Why PUA's, MGTOW's, SoSuavers All Fail at Extremely High Rates

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I learned a lot here about how the world works and that made me firmly in the blackpill camp with a red pill twist that men should try to optimize whatever they reasonably can, but not get frustrated when they realize there is a ceiling to what can be done.
Sorry I am italian and could not understand why you were redpilled, but then became blackpilled. Would you better explain?

Spirituality will be the next big thing women will be into. The world will be starting to pivot away from materialism imo. Women like nice things but they're also into intuition, psychic stuff, astrology, etc and since the current zeitgeist offers them a shallow existence and the world is getting crazier by the day, they are going to turn towards "deeper meaning" type stuff.

As you say, "if you know, you know", personally I've done a sh1tload of research done into where things are headed.
Very nice point!
Materialism also include luxury travel, or travel in luxury country such as those Dubai, Miami, etc etc.. the big names, in favour of historical cityies and nature country such as Italy, France,and paradises around the world?

Don't you think the astronomy thing could be something that has to do with the social media, and by the fact that woman are just seeking more validation in their lifes trought that?
 

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Sorry I am italian and could not understand why you were redpilled, but then became blackpilled. Would you better explain?


Very nice point!
Materialism also include luxury travel, or travel in luxury country such as those Dubai, Miami, etc etc.. the big names, in favour of historical cityies and nature country such as Italy, France,and paradises around the world?

Don't you think the astronomy thing could be something that has to do with the social media, and by the fact that woman are just seeking more validation in their lifes trought that?
Sure, so basically the red pill is flawed because it simply idealizes a lot of things that are false about human nature. Work ethic and ambition are almost genetic traits, of course they can be improved up to a certain point, but this notion that you can flip a switch and become an extremely successful, handsome witty guy from whatever baseline you are starting from is simply not true.

When you add the complications of life, perhaps you have ill family members or older parents, perhaps you came from a poor family, perhaps you yourself are getting health problems, you simply cannot do a lot of things that the wealthy can do to improve yourself maximally. If you have to work long hours and are tired you just don't have the means after work to catch up to guys who were born with a much bigger head start in life in many aspects, be it financial, genetic, looks, etc.

Also IQ is genetic and if you are not intelligent enough you will simply not be able to be competitive in many work or academic environments and will have to settle for other alternatives.

This does not mean you should stop self improvement as it is essential to maximize whatever you have, but I pretty much think it is impossible to overcome, for many man, the hypergamous free for all of dating that is the market in 2024, especially in big cities, and if you are over a certain age.
 

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Spirituality will be the next big thing women will be into. The world will be starting to pivot away from materialism imo. Women like nice things but they're also into intuition, psychic stuff, astrology, etc and since the current zeitgeist offers them a shallow existence and the world is getting crazier by the day, they are going to turn towards "deeper meaning" type stuff.

As you say, "if you know, you know", personally I've done a sh1tload of research done into where things are headed.
You're not wrong but I also think you will see a big push-back to Christianity soon, you're starting to see it even on these Redpill podcasts religioious talks have been coming up a lot. There are so many reasons why economic (we are in a bubble), tech (AI is about to take over displacing Billions around the world), famine (yes look it up) cost of living (hyperinflation). Onlyfans thots getting replaced by "AI models" who are flawless lmfao etc

Also if you have been paying attention there have been exposures of all sorts, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but when you have 3 out of the top 6 richest men in the world cashing out BILLIONS in stocks AT THE SAME TIME something big is about to go down. Mark my words life as we know it today won't be the same 4 years from now. Stuff is about to go down
 

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Sure, so basically the red pill is flawed because it simply idealizes a lot of things that are false about human nature. Work ethic and ambition are almost genetic traits, of course they can be improved up to a certain point, but this notion that you can flip a switch and become an extremely successful, handsome witty guy from whatever baseline you are starting from is simply not true.
The RP template:

To become a top-shelf man, you gotta do whatever women supposedly want you to do, even though many women have abysmal taste. That is, you’re only a top-shelf man if women approve of you, not whether you are actually a good man (no, I don’t mean Mr. Nice Guy).

You don’t need to do or be all of these, but they are RP approved. Not all are inherently wrong or bad, but are all done to meet the ever changing whims of women, which change every five to ten years.

