Game is dependent on personality & profile

[anonymous12345]

What many of the gurus miss is that game is dependent on the gamer’s personality/profile. Mathew Hyman, big om social media, gives in my opinion solid advice, but I suspect it’s still advice that’s specific to his profile and the girls he match with.

Same with Austen Summers. He’s a young guy with a boyish vibe. That’s absolutely great and advantageous, but I doubt it works for everyone.

This is often missed on SS and why it’s an endless carousel, game depends on many factors.

For me, I think my profile is in one sense too tough, and I need to focus more on comfort, trust, contact. Who knows, maybe I fool myself. Perhaps there's only one way to be a true man.

 

[SW15]

The game of seduction is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Personality is the least important variable in seduction. Looks is the most important variable in seduction, especially when a man is under 35. While personality is relevant, it takes a backseat to the other variables.

 

[Solomon]

The game of seduction is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Personality is the least important variable in seduction. Looks is the most important variable in seduction, especially when a man is under 35. While personality is relevant, it takes a backseat to the other variables.

Disagree Personality Is a major component of your Game they actually are synonymous in a sense. If you have natural stoic, confident personality it will translate in your Game. If you're a confidentless dork, recing Mystery PUA jargon it's gonna come of cringe

 

[Mike32ct]

I think the OP is noting how a lot of gurus give “One size fits all” advice based on their personality/profile. That’s a valid criticism.

You need to develop your own “game” and/or find a guru that you identify with best.

 

[characternote]

I think the OP is noting how a lot of gurus give “One size fits all” advice based on their personality/profile. That’s a valid criticism.

You need to develop your own “game” and/or find a guru that you identify with best.

I don't tend to get too involved in 'game convos nowadays as I think it's basically irrelevant and far from the most important thing when we're talking about getting laid with cold approach

However, i'll say that many years ago (before i'd consumed and tested literally every premium premium products PUA teachings) one of my first 'alarm bells' about the potential of this all being a load of nonsense was when I realised that not only did the coaches all disagree on everything with the 'theory' of game (should have been a big hint in hindsight) but it was clear that their 'vibes' were also all so different

Their vibe was their personality. And that personality dictated the words that left their mouths and how they all acted! And of course they were all SO different.

I'd watch an infield by 'mystery' or something, and i'd think, 'OK, so not only is it about the negs and his DHV stories and his 'bait-release' concepts etc, but his 'vibe' seems to be trying too adopt a kind of mysterious, slightly serious relaxed vibe. Cool, I get it''

And then i'd stumble upon someone like RSDJeffy who was kind of the polar opposite. His vibe was way more playful and loud and 'out there'. Forward, jokey, sexual. Not afraid of unearned compliments etc. And of course this all dictated the words that left his mouth. LIke most noobs at the time, I was interested in 'verbal game' - e.g exactly what am I supposed to say too a girl to MAKE her want to bang me if i'm not her physical type?!!' but it became clear that no only was that impossible (trust me. I tested it all), but the 'vibe' was seemingly irrelevant anyway!

And then there was every variation of 'game' you could imagine with other pros (because we all have different personalities!!!).

So people were essentially trying to learn to adopt someone elses personality to the point they'd need a brain transplant if they'd ever hope of coming out with the same questions, statements, answers etc as their favourite guru! lol

What became obvious very fast was that there was clearly no rules! And since there's no rules, there's no game! A game isn't a game without rules.
All of these PUA's got laid a lot and they got rejected a lot. Same as any other guy on the street who'd never heard of game

You can be indirect, you can be direct, you can be jokey, you can be serious, you can compliment, you can never compliment, etc etc.
People get laid in spite of this stuff. Not because of it

What got them their results was the fact that they put the odds in their favour through sheer numbers game (approach enough girls and you'll stumble upon the yes girls. And there's nobody who can do better than that. )

Nobody has every blown my mind or impressed me / surprised me when it comes to this stuff. Including the apparent best in the world/top PUA coaches.
Everyone gets the results i'd expect. The same results i'd get in their bodies.
I can look at a guy for 2 seconds and know how he will fair in the club tonight if he's gonna hit on the sort of girls I want.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I can look at a guy for 2 seconds and know how he will fair in the club tonight if he's gonna hit on the sort of girls I want.

