Going to be another brutal summer for much of the US it appears...

[BackInTheGame78]

"Many predicted more records would later fall but they didn’t. Death Valley, possibly the hottest place on Earth, came close but didn’t break its 1913 record. Incidentally, that record is under suspicion as none of the nearby weather stations recorded extraordinarily hot weather for that day. Most American states set their individual heat records almost a century ago"

Heatwave hysteria

Climate change extremism and the tendency to alarm first and analyse later is destroying clear and thoughtful environmental reporting. A good example of this is the European heatwave hysteria which was started by journalists confusing ground and air temperature. It began with a report by the Eur

www.netzerowatch.com

So we must wonder: Will '24 be yet another year where records everyone is anticipating breaking won't do so? And how accurate is any of the data regarding alleged past heat waves to begin with?

Rising temperatures are a problem, neither myself nor anyone else on this thread is denying as much. The damage from such things is mitigated by providing greater access to air conditioning in those corners where it's absenet

https://unherd.com/2023/07/climate-hysteria-has-no-class/ and the like

"Many predicted more records would later fall but they didn’t. Death Valley, possibly the hottest place on Earth, came close but didn’t break its 1913 record. Incidentally, that record is under suspicion as none of the nearby weather stations recorded extraordinarily hot weather for that day. Most American states set their individual heat records almost a century ago"

Heatwave hysteria

Climate change extremism and the tendency to alarm first and analyse later is destroying clear and thoughtful environmental reporting. A good example of this is the European heatwave hysteria which was started by journalists confusing ground and air temperature. It began with a report by the Eur

www.netzerowatch.com

So we must wonder: Will '24 be yet another year where records everyone is anticipating breaking won't do so? And how accurate is any of the data regarding alleged past heat waves to begin with?

Rising temperatures are a problem, neither myself nor anyone else on this thread is denying as much. The damage from such things is mitigated by providing greater access to air conditioning in those corners where it's absenet

https://unherd.com/2023/07/climate-hysteria-has-no-class/ and the like

Again...this is not only the US we are talking about...the US comprises 2% of the world surface.

Since 2016, 12 countries have set new record high temperatures with half of those coming since 2021.

I was personally in Columbia, SC(unfortunately) when they smashed their all time record high and hit 113 in 2012. So not all states set their record high many decades ago.

Additionally, you must be joking when you think it's "that simple" to just give all these places air conditioning.

With what electrical grid? Many of those places don't even have a functioning electric grid 24 hours a day as it is BEFORE trying to add in millions of air conditioning units sucking many gigawatts of power that they can't produce and have no way of building up infrastructure since no companies want to invest in poverty stricken countries where people can't pay much. Not to mention these would be extremely hot places that would require far more power than normal to keep things cool as well as likely be poorly insulated and built and would likely leak much of the cool air back outside quickly.

Outside of the developed countries like the US, Canada, most EU nations and a few select others, electricity 24 hours a day is a privilege and many are used to having rolling brown outs or worse for several hours a day because the grids can't handle all the people at once. What we consider normal are luxuries to 70% of the world.

There are no incentives to build upgrades there, that's why they don't have them already, because if there was you best believe they would already be there. Who is going to convince a company to come in and spend billions of dollars building infrastructure to lose money year after year? How are these people going to pay for it when a monthly AC bill is more than they make in a year?

Doesn't make economic sense any way you look at it. Especially when there is constant political strife and civil wars going on in many of these places where they would simply destroy it after it's built to gain advantages over the other side.

Also, considering that heat related deaths are the leading cause of weather related fatalities on a yearly basis with up to 500,000 people dying each year due to that(including 1300 that just died in the Haj Pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia with temps reaching 125 degrees), it should be a bigger concern than tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding, landslides, etc in people's minds, but it isn't because it's not a drastic shocking event that happens and then it's gone...it is those things that can build over days and weeks and the longer it goes the more deadly it becomes.

A big part of the issue is that nights are warming more rapidly than days which leads to the body being unable to cool off properly at night which just exacerbates the daytime heat leading to a feedback loop in the body with negative effects.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Again...this is not only the US we are talking about...

Indeed it's not... Quote that article yet again:

"A good example of this is the European heatwave hysteria which was started by journalists confusing ground and air temperature. It began with a report by the European Space Agency that referred to measured air temperatures above Europe. The point of the press release was that it was very hot. It said, “…and it’s only just begun…with air temperatures expected to climb to 48°C on the islands of Sicily and Sardinia – potentially the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe.” You will note the words, “expected,” and “potentially.” To be fair the report did refer to surface temperature later on, but we all know journalists rarely read beyond the first paragraph of a press release.

There is a big difference between temperatures recorded at the surface and that of the air at a standard height of 1.2 – 1.5 m which is measured in shielded weather cabinets and is used in daily weather reports. Surface temperature is much hotter. At one stage the BBC was reporting 45°C in Rome when the maximum recorded air temperature was 40°C. The air temperature in Sicily was 32°C a long way from the predicted surface temperature of 48°C. What a difference 2 m makes!"