1. Start your own business and earn a minimum income of $200,000.
2. Go to the gym (the new “take a shower” and “clean your room”).
3. Hold frame.
4. Get tattoos.
5. Be a criminal or scumbag.
6. Act like a woman.
7. Constantly “improve” oneself. How, nobody knows.
8. Be a clown, MC, or comedian out of work hours.

That's why there is so much content in which people are in roundtable discussions or on the street asking what women want. Pathetic!

Whatcha gotta do is improve yourself so much that you out-alpha some of the most desirable alpha men on earth: Tom Brady, Vladimir Putin, Ben Affleck, Will Smith, Brad Pitt, Jeff Bezos, Kevin Costner, and some others I can't remember, all of whom were left or publicly punked by their women. According to RP'ers that's because despite their power, fame, and money, they didn't know how to hold frame. (Blame the men, blame the men.) Or, let me guess, they were "making up for their lack of personality with those attributes.

What I consider both pathetic and hysterical is that the female race (and yes, they are like a race unto their own, as Mencken and Schopenhauer spoke of them) has the male race on edge in sexual hunger games, with its members trying to out-alpha one another to get to the top of the heap. That's why we see men turning on each other.

"Most men are losers."
"Most men are pathetic."
"Heehee, the barrier is so low now, man. Most men are so lazy that you're gonna succeed by doing the bare minimum."
"These guys have wage jobs."

According to RP'ers, men who attend work are inferior and are "just over broke," as if there are no jobs that lead to wealth accrual. Last I checked, my friends, family members, and I are not broke, with some being high earning.


One guy on here declared our enemies are our fellow men. So the female race has managed to get men to hold contempt for one another. This is fascinating and comical. Even much of the RP content is intended to indue envy and resentment and feelings of inferiority in the listeners. That's why Andrew Tate bellows into cameras telling men how low he thinks of men.

I remember Stirling Cooper in a clip saying that being an employee is bad because he as an entrepreneur in the past would be worried about how he would make pay roll, as if all employees are working for some scrapping hustler. I suppose the didn't realize that's not a good pitch for entrepreneurship either.

Also, the archetypes of Chad and Tyrone and idolization of "top shelf" men has gotten pathetic and homoerotic. As I said, the article by Rollow, "Men Who F-ck," if one were to read it without knowing who its author was, might think it was romance fiction written by a woman. Some posts on here read like that too. "Heehee bro, I was in da club in Miami, poppin' bottles, just cold chillin' with da fellas. This one handsome fella, he was swimmin' in hoes. Tall, dark, shredded, connected, he slays hoes on the daily. My boy told me he's worth 50 million. He walks in da club and all eyes are on him. All the guys want to be like him."

This is unsustainable.

Inb4: "This sounds like an inkwell rant."
 

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You're not wrong but I also think you will see a big push-back to Christianity soon, you're starting to see it even on these Redpill podcasts religioious talks have been coming up a lot. There are so many reasons why economic (we are in a bubble), tech (AI is about to take over displacing Billions around the world), famine (yes look it up) cost of living (hyperinflation). Onlyfans thots getting replaced by "AI models" who are flawless lmfao etc

Also if you have been paying attention there have been exposures of all sorts, not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but when you have 3 out of the top 6 richest men in the world cashing out BILLIONS in stocks AT THE SAME TIME something big is about to go down. Mark my words life as we know it today won't be the same 4 years from now. Stuff is about to go down

Remember those doomsday dudes from the 60s and 70s, decked out in their bunker-best, warning us every other Tuesday that the world was about to go kaput? Wars, famine, plagues, you name it—they had a conspiracy theory for it. Fast-forward a few decades, and you've gotta wonder, where are all those apocalypse aficionados now?

Back in their heyday, they were all about stockpiling enough canned goods to feed a small country and building bunkers like it was going out of style (which, spoiler alert, it kinda did). They'd jump at any chance to tell you about the latest "end-of-days" scenario over a cozy campfire of burning civilization.

Now, we've got our own set of global dramas, and it feels like we're just remixing their old hits with some modern flair. Yet, the script hasn't really changed—just the fear flavor of the month.

So, tipping our hats to those original masters of disaster, it turns out their legacy is kinda like what Shakespeare said about life being full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. They made all that noise, but the endgame? Always just out of reach. Makes you think maybe they were just in it for the thrill, or perhaps they're sitting somewhere chuckling, "Told you so," while the world keeps turning, oblivious to the final curtain they promised.
 

