What women want? (For women members only)

[Rainman4707]

Hi, to women of forum just wondering what you think of rollos answer to the question 'what do women want'?


Rollos answer is 'Maximised hypergamy with a man unaware of hypergamy'

@BeExcellent

 

[Rainman4707]

Sorry, rollo added to it.

The perfect union of emotional investment, parental investment and provisinal investment with her hypergamous nature

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

You're an idiot is you care to provide women with 'what they want'.

You should be what they need.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

What a woman will say she wants when she thinks about it logically versus what a woman actually responds to are often two different things.

Trying to understand what a woman "wants" from a logical point of view is pointless.

 

[Rainman4707]

What a woman will say she wants when she thinks about it logically versus what a woman actually responds to are often two different things.

Trying to understand what a woman "wants" from a logical point of view is pointless.

As stated this thread was just for women to reply. Potential ban for Backinthegame?

 

[Gamisch]

By now you should know what women want. They DON'T want to be your maid who provides p00sy on demand.

We know that better than they do...to make it easy: girls just wanna have fun. What's fun to a woman?

As stated this thread was just for women to reply. Potential ban for Backinthegame?

You'll be hard pressed to get any woman to actually respond. Try reddit, and I'll be able to give you all the answers they'll give you.

 

[Rainman4707]

You're an idiot is you care to provide women with 'what they want'.

You should be what they need.

Women to reply only. Do you have a mary?

 

[corrector]

You should go to enotalone or another more gender balanced board that caters to women. Women members have posted before on other threads to share their persectives that you should be able to review their posts or DM directly. There are like two or three women who post here, one in particular posts allot, so you could just DM rather than make a thread. A thread like that on a redpill board is a bit trollish, IMO.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

As stated this thread was just for women to reply. Potential ban for Backinthegame?

You don't make the rules as to who replies in threads. If you want a woman's opinion so bad go post on women's forums.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Women to reply only. Do you have a mary?

I have several women, but none of them wouldn't respond to inanities.

 

[BeExcellent]

@Rainman4707

Responding to a page of the old lady....

Honestly I think Rollo has a narrow view. I know there exist women who fit that belief/value system, but certainly not all women do.

Perhaps Rollo's beliefs reflect his reality and experience as a married man.

Some thoughts:

His belief really applies only to young women of childbearing potential who desire children and dont have the resources to be completely self supporting. This belief would be far less likely to be true of a careerist woman in my opinion. The belief also is transactional at its core, and while ALL relationships are transactional or contractual (marriage), the currency can vary a great deal depending on individual factors.

If a woman wants children (which will mean she has to assume the risks and obligations associated with pregnancy and childbirth and caring for an infant/young child) then a man's ability to provide for his family is something to think seriously about as a practical matter.

What if she experiences medical complications or a short term disability during pregnancy? What if she gets put on bed rest and can't work? What if the baby is seriously disabled or premature or something else unexpected and expensive happens?

You don't want the father to be a deadbeat with no ability to support his family. A woman takes great physical risk in pregnancy & childbirth, up to and including death, even in today's modern world.

So women who want to be mothers are wise to consider a man's ability to support her and a baby. Pregnancy has many unknowns that cannot be reliably predicted.

As far as the hypergamy piece? I think this term is greatly misused in the manosphere. Hypergamy means a social climber when you look at the real definition arising out of Indian society's caste system. A woman who marries with a motive of rising from one caste to another.

Relatively few women actually do this in western society. The vast majority of young women marry a high school or college beau who is of similar age and usually of similar social background. Then they "do life" together. This is my son & daughter-in-law for example. They were high school sweethearts, have gotten married and are embarking together on life's journey. Was she looking to punch a ticket to a better life on his coattails when they started dating at ages 16 (her) and 17 (him)? That's silly. They fell in love young and have stayed together through thick & thin. They are certainly emotionally invested in each other. That's good. It's the best glue alongside satisfying sex in a relationship.

In my opinion I think few women are hypergamous in the real strict sense of the word. Women want a man they find attractive who has his act together. She will choose typically the man she finds to be her best choice from the options available to her. This is not hypergamy. Men do exactly the same thing....pick the best choice from options available to them. Its what humans do in mate selection, period.

This should not surprise anyone.

But I think "hypergamy" is a cope used by men who don't like the options available to them. It's an excuse for not looking at the real issue, which is what limits an individual man's choices.

A Victoria's Secret or Sports Illustrated swinsuit model (for example) is going to be an exceptionally beautiful woman being very well compensated for her images. She is nearly universally beautiful or she wouldn't be in the catalogue or magazine. She is going to be selecting from elite level men as she is an elite level woman. She's not going to be with a tubby middle age middle manager. To expect otherwise is complete unreality.

Emotional investment is important in any successful meaningful relationship. Agree there. It goes both ways.

Water seeks its own level. This is true of human relationships too.

My 0.02.

 

[Rainman4707]

You don't make the rules as to who replies in threads. If you want a woman's opinion so bad go post on women's forums.

Ok thanks for the warning. Appreciate it. There is also a pinned warning not to derail threads...thats where i thought you were contradicting yourself.