He shouldn't.
He should hit on the girls he wants, not the ones you want.

I have a vibe that attracts the women I want to attract. Won't be the women you want to attract, so it's no use trying to mimic my vibe. You won't attract the women you want with my vibe.

The game of seduction is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Personality is the least important variable in seduction. Looks is the most important variable in seduction, especially when a man is under 35. While personality is relevant, it takes a backseat to the other variables.

You say this 'mantra' so often that I think you hope that someday it will come true, if only you keep regurgitating your 'truth'.

 

[pipeman84]

What many of the gurus miss is that game is dependent on the gamer’s personality/profile.

This, and also the girl's personality/profile.
I think by the age of approximately 22yrs old, more than 50% of the girls who are of at least average quality are off the market. From the remaining less than 50%, they are everywhere on the spectrum from OF girls to virgins who are looking for a guy to marry. So it's simple logic that any one type of approach/game can't work but on a very tiny minority of girls. In other words, like attracts like.

 

[The Duke]

Too much mental masturbation as usual. You don't get women staying in your head. It all matters. Some things more than others to different women.

 

[crowolf]

The key thing is to develop your individuality. Chase your interests, learn what makes you different, and embrace it.

Archetypes probably play a role. It's like a video game, where you can choose which attributes to level up, while some of the others may get less points. But what I am noticing is that having a broad range of interests, hobbies, and overall curiosity about life and people, will make you a valuable man. So in a way, you can cover multiple archetypes at the same time.

Women seem to have a taste or a type. Even if we accept that attraction is not a choice. But you never know - you might be exactly the man they want. So, take action, and meet new ones.

The last point you made is probably related to trustworthiness. It's very important for women to know that you are not a threat. And you achieve that mostly by congruency and social intelligence / social proof.

 

[characternote]

I can look at a guy for 2 seconds and know how he will fair in the club tonight if he's gonna hit on the sort of girls I want.

i should have said

'very hot, very young girls' instead of 'girls I want' to minimize confusion

it's obvious just from a picture when he's gonna be invisible and just a general annoyance to her or whether he has a shot.

 

[BaronOfHair]

How do you act with your parents?
How do you act with your friends?
How do you act with your boss?

All 3 have gotten a glimpse of the sort of porn I enjoy, once the ol' laptop has been fired up, and walked in on me masturbating to it. Only difference has been the setting and context this occurred in :shock:

 

[Bingo-Player]

A lot depends on your personal level of exposure to women and in what capacity you have women in your lives

For a long time I was obsessed with having women in my life in sexual capacity , I didn't really see much other purpose in them

This perception has led me down a weird path where every woman that I'm attracted too I desperately wanted to sleep with and would do whatever it takes to do so

Even when I was in long term relationships all I really wanted to do was sleep with new women.

Took a long time to figure it out but this feeds into the females rules ....if you want something from her she gets to dictate wether she gives it or not this is the ultimate power position to be in

Any man trying to "game" women technically falls into the above trap and women are expert at setting that trap , they know the second your in the trap they can't start taking control of the rules and thats when the slow replies / the ghosting and the flakiness starts

It's only in 2024 have I started to understand women are actually people....and like most people are highly flawed

You kind of have to identify them flaws in her and get her to qualify herself ....this takes expert level conversational skills and out of the box thinking

Most men ( myself included) look at an attractive woman and immediately start thinking about how to sleep with her

It's very normal for a woman to then have an interaction whereby a man is interacting with her because he wants something ( usually sex ) from her

I guess at its core male game is all about avoiding having your true intention detected

You always want her thinking " what does this guy want , who is he, am I attracted to him "

If she knows what you want her mind can't wonder this is an attraction killer

 

[characternote]

I guess at its core male game is all about avoiding having your true intention detected.
If she knows what you want her mind can't wonder this is an attraction killer

unless you happen to be a believer in the mode1 style of game (making up about 50% of the community) where many of them writers/'coaches' will tell you the opposite, and that you must make your intention crystal clear and that actually, it's the fact that she knows you want to ravish her so much that makes her attracted to you.

