Whats the point of a first date?

[sosuave213]

Ah I see it now. TBH, I don't think you can out woman a woman in the dating game and playing her silly tingle fuzzy wuzzy games will put you in a bad situation later on. Yes, you will get laid or a half-assed LTR, but eventually the line will cross and you will lose the woman game to her and come back here crying about the red pill or mgtow lol. I weed out the girls looking for the tingles or the spark pretty easily and end up with women that are serious about dating. However, if you are sex focused then my method is hard to do because you will weed out women that you find attractive or easy lays too.

How do you weed out the women looking for the sparks or tingles?

 

[Divorced w 3]

How do you weed out the women looking for the sparks or tingles?

Anti Dump’s Machine.

 

[CornbreadFed]

How do you weed out the women looking for the sparks or tingles?

What @Divorced w 3 said and scoping out hints and behaviors like:

Owns a large dog or multiple dogs

Single for a long time(more than a year)

Frequent study abroad/travel

Pictures include brunch, bachelorette parties, drinking, or independent boss girl behaviors

Says she is looking for a romantic relationship, special someone, spark upfront

Brags about having the love languages of words of affirmation and gift giving

The ones I bolder are automatic crimson red flags and should be avoided at all costs, the others are case by case based and proceed with caution.

 

[sosuave213]

What @Divorced w 3 said and scoping out hints and behaviors like:

Owns a large dog or multiple dogs

Single for a long time(more than a year)

Frequent study abroad/travel

Pictures include brunch, bachelorette parties, drinking, or independent boss girl behaviors

Says she is looking for a romantic relationship, special someone, spark upfront

Brags about having the love languages of words of affirmation and gift giving

The ones I bolder are automatic crimson red flags and should be avoided at all costs, the others are case by case based and proceed with caution.

Please elaborate...I am intrigued.

The girl I'm seeing only has a cat.

 

[SW15]

The girl I'm seeing only has a cat.

It's difficult to find a woman who is petless. When Millennials started to become adults in the 2000s, they changed pet ownership. Prior to the 2000s, it was common for people to obtain pets after forming a household, typically after marriage. While there were some cat women prior to the 2000s, it was typically a trait of spinster women age 30+. Gen Z is likely to carry on this trend started by Millennial women. Single Millennial women have been more likely to own pets than single Millennial men.

@sosuave213 is a late Millennial, born in 1994. He will mainly be dating late Millennial and early Gen Z women.

Cat ownership and dog ownership are somewhat different.

The big red flag with cat ownership is the presence of 3 or more cats in the home. 1-2 cats are considered acceptable. When a woman owns a cat as an unmarried woman, it is often a sign that she's independent and somewhat short sighted. Cat allergies are very common and by owning a cat, a single woman is reducing her market for long term partners. If a man is allergic to cats, it's going to be difficult for them to have a longer term relationship of any duration. Good luck having a longer term relationship when a man can't go over to a woman's home due to his cat allergies for 30 or more minutes without taking an antihistamine. In general, it isn't good to be regularly taking antihistamines either. Women today have such abundance that they really don't care about reducing their dating market even with one cat, let alone multiple cats. When a woman owns multiple cats (3+), it shows that she has an unhealthy obsession with cats and will prioritize her cats over boyfriends. Women with 1-2 cats will do this to a lesser extent. Expect to have cancelled date plans when the cat get fleas, gets sick, etc. All these things happen with women with cats.

Dog ownership is a bit different. While men with dog hair allergies are less common, dogs require a lot more attention and upkeep than cats. Single women with dogs are notorious for cancelling dates or shortening dates due to their dog. Women will use their dog as an excuse or maybe even a valid reason for interfering with the dating process. Many men find it difficult to compete with her dog in the early stages of dating and in relationship formation. As a relationship progresses, the man will still be competing with the dog, and petless men find this difficult. If a man wants to take a girlfriend with a dog on a long weekend or even a 1-2 week vacation, she has to find dog care or bring the dog along. If a man ends up cohabitating or marrying her, he will end up as a dog cuckold, as she'll bring her pre-existing dog into a household. Being a dog cuckold isn't fun for a petless man. Men who have their own pre-existing dogs are more likely to be able to put up with this.