Seems you dont play by the rules

 

[Rainman4707]

You should go to enotalone or another more gender balanced board that caters to women. Women members have posted before on other threads to share their persectives that you should be able to review their posts or DM directly. There are like two or three women who post here, one in particular posts allot, so you could just DM rather than make a thread. A thread like that on a redpill board is a bit trollish, IMO.

I'm interested in what be excellents view is.

 

[corrector]

I'm interested in what be excellents view is.

Then DM her next time if you are making a "triggering" thread intended for one person.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I'm interested in what be excellents view is.

If that's all, why open a thread? Just send her a PM.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Ok thanks for the warning. Appreciate it. There is also a pinned warning not to derail threads...thats where i thought you were contradicting yourself.

Seems you dont play by the rules

Seems you like trying to start sh!t for fun.

Literally the only one in here derailing the thread is you.

Been up all night counting cards at the casino again?

 

[Rainman4707]

@Rainman4707

Responding to a page of the old lady....

Honestly I think Rollo has a narrow view. I know there exist women who fit that belief/value system, but certainly not all women do.

Perhaps Rollo's beliefs reflect his reality and experience as a married man.

Some thoughts:

His belief really applies only to young women of childbearing potential who desire children and dont have the resources to be completely self supporting. This belief would be far less likely to be true of a careerist woman in my opinion. The belief also is transactional at its core, and while ALL relationships are transactional or contractual (marriage), the currency can vary a great deal depending on individual factors.

If a woman wants children (which will mean she has to assume the risks and obligations associated with pregnancy and childbirth and caring for an infant/young child) then a man's ability to provide for his family is something to think seriously about as a practical matter.

What if she experiences medical complications or a short term disability during pregnancy? What if she gets put on bed rest and can't work? What if the baby is seriously disabled or premature or something else unexpected and expensive happens?

You don't want the father to be a deadbeat with no ability to support his family. A woman takes great physical risk in pregnancy & childbirth, up to and including death, even in today's modern world.

So women who want to be mothers are wise to consider a man's ability to support her and a baby. Pregnancy has many unknowns that cannot be reliably predicted.

As far as the hypergamy piece? I think this term is greatly misused in the manosphere. Hypergamy means a social climber when you look at the real definition arising out of Indian society's caste system. A woman who marries with a motive of rising from one caste to another.

Relatively few women actually do this in western society. The vast majority of young women marry a high school or college beau who is of similar age and usually of similar social background. Then they "do life" together. This is my son & daughter-in-law for example. They were high school sweethearts, have gotten married and are embarking together on life's journey. Was she looking to punch a ticket to a better life on his coattails when they started dating at ages 16 (her) and 17 (him)? That's silly. They fell in love young and have stayed together through thick & thin. They are certainly emotionally invested in each other. That's good. It's the best glue alongside satisfying sex in a relationship.

In my opinion I think few women are hypergamous in the real strict sense of the word. Women want a man they find attractive who has his act together. She will choose typically the man she finds to be her best choice from the options available to her. This is not hypergamy. Men do exactly the same thing....pick the best choice from options available to them. Its what humans do in mate selection, period.

This should not surprise anyone.

But I think "hypergamy" is a cope used by men who don't like the options available to them. It's an excuse for not looking at the real issue, which is what limits an individual man's choices.

A Victoria's Secret or Sports Illustrated swinsuit model (for example) is going to be an exceptionally beautiful woman being very well compensated for her images. She is nearly universally beautiful or she wouldn't be in the catalogue or magazine. She is going to be selecting from elite level men as she is an elite level woman. She's not going to be with a tubby middle age middle manager. To expect otherwise is complete unreality.

Emotional investment is important in any successful meaningful relationship. Agree there. It goes both ways.

Water seeks its own level. This is true of human relationships too.

My 0.02.

I've been hearing about emotinal investment a lot recently and i agree with you. Men who just spin plates and are afraid of commitment maybe cannot understand emotional investment.

I think you talk sense in what you say about your sons LTR. I see a lot of women find their man and start looking to setup their nest. Kids house etc. Why would they just jump ship? Dose'nt make much sense. They have a stable environment . Their kids are safe and secure and happy. Like you say they have the emotional connection too.


Rollo is a genius. I love his work. Im a big fan. So grateful for his knowledge and love of behavioural psychology. A woman in my village ditched her husband and left with kids because she lost weight and thought she could do better. I see that as hypergamy in action, so i think Rollo is onto something.

 

[Rainman4707]

If that's all, why open a thread? Just send her a PM.

I was going to, but thought i would give other women members the oppurtunity to participate.

I'm aware it's known as a mans forum, but i have learnt a lot from be excellent. Some members dont like that

 

[Rainman4707]

Then DM her next time if you are making a "triggering" thread intended for one person.

Since when has this been a red pill board? Have i missed something?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'm aware it's known as a mans forum

It's not "known" as a man's forum. It IS a man's forum, as proven by the member count demographic which is 99.9%+ male.

I was going to, but thought i would give other women members the oppurtunity to participate.

Logically this makes about as much sense as a man explicitly going out to try and pick up women by choosing to go to a gay bar.

In other words, virtually none.