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Remember those doomsday dudes from the 60s and 70s, decked out in their bunker-best, warning us every other Tuesday that the world was about to go kaput? Wars, famine, plagues, you name it—they had a conspiracy theory for it. Fast-forward a few decades, and you've gotta wonder, where are all those apocalypse aficionados now?

Back in their heyday, they were all about stockpiling enough canned goods to feed a small country and building bunkers like it was going out of style (which, spoiler alert, it kinda did). They'd jump at any chance to tell you about the latest "end-of-days" scenario over a cozy campfire of burning civilization.

Now, we've got our own set of global dramas, and it feels like we're just remixing their old hits with some modern flair. Yet, the script hasn't really changed—just the fear flavor of the month.

So, tipping our hats to those original masters of disaster, it turns out their legacy is kinda like what Shakespeare said about life being full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. They made all that noise, but the endgame? Always just out of reach. Makes you think maybe they were just in it for the thrill, or perhaps they're sitting somewhere chuckling, "Told you so," while the world keeps turning, oblivious to the final curtain they promised.

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun" Ecclesiastes 1:9
 

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Remember those doomsday dudes from the 60s and 70s, decked out in their bunker-best, warning us every other Tuesday that the world was about to go kaput? Wars, famine, plagues, you name it—they had a conspiracy theory for it. Fast-forward a few decades, and you've gotta wonder, where are all those apocalypse aficionados now?

Back in their heyday, they were all about stockpiling enough canned goods to feed a small country and building bunkers like it was going out of style (which, spoiler alert, it kinda did). They'd jump at any chance to tell you about the latest "end-of-days" scenario over a cozy campfire of burning civilization.

Now, we've got our own set of global dramas, and it feels like we're just remixing their old hits with some modern flair. Yet, the script hasn't really changed—just the fear flavor of the month.

So, tipping our hats to those original masters of disaster, it turns out their legacy is kinda like what Shakespeare said about life being full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. They made all that noise, but the endgame? Always just out of reach. Makes you think maybe they were just in it for the thrill, or perhaps they're sitting somewhere chuckling, "Told you so," while the world keeps turning, oblivious to the final curtain they promised.
Please, explain it like an italian would understand ahha! (Thanks)
 

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The RP template:

To become a top-shelf man, you gotta do whatever women supposedly want you to do, even though many women have abysmal taste. That is, you’re only a top-shelf man if women approve of you, not whether you are actually a good man (no, I don’t mean Mr. Nice Guy).

You don’t need to do or be all of these, but they are RP approved. Not all are inherently wrong or bad, but are all done to meet the ever changing whims of women, which change every five to ten years.

1. Start your own business and earn a minimum income of $200,000.
2. Go to the gym (the new “take a shower” and “clean your room”).
3. Hold frame.
4. Get tattoos.
5. Be a criminal or scumbag.
6. Act like a woman.
7. Constantly “improve” oneself. How, nobody knows.
8. Be a clown, MC, or comedian out of work hours.

That's why there is so much content in which people are in roundtable discussions or on the street asking what women want. Pathetic!

Whatcha gotta do is improve yourself so much that you out-alpha some of the most desirable alpha men on earth: Tom Brady, Vladimir Putin, Ben Affleck, Will Smith, Brad Pitt, Jeff Bezos, Kevin Costner, and some others I can't remember, all of whom were left or publicly punked by their women. According to RP'ers that's because despite their power, fame, and money, they didn't know how to hold frame. (Blame the men, blame the men.) Or, let me guess, they were "making up for their lack of personality with those attributes.

What I consider both pathetic and hysterical is that the female race (and yes, they are like a race unto their own, as Mencken and Schopenhauer spoke of them) has the male race on edge in sexual hunger games, with its members trying to out-alpha one another to get to the top of the heap. That's why we see men turning on each other.

"Most men are losers."
"Most men are pathetic."
"Heehee, the barrier is so low now, man. Most men are so lazy that you're gonna succeed by doing the bare minimum."
"These guys have wage jobs."

According to RP'ers, men who attend work are inferior and are "just over broke," as if there are no jobs that lead to wealth accrual. Last I checked, my friends, family members, and I are not broke, with some being high earning.


One guy on here declared our enemies are our fellow men. So the female race has managed to get men to hold contempt for one another. This is fascinating and comical. Even much of the RP content is intended to indue envy and resentment and feelings of inferiority in the listeners. That's why Andrew Tate bellows into cameras telling men how low he thinks of men.