All BS of course, but no more BS than the opposite style (think 'mysterymethod')

Fact is, a follower of mysterymethod and a follower of mode1 are gonna basically get identical results (assuming they have the same SMV)

mysterymethod will work when you are her type and she's kinda attracted to you.
Mode 1 will work when you are her type and she's kinda attracted to you
And they will both fall flat on their a$s when you apply them techniques too a girl who is NOT at all attracted to you, lol

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Don't believe me?
How do you act with your parents?
How do you act with your friends?
How do you act with your boss?

I see you subscribe the Japanese nature of personality - no core personality, but a mask to wear with different interactions.

How do you act with your parents?
They are both dead. I left home at seventeen, that should tell you something.

How do you act with your friends?
As myself, that's why they are my friends.

How do you act with your boss?
Don't have a boss.
But when I still had a boss, I was a good worker but a bad employee.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

You kind of have to identify them flaws in her and get her to qualify herself ....this takes expert level conversational skills and out of the box thinking

And after she qualifies herself, you have to show yourself safe for her to drop her shame and inhibitions with you.

 

[Bingo-Player]

unless you happen to be a believer in the mode1 style of game (making up about 50% of the community) where many of them writers/'coaches' will tell you the opposite, and that you must make your intention crystal clear and that actually, it's the fact that she knows you want to ravish her so much that makes her attracted to you.

All BS of course, but no more BS than the opposite style (think 'mysterymethod')

Fact is, a follower of mysterymethod and a follower of mode1 are gonna basically get identical results (assuming they have the same SMV)

mysterymethod will work when you are her type and she's kinda attracted to you.
Mode 1 will work when you are her type and she's kinda attracted to you
And they will both fall flat on their a$s when you apply them techniques too a girl who is NOT at all attracted to you, lol

I've tried everything under the sun over the years

Mode1 requires a ridiculously high pipeline of women , when your in your 20's its doable because you meet a high volume of women you can just churn through being as outrageous as you want

This rapidly declines in your 30's unless your a club worker or something

You literally can't afford to burn through interactions using mode1 unless its very very casual daytime cold approach

If you see your target anything more than once a week mode1 is a route to fvcking catastrophe especially if your an average height / average looking guy

 

[Mike32ct]

For example, I crashed and burned with c&f back in the day because it was not my personality at all. I’m not a sarcastic ball buster at all.

unless you happen to be a believer in the mode1 style of game (making up about 50% of the community) where many of them writers/'coaches' will tell you the opposite, and that you must make your intention crystal clear and that actually, it's the fact that she knows you want to ravish her so much that makes her attracted to you.

All BS of course, but no more BS than the opposite style (think 'mysterymethod')

Fact is, a follower of mysterymethod and a follower of mode1 are gonna basically get identical results (assuming they have the same SMV)

mysterymethod will work when you are her type and she's kinda attracted to you.
Mode 1 will work when you are her type and she's kinda attracted to you
And they will both fall flat on their a$s when you apply them techniques too a girl who is NOT at all attracted to you, lol

On the other extreme, MM seemed like overkill or over-gaming for its founder: a 6’5” full haired and chiseled face guy. Same with his 2 to 10 hours from meet to sex theory.

A guy with those specs could probably pull in 30 mins sans the routine stack lol.

 

[sangheilios]

Do men legitimately put this much thought into "game" and how they need to behave a certain way with women like they are putting on an act? Maybe I lack "game", but as far as I'm concerned women either like you or they don't and there really isn't much more to it than that.

 

[Mike32ct]

Do men legitimately put this much thought into "game" and how they need to behave a certain way with women like they are putting on an act? Maybe I lack "game", but as far as I'm concerned women either like you or they don't and there really isn't much more to it than that.

Yeah it’s basically right person, right place, right time. She either likes you or she doesn’t.

I saw way too many dry/businesslike pulls in my day where the guy wasn’t funny or overly interesting at all. I had to chalk it up to looks and possibly vibe, but not personality.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Do men legitimately put this much thought into "game" and how they need to behave a certain way with women like they are putting on an act?

It just may be astute for us to leave this notion of "game" in The 2000s at long last, in favor of saying what we mean, and meaning what we say...

We're human beings, discussing what makes a man attractive to women