Men Should Stay On Dating Apps Even When In An LTR

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Only under the following circumstance..

If the girl you have committed to, is still all over social media, then without a doubt she is keeping her options open, by placing herself in a position where she can meet other men.

Remember, girls rarely approach men.. The female mating strategy is simply putting herself in positions/circumstances/environments where men can approach her. This is how woman generally meet/date men.

If you as a man have dropped all your plates for an LTR & you no longer approach or no longer have dating apps on your phone, then essentially you are completely OUT of the dating game.

However if you're girl is still on Instagram, Snapchat, Facebook, she is still available & present on the dating market.

Your options are closed (lack of abundance)

Her options are still open (abundance mindset)

Who do you think is going to come up top under these unfair circumstances? It isn't going to be you, that's a fact.


If you're girlfriend is on Instagram which happens to be the worlds biggest dating app, then you should install Bumble onto your phone immediately.

This will level the playing field.
OP, this is well intentioned but really it will not work. The main thing is, if your girl is an 8 or above in 2023, there are a few factors you must have in order for her to be loyal:

1) The "be there first" guy. You met her while you were in college and high school and pair bonded naturally before her hypergamy kicked in.

2) You are above her SMV somehow, so you are exceptionally good looking, or very rich. Preferably both.

You have to objectively evaluate your SMV, this goes for all of us, me included, and probably give ourselves a few points lower and go for 6s, at best a 7.
 

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OP, this is well intentioned but really it will not work. The main thing is, if your girl is an 8 or above in 2023, there are a few factors you must have in order for her to be loyal:

1) The "be there first" guy. You met her while you were in college and high school and pair bonded naturally before her hypergamy kicked in.

2) You are above her SMV somehow, so you are exceptionally good looking, or very rich. Preferably both.

You have to objectively evaluate your SMV, this goes for all of us, me included, and probably give ourselves a few points lower and go for 6s, at best a 7.
To be honest with you man, I rarely go for the 8 girl.. My target is usually 6.5 - 7 because I know they likely will have there head screwed on a little.

That being said, even the 6.5 are getting corrupted and mind fuked by constant exposure to social media.

My ex was a 6.5 looks wise and a 8 body wise.. She barely had a job, lived in a small house in a run down neighborhood, comes from a poor immigrant family.

No savings, or college education.. Myself have a solid career, own my own property and nice car. In excellent physical shape, for my age. Got my head screwed on.

Even with my SMV being higher than hers, she was like a crack addict with social media and many many other girls I know of are.
 

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To be honest with you man, I rarely go for the 8 girl.. My target is usually 6.5 - 7 because I know they likely will have there head screwed on a little.

That being said, even the 6.5 are getting corrupted and mind fuked by constant exposure to social media.

My ex was a 6.5 looks wise and a 8 body wise.. She barely had a job, lived in a small house in a run down neighborhood, comes from a poor immigrant family.

No savings, or college education.. Myself have a solid career, own my own property and nice car. In excellent physical shape, for my age. Got my head screwed on.

Even with my SMV being higher than hers, she was like a crack addict with social media and many many other girls I know of are.
In the sales business we call this head trash. Don’t psych yourself out. I got divorced and literally told a girl last summer that it didn’t make any sense going out with me. She was 31, I was 38 and I had three kids. She’s like what are you talking about you’re awesome. I mean to be fair I was snapping shots of my being on the beach and partying with football players on July 4th but still. I even put it out that I was still married. She literally masturbated with me over the phone before we even met. I took her home to an almost empty apartment it was a shack with a king sized bed. Then i got one itis and here we are lol. You can do it.
 

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To be honest with you man, I rarely go for the 8 girl.. My target is usually 6.5 - 7 because I know they likely will have there head screwed on a little.

That being said, even the 6.5 are getting corrupted and mind fuked by constant exposure to social media.

My ex was a 6.5 looks wise and a 8 body wise.. She barely had a job, lived in a small house in a run down neighborhood, comes from a poor immigrant family.

No savings, or college education.. Myself have a solid career, own my own property and nice car. In excellent physical shape, for my age. Got my head screwed on.

Even with my SMV being higher than hers, she was like a crack addict with social media and many many other girls I know of are.
An 8 body is pretty much an 8 nowadays, especially for how thirsty so many guys are.

Willing to lie and sell her a dream, just to toss her to the side of the road when they are done.

With proper makeup and dolling up she could prop up herself to an 8 facially if she is a 6.5 naturally.

Her other life circumstances don't matter, only her physical appearance in this current marketplace.
 

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Patriarchy is the cornerstone of everything.

She doesn’t understand the patriarch is there to be served upon. If she is not willing to delete her photogenic attention baiting socials on her own merit for you then mandatory fwb status until you bleed the stone dry or cancel her.

The only smoking gun here is sticking to Old Testament of this forum since time of immemorial.
Abundance and getting laid by hook or by crook.

The female social media epidemic is insidious and just a black bottomless hole. It’s a catalyst for narcissists.The amount of narcissism required to contribute to instagram regularly is insane. They are far too gone now.

They will literally sell you the girlfriend vibes only 24 hours before, then go