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Indeed it's not... Quote that article yet again:

"A good example of this is the European heatwave hysteria which was started by journalists confusing ground and air temperature. It began with a report by the European Space Agency that referred to measured air temperatures above Europe. The point of the press release was that it was very hot. It said, “…and it’s only just begun…with air temperatures expected to climb to 48°C on the islands of Sicily and Sardinia – potentially the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe.” You will note the words, “expected,” and “potentially.” To be fair the report did refer to surface temperature later on, but we all know journalists rarely read beyond the first paragraph of a press release.

There is a big difference between temperatures recorded at the surface and that of the air at a standard height of 1.2 – 1.5 m which is measured in shielded weather cabinets and is used in daily weather reports. Surface temperature is much hotter. At one stage the BBC was reporting 45°C in Rome when the maximum recorded air temperature was 40°C. The air temperature in Sicily was 32°C a long way from the predicted surface temperature of 48°C. What a difference 2 m makes!"

Must be hysteria that a place in Sicily had the warmest temperature ever recorded in Europe last year of 48.8C confirmed by the World Meteorological Organization as the new record.

But I guess it's only because they don't know how to measure temps now apparently.

Try better.

Europe officially set new record in 2023 for continent's hottest temperature ever

It's official. There is a new record for the hottest temperature ever recorded in Continental Europe.

www.foxweather.com

 

[BackInTheGame78]

And we have what is expected to become our first major hurricane by tomorrow in Beryl...the earliest one has ever formed this far East in the tropical Atlantic breaking a record going back to 1933 on the backs of the warmest ever recorded water temperatures for this time of year.

Coincidence? Highly unlikely.

"If you asked the water in the Caribbean Sea what day it was, it would guess September 10,” said Brian McNoldy, a senior research scientist at the University of Miami’s Rosenstiel School, in a post on X Saturday morning.

Hurricane Beryl, super-charged by warm seas, stuns experts

Warmer than normal waters in the Atlantic are juicing up Hurricane Beryl, which is breaking records for a forecast early arrival.

www.yahoo.com

Hurricane Beryl, now an ‘extremely dangerous’ Category 4 storm, heads for the Caribbean

Here’s the latest from the National Hurricane Center

www.yahoo.com

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Back in the Game,
You may be right,however your lack of response to my questions seems somewhat like acquiescence...We have gone half way to completely demolishing our industries,and yet you say,things are still getting worse,think about it....World history is a continuing record of massive Population moves,usually prompted by adverse climatic event....Historians talk of Volkerwanderung,nothing new here...Your great Nation is still feeding the World,a World that has never eaten better,let them get on with it,the've never done better...You can do Zilch about it!

 

[Bible_Belt]

The climate is fvcked. I don't think that is up for debate. As far as whose fault it is and what to do, those are completely different issues. Maybe we are past the point of no return, so it doesn't matter.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Additionally, you must be joking when you think it's "that simple" to just give all these places air conditioning

I never so much as implied that providing impoverished nations with air conditioning would be simple. This goes to a subject that we somehow haven't discussed yet, even though it's the crux of this particular problem... Damage to our ecosystems is really a side effect of ailments like poverty and incessant warfare, especially of the civil variety. Julian Simon famously documented all of this at the end of The 20th Century

https://www.wired.com/1997/02/the-doomslayer-2/ And his work still bears out today. Here in The Post-Industrial World, it'll be an intelligent move for us to invest in research and development, in regards to alternatives to fossil fuels

The temperature is going to rise a bit, as will sea levels: This was almost certainly caused to some degree or another by human activity, and there's no reversing it now. Harm reduction IS achievable, worth pursuing, and will also be sufficient, even if imperfect. Which is cause for rejoicing

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hi Back in the Game,
You may be right,however your lack of response to my questions seems somewhat like acquiescence...We have gone half way to completely demolishing our industries,and yet you say,things are still getting worse,think about it....World history is a continuing record of massive Population moves,usually prompted by adverse climatic event....Historians talk of Volkerwanderung,nothing new here...Your great Nation is still feeding the World,a World that has never eaten better,let them get on with it,the've never done better...You can do Zilch about it!

See that's where you are mistaken. The biggest polluter in the world has done next to nothing, or only increased their reliance on things like coal and gas without using any emission dampening equipment on them. China(by far and away the biggest polluters) and India(3rd) are the keys to slowing it down and they don't really seem to care.

The US is second in greenhouse gas emissions but we have taken consistent measures to work on reducing it. We are trending in the right direction. The other two, not so much. China puts more than double the amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere every year than the US does.

All of the other countries can do whatever they want but until those two countries actually start wanting to do the same it doesn't matter.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I never so much as implied that providing impoverished nations with air conditioning would be simple. This goes to a subject that we somehow haven't discussed yet, even though it's the crux of this particular problem... Damage to our ecosystems is really a side effect of ailments like poverty and incessant warfare, especially of the civil variety. Julian Simon famously documented all of this at the end of The 20th Century

https://www.wired.com/1997/02/the-doomslayer-2/ And his work still bears out today. Here in The Post-Industrial World, it'll be an intelligent move for us to invest in research and development, in regards to alternatives to fossil fuels

The temperature is going to rise a bit, as will sea levels: This was almost certainly caused to some degree or another by human activity, and there's no reversing it now. Harm reduction IS achievable, worth pursuing, and will also be sufficient, even if imperfect. Which is cause for rejoicing

Violence and war isn't an ailment, unfortunately it is who we are as humans dating back to our earliest days. It is the one constant throughout history. Even Otzi, one of the oldest bodies they have found has signs of being murdered by taking an arrow in the back.

People think one day war will just end. It won't, it's who we are as a species, it literally defines us. It's in our DNA.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The climate is fvcked. I don't think that is up for debate. As far as whose fault it is and what to do, those are completely different issues. Maybe we are past the point of no return, so it doesn't matter.

There is some promising technology they are working on but getting it ramped up to a global scale will be challenging.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi BackInTheGame,
"All of the other countries can do whatever they want but until those two countries actually start wanting to do the same it doesn't matter."I rather thought that was my position.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hi BackInTheGame,
"All of the other countries can do whatever they want but until those two countries actually start wanting to do the same it doesn't matter."I rather thought that was my position.

It would be far far worse if no country had any mechanisms in place. As it, it's still a huge issue, just happening at a lesser speed, although still very rapidly.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hurricane Beryl is now a Cat 4 with 130 mph winds, the earliest Cat 4 ever in the Caribbean and the only one ever in June.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi BackInTheGame,
"It would be far far worse if no country had any mechanisms in place.".....Perhaps so,and again,it would be far better if those Countries who are still into heavy Industry,weren't our potential Enemies...Covid showed us how dependant we all were on China,we didn't even manufacture our own anti-biotics....Now we can't supply Ukraine with artillery shells.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Yes, you should be a little freaked out about Hurricane Beryl

“It’s hard to communicate how unbelievable this is.”…

arstechnica.com

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yes, you should be a little freaked out about Hurricane Beryl

“It’s hard to communicate how unbelievable this is.”…

arstechnica.com

Gives us cause to revisit https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/climate-change-impact-hurricane-ian/671604/

So that’s what scientists do know about climate change and hurricanes. But much remains unclear or unknown about how the two interact

 

[HaleyBaron]

Enjoying the heat and sun right now. It's 100F but next to the pool feeling nice.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yes, you should be a little freaked out about Hurricane Beryl

“It’s hard to communicate how unbelievable this is.”…

arstechnica.com

At some point if this continues, there may no longer be a season for hurricanes, it will be a constant threat all year long.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Cont'

There’s essentially no agreement on what a warming climate will do to smaller hurricanes in the Category 1 or 2 range, Emanuel said. Historically, these less intense storms form far more often than major storms, and they dominate the raw numbers of hurricanes that form each year (although major hurricanes still cause by far the most damage). But “we just don’t know if the number of those smaller storms will be more or fewer or stay the same.”


Climatologists also don’t know what will happen to the diameter of hurricanes. The size of hurricanes is an overlooked but important aspect of a storm’s danger, Emanuel said. For instance, Hurricane Ian made landfall in almost the same place that Hurricane Charley did in 2004, but Ian is a much wider—and thus a much more destructive—storm. Charley, in fact, could almost fit entirely within Ian’s eye. Idealized computer models show that climate change will likely make these monster storms more common, Emanuel said, but so far “nobody wants to carry that over to the real world,” which is far more complex than a simulation.


So what can we say about climate change’s effect on Ian? Stepping back, it seems safe to say that it showed some symptoms of climate change. It rapidly intensified. It dumped huge amounts of rain. You could even argue that it showed evidence of that “higher speed limit.” But asking questions beyond that is folly, Emanuel said.

“I don’t like the question ‘How did climate change affect this storm?’” he told me. “If you had a grandparent who died of lung cancer and who smoked two packs a day, you wouldn’t ask, ‘How much did smoking contribute to his lung cancer?’ Because sometimes people get lung cancer without smoking at all. You just can’t answer that question.”

So we must wonder: Is our present day hysteria over Beryl just a re-iteration of the one we indulged in over Ian?

Not when it's such an outlier that it basically broke every record in the book for any early season hurricane to go along with the warmest water temperatures ever recorded at this time of year.

Those are not a coincidence btw.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Not when it's such an outlier that it basically broke every record in the book for any early season hurricane to go along with the warmest water temperatures ever recorded at this time of year.

Those are not a coincidence btw.

What I’ve understood is that it started as a tropical depression and because it hit the previously unprecedented warm waters in the Caribbean it gained strength to become a cat 4-5. This will happen to the smaller hurricanes as well.

I was on ground zero for David back in the day and countless smaller ones, I don’t think many people can fathom the destructive power of a hurricane.

Buckle up kids. It’s going to get interesting.