time it works is if your profile is stronger than hers which 9/10 its not going to be , simply because just how easy it is for women to accrue followers compared to men

I don't even particularly like adding women on social media because of the above

I know sometimes depending on the chick you have too get her instagram or whatever but if I can avoid it I will

Once I've got it I'll open the interaction and start judging the replies , it becomes pretty obvious when a woman is not really that bothered because responses will be short , no questions will be asked and effort in replies will be minimal

Theres not hell of a lot you can do at this stage , in 2024 women are really not that bothered about men they don't really know theres just too many other options available for her too care

After that point its personal preference sometimes if I don't feel ike its going anywhere I'll just unfollow them and leave it at that

Sometimes I'll leave it and may respond to a story or something in the future

Very rarely will I block a chick unless she's been very disrespectful or especially irritated me

 

[Solomon]

Even notorious ladykillers like Warren Beatty bedded only about 1,200 women.
Lemmy from Motorhead never married and spoke at 66 about the mathematics of sleeping with 1,000 women (a newspaper claimed he'd slept with 2,000 women, which he denied as ridiculous).

I'm pretty sure @Solomon approached thousands of women, but I gather that most of those approaches didn't lead to sex.

I never said I slept with 3,000 women that is absolutely correct! Also an approach for me is as simple as talking to someone for 30 seconds. Some people may not consider that an approach but if you talk and meet a random stranger what is it?

The math is really simple from 24-29 go out an average of 2-4 times a week on average

If you go out 2 times a week that's 96 times a year
96X5(for years)=480 times going
3,000(approaches) divide that by 480= is 6.25 approaches per night​

Not sure why guys think this is not possible, My goal was to do 10 approaches a night. People have to understand the late 2000s early 2010s was different era. RSD was huge My RSD wing I hung out with from 2013-2015 would do double the approaches I did but he had a 50% clip as well when we hung out he only had a 25% clip when we didn't. It wasn't unusual to go out and do 10-20 approaches. once again let me state that I learned a lot during that time about women, nightlife, social circle games etc. However that time would have been better of utilized for learning how to invest in the stock market, and starting my LLC back then

Do I regret it? at times however I can't cry over spilled milk, also I had a ton of fun since I enjoy talking to women ha ha and I learned a lot about human nature (not just women) there are also a few members who went out with me who can vouch that I used to get busy in the field with approaching *shrugs*This field report basically explains my game to a tee when I used to do nightgame. My "Game" was to have fun, engage, sometimes you talk to a woman it wouldn't hook then you try again, and sometimes you use one woman to get the attention of others(social proof is a real thing). The best way to describe for me the club was like "Game Of Thrones" and I was Littlefinger. My strengths were opening and utlizing social proof it came in handy to get access to house parties, dorm parties, VIP, free drinks etc. By 2012 I was burned out. Went to Chicago in 2013 and it changed my life, I still have to write that experience down.

Spring Break 2012 Had My wing&girls on their knees doing the "Tebow"

^^This was from a street set I hooked late 2008(at night in a busy area), it was a white chick and a latina. I was able to bounce them to a local gas station to get some food. I dared them to make out with a hot dog in their mouth, lmfaooo tried to bounce both of them for a 3some but the latina wasn't having it. The white chick had a boyfriend, But it was a crazy night regardless

It was a different era

 

[Isildur1]

IMO, an 'approach' doesn't mean you spent hours talking a woman to spread her legs. Then again, I don't know how @Solomon approaches women and how much time he takes for each approach.

some approaches end in seconds due to the women instantly rejecting or saying she had a boyfriend - some on the other hand can go on for 10 -15 minutes if the woman invests in an interaction- I think I got my first daygame lay on my 90th approach but between that one and my first there were other sets that did yield dates but unfortunately the chemistry was **** on said dates and nothing came of it

general rule is majority of approaches fail - some turn into numbers which yield dates and a portion of those dates yield sex and a small portion of those women end up in LTRS or FWBs

 

[BaronOfHair]

Unless you're going to hire Black Cube to investigate every woman you have designs on, there's no way to know for sure what her body count is. Same way their's never a guarantee the waiter didn't s-it in that highly overpriced lasagna you just ordered at Spago's. Life is inherently filled with risks

 

[Bokanovsky]

Much of the old-school PUA advice didn't stand the test of time and turned out to be BS. A few examples:

1. "Call, don't text". This may have been good advice in the very early days of texting, before smartphones and blackberries, when you had to use the numerical keypad to input text (usually in short form). Back then, texting was considered kind of immature and something that only high school kids did. But that era ended 20+ years ago.

2. "By mysterious." This idea was promoted by the likes of Mystery. And by "being mysterious" they meant dressing in weird outfits, doing magic tricks, trying to throw girls off by asking strange questions, etc. In reality, those guys usually came across as weird and goofy rather than alluring and interesting.

3. Spam approaching, sarging, etc. Thankfully, this has become less common but it was a big thing back in the day. And I have no doubt it hurt more men than it helped. Spending hundreds of hours approaching thousands of women wth very little to show for it is hard on one's psyche and no way to build up confidence.

4. Wait "x" number of days before contacting her. This was once heavily promoted as an iron rule (the "x" varied depending on who you asked). This is a counterproductive strategy, especially when dealing with girls who have options and limited attention spans (which 100% of attractive girls these days).

 

[Solomon]

Much of the old-school PUA advice didn't stand the test of time and turned out to be BS. A few examples:

1. "Call, don't text". This may have been good advice in the very early days of texting, before smartphones and blackberries, when you had to use the numerical keypad to input text (usually in short form). Back then, texting was considered kind of immature and something that only high school kids did. But that era ended 20+ years ago.

2. "By mysterious." This idea was promoted by the likes of Mystery. And by "being mysterious" they meant dressing in weird outfits, doing magic tricks, trying to throw girls off by asking strange questions, etc. In reality, those guys usually came across as weird and goofy rather than alluring and interesting.

3. Spam approaching, sarging, etc. Thankfully, this has become less common but it was a big thing back in the day. And I have no doubt it hurt more men than it helped. Spending hundreds of hours approaching thousands of women wth very little to show for it is hard on one's psyche and no way to build up confidence.

4. Wait "x" number of days before contacting her. This was once heavily promoted as an iron rule (the "x" varied depending on who you asked). This is a counterproductive strategy, especially when dealing with girls who have options and limited attention spans (which 100% of attractive girls these days).

This post is spot on sir

"It's your fault" or "You didn't do this" aka "Game Will Solve everything"-Advised for guys who failed on a first date, While this may be true in a lot of situations sometimes it's not always the guy's fault for not doing something "Game" or even "attraction wise". I learned that if a woman is highly attracted to you, you can make petty mistakes as long as you don't **** up royally on a first date. I've also went on first dates where as soon as I saw a girl look at me like she was disinterested. The dates were either awkward, lack of energy or just down right bad nothing I coulda done to game them, even if my game was solid that night. What I have learned especially as I get older a lot of first dates fail not because of "Chemistry" (that's the term women like to use) but because of compatibility. It can be anything from communication, personalities, temperament, phyiscally heck even sexually, values etc. To many guys will say it's your fault you didn't "Game" her enough or you didn't escalate or kino etc. I've been in situations where I gamed my ass off and still didn't smash and if I've been in situations where I hardly did anything and took a girl back home on a first date. I've also been on dates where initially before the date even happend. I had a bad feeling or a feeling I couldn't shake. Those dates tend to go left, I don't get those often, but in those instances reflecting after I should have followed my instincts.

I myself was on a recent date with a beautiful woman however we were just not compatible with different personalities in regards to how we communicate. Men and women communicate completely differently and communication is huge not just for a first date but a relationship in general. If you go on a lot of first dates. You will meet a lot of women you may not be compatible with, due to one of the factors or others I mentioned above. I find the easiest women to date are ones that have a sense of humor similar to mine, are low key, and feminine

IMO the best way to vet for compatible is by asking probing questions before a date. If you got decent texting or phone game this shouldn't be hard to do without coming of like an interview. I doged a few bullets that way.

 

[Solomon]

She wouldn't flake on Bradd Pitt, Drake or Cristiano Ronaldo

I totally understand the premise of this; however, it has always struck me as funny or even borderline delusional. What do Brad, Drake, and Cristiano have in common? Yes, they’re all uber-wealthy, and yes, they’re all good-looking, but they also have social status/social proof on a global level. Most men will meet women who don’t know who they are, so why would she treat you like a star?

In social circles, this is a bit different. If you have social proof, she may know who you are and your value. However, comparing yourself to Brad Pitt and Cristiano Ronaldo has always made me laugh. I don’t see anything wrong with a man having self-respect and walking away from a flaky, unruly woman. Self-respect is key—something Brad didn’t have with Angelina or Drake with his baby mother.



Redpill Men(Or Incels) Weaponzing "Chad Or Tyrone To Shame Women"

I get it—good-looking guys have it easier. Newsflash: life isn’t fair, and it is what it is. What always irked me, though, is when I see Redpill men or "game" guys weaponize the "Chad/Tyrone" rhetoric against women to shame them. You see it all the time on this forum or in Redpill comments. Men want the best-looking women, and women want the best-looking men. I would never tell a guy to get with a woman he’s not attracted to, so why do men expect women to do the same? I get it modern women's standards are delusional, however, shaming women isn't going to make them want you. Once you understand how women operate and understand the duality of female dating strategy you should be able to use that to your advantage if you're putting in the work!

I get that women aren’t always going for their looks match anymore, but newsflash: Tyrone and Chad don’t just hook up with hotties—they also hook up with “fatties” and “uggos.” It’s an open secret that has been around for decades. It’s just more recognized now that Tyrone and Chad have a monopoly on dating apps. Tyrone and Chad's will bang anything not all but more than you expect espeically in a drought. But in the real world, if you’re a regular guy and you’ve got your stuff together, you can still succeed.



Women Will Submit When The World Burns

I used to laugh at this, but the reality is that MGTOW, Redpill, and especially Blackpill incels have this fantasy of WW3 or some major event that will force women to revert to their "lady" ways. Sorry, that’s not going to happen. Yes, some women will be more focused on long-term relationships and locking down a man, but tough times will actually make women pickier.

A lot of men are struggling with dating in 2024, and I honestly think by 2034, dating will be impossible for an average guy(heck it's almost impossible right now as I type this). . If a guy doesn’t have anything that women value (looks, money, game, personality, etc.). The whole "women will come back to the table" end-of-the-world scenario is nothing but a coping fantasy that some men tell themselves to feel better. I’ve been around this forum since 2008, and things dating-wise have never been as toxic as they are in 2024. With inflation and AI coming within the next decade, it will get even tougher for regular men.

 

[SW15]

Much of the old-school PUA advice didn't stand the test of time and turned out to be BS.

Good point to bring up. I'll offer some takes.

1. "Call, don't text". This may have been good advice in the very early days of texting, before smartphones and blackberries, when you had to use the numerical keypad to input text (usually in short form). Back then, texting was considered kind of immature and something that only high school kids did. But that era ended 20+ years ago.

I agree that this advice made sense in the days of flip phones and candy bar phones. Sending text messages was not easy on those devices. Apple introduced the iPhone in 2007, though the Blackberry had preceded it. The iPhone was the smartphone model that popularized the smartphone. By 2009-2010 at the latest, texting was overtaking calling. At that time, I was 26-27 and mainly dealing with women my age or younger. The expectation by then was that the man owned a smartphone and would use text messaging more than phone calls. This has only gotten more true since 2010.

While phone calls have value in the early stages of dating, it's very difficult to get a woman born in the mid to late 1980s or later on the phone for a call in the early stages of dating.

In the 2020s, there are plenty of men who have difficulty with the art of finding the right amount to text. There are also some important rules to follow around text messages, such as never double texting.

3. Spam approaching, sarging, etc. Thankfully, this has become less common but it was a big thing back in the day. And I have no doubt it hurt more men than it helped. Spending hundreds of hours approaching thousands of women wth very little to show for it is hard on one's psyche and no way to build up confidence.

As a whole, fewer people are approaching. Also, I don't think a lot of the people who do approach now are doing as many approaches as they might have in the past.

Spam approaching was always a bad idea. If a man takes a lot of rejections with in-person approach, it will do psychological harm. At the same time, a lack of results on swipe apps is also psychologically damaging. Even though men are taking a lot of rejections digitally, rejections digitally don't hit the same way as an initial in-person approach failing. Another aspect of tech-based dating that can cause trauma is the "one date, no sex, no second date" cycle. Due to tech methods of dating, many men have set up a lot of dates that weren't worth setting up. I think it is more difficult for many men to assess good dating prospects remotely.

4. Wait "x" number of days before contacting her. This was once heavily promoted as an iron rule (the "x" varied depending on who you asked). This is a counterproductive strategy, especially when dealing with girls who have options and limited attention spans (which 100% of attractive girls these days).

I don't hear as much about "wait x days to contact" anymore. Doc Love used to promote a 7 day no contact rule after getting a landline phone number back in the late 1990s/early 2000s. Many people promoted a 3 day no contact that I first heard about in the late 1990s/early 2000s when I was in high school and college and first looking to date.

Women do have more abundance now as compared to the early to mid 2000s.

I don't use any hard and fast rules on contact. In my in-person approaches now, I don't bother to collect phone numbers unless I set up an actual date. Phone numbers alone without plans are useless. While I used to use phone numbers as a metric at points in the past long ago, it's an outdated and useless metric in the smartphone era.

If I approach a woman on a Saturday afternoon in a daygame setting and set a Wednesday night date with her, I would text her Monday or early Tuesday and go from there. Finding the right texting rhythm isn't easy, especially after the first date.

@EyeBRollin promoted an idea on contact frequency in the early stages of dating that was a modern adaptation from Doc Love's 1990s era contact tactic.

Text game

Here’s my thing - so I just banged the HB 7.5 I spoke about in the other thread (to which I thank you for your advice!). Since we banged, she has been texting almost nonstop with very high interest. Due to our schedules we couldn’t see each other for 9 days (down to 7 now). If I essentially...

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