I remember Stirling Cooper in a clip saying that being an employee is bad because he as an entrepreneur in the past would be worried about how he would make pay roll, as if all employees are working for some scrapping hustler. I suppose the didn't realize that's not a good pitch for entrepreneurship either.

Also, the archetypes of Chad and Tyrone and idolization of "top shelf" men has gotten pathetic and homoerotic. As I said, the article by Rollow, "Men Who F-ck," if one were to read it without knowing who its author was, might think it was romance fiction written by a woman. Some posts on here read like that too. "Heehee bro, I was in da club in Miami, poppin' bottles, just cold chillin' with da fellas. This one handsome fella, he was swimmin' in hoes. Tall, dark, shredded, connected, he slays hoes on the daily. My boy told me he's worth 50 million. He walks in da club and all eyes are on him. All the guys want to be like him."

This is unsustainable.

Inb4: "This sounds like an inkwell rant."
Continued.

How can a man fail with MGTOW? Say a man declares, “I’m going my own way! I want nothing to do with women,” and then goes on with life with no sexual relations with women, which include “dating,” “bf and gf,” “LTR,” flings, marriage, whatever. If he does that, he succeeds with MGTOW.

I include quitting all whining about female mating behavior and pining for female company in success with MGTOW. If a man still longs for women, he is not MGTOW. So in a sense most MGTOW’s are not and were never successful with MGTOW.
 

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People who don’t like this website typically don’t want to deal with reality and don’t like to have to be challenged to think. At times I get frustrated with some of the things I read and am told here but very rarely does the advice not pan out to be true. Stick to the contributors that seem to consistently have real world experience.
 

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People who don’t like this website typically don’t want to deal with reality and don’t like to have to be challenged to think. At times I get frustrated with some of the things I read and am told here but very rarely does the advice not pan out to be true. Stick to the contributors that seem to consistently have real world experience.
I am with this vision too, but no man is equal to other, nor woman too
 

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People who don’t like this website typically don’t want to deal with reality and don’t like to have to be challenged to think. At times I get frustrated with some of the things I read and am told here but very rarely does the advice not pan out to be true. Stick to the contributors that seem to consistently have real world experience.
I would say most of the reality advice on this website is pretty circular and self-fulfilling.

1). Spin Plates and emulate the male version of a toxic female
2). Find a toxic female with red flags that loves bombs you
3). Issues arise with toxic female, ignore them or try something
4). Issues are now affecting the bedroom, resort to sosuave
5). Sosuave says the girl is cheating on you/your frame has weakened/use a beta male anecdotal scapegoat to strengthen case and to either drop and spin plates or keep her and spin plates
6). Go back to step 1 and repeat

See the circular system in play? The reality on this site is purely artificial.
 

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I would say most of the reality advice on this website is pretty circular and self-fulfilling.

1). Spin Plates and emulate the male version of a toxic female
2). Find a toxic female with red flags that loves bombs you
3). Issues arise with toxic female, ignore them or try something
4). Issues are now affecting the bedroom, resort to sosuave
5). Sosuave says the girl is cheating on you/your frame has weakened/use a beta male anecdotal scapegoat to strengthen case and to either drop and spin plates or keep her and spin plates
6). Go back to step 1 and repeat

See the circular system in play? The reality on this site is purely artificial.
Like I said, this website irritates people that don’t want to think. The loudest voices are what you’re quoting, they’re not the only ones though.
 

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Continued.

How can a man fail with MGTOW? Say a man declares, “I’m going my own way! I want nothing to do with women,” and then goes on with life with no sexual relations with women, which include “dating,” “bf and gf,” “LTR,” flings, marriage, whatever. If he does that, he succeeds with MGTOW.

I include quitting all whining about female mating behavior and pining for female company in success with MGTOW. If a man still longs for women, he is not MGTOW. So in a sense most MGTOW’s are not and were never successful with MGTOW.
Other than monks and such, how can any man go MGTOW & not go nucking futz?
 

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Other than monks and such, how can any man go MGTOW & not go nucking futz?
Likely hardly any.

So, as I said, even if a supposed MGTOW is womanless, if he pines for a woman, I do not consider him an actual MGTOW. I consider him an incel, a womanless man having difficulty getting a woman.
 
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