The purpose of the first date is to gauge compatibility and test her interest and determine if you is open and available. That is it. Sometimes a first date leads to sex, and that's great, but that isn't the purpose, it is just an indicator that she is very attracted to you. If you don't expect it then you won't be disappointed if it doesn't happen.

If you are looking for a relationship... then it is just one step in the process to see if the woman fits into your life like a puzzle piece.

True. Finding compatibility on a first date can be challenging.

Most first dates fail, especially first dates arranged on the swipe apps. The most common outcome of a swipe app first date is "one date, no sex, no second date". Often times, the woman is opting against seeing the man a 2nd time, as the man will send a text message with a second date offer and the woman will either leave that message on read (ghosting it) or reply with a standard "I had a good time but do not see this going anywhere" message.

After a certain number of instances of failed first dates, men will do one of 2 things...

1. Stop offering first dates through tech-based methods, believing that an in-person initial interaction will lead to more successful first dates, even if it means going on fewer first dates.
2. Continue to use tech-based methods, but offer fewer 2nd dates.

I have often believed that most women have such abundance that they don't care if a man offers them a 2nd date or not in a lot of instances. A lot of times when men don't offer the woman a 2nd date, they are doing her a favor. She doesn't need to ghost or send the lame azz "I had a good time but do not see this going anywhere" message.

Is getting sex on a first date a sign that there will be longevity? Will the woman be incentivized again to see a man with first date sex? These are questions that can be debated. I generally think if the goal is a longer term relationship, sex on the first date isn't going to be the best outcome. At the same time, with women having so much abundance and expecting "all the feelz" right away, is not having sex going to mean she'll ghost? It's a tough calculation.

If you are just looking for sex... well... just hire a prostitute... it can be cheaper than an expensive date and you are going to get exactly what you want, guaranteed.

The options here are:

1. Paying directly for sex
2. Paying indirectly for sex and hoping to get laid on a conventional date

In most cases, an individual date, especially a first date, will be less expensive than paying directly for sex. However, the collective of dates might be more expensive than paying directly for sex. From the collective viewpoint, a man might need to go on first dates with 10 different women in order to get laid once. In 7-8 or those, they were "one date, no sex, no second date". 1-2 might have been 2-4 dates with no sex before the 10th woman was sex on a 3rd date. That might be something like 15 dates for 1 instance of sex.

In conventional dating with paying indirectly for sex, the first instance of sex is the most expensive instance of sex. As a non-marital relationship progresses, the cost per instance of sex decreases. Instance of indirectly paid sex get more expensive after the engagement ring, wedding, and birth of children. The cost of direct sex stays similar. If banging the same directly paid woman, the 1st and 10th times you bang them cost the same. If banging a woman paid indirectly for sex, the 1st and 10th time having sex with her do not cost the same.

Single for a long time(more than a year)

Women have such abundance that they can find a relationship starting from scratch in less than a few months at any age prior to menopause. This is especially true for women 18-34.

Pictures include brunch, bachelorette parties, drinking, or independent boss girl behaviors

Most women privatize their social media accounts so a lot of men won't be seeing this before the 1st date or before offering a 2nd date. A man can find out a woman's name and find her social media accounts pretty early on and if they aren't private, he can see pictures and make judgments. A man might be able to find out independent boss girl behaviors from a conversation with her without seeing pictures. Sometimes in a first date conversation, a man might be able to tell if she regularly goes to brunch with her female friends, if she regularly goes to bars/nightclubs, and if she regularly takes Girls Trips/goes to bachelorette parties. Women between 25-34 often have a lot of female friends getting married in a given year, so these women will have a lot of bachelorette party invitations. Bachelorette party attendance may or may not be a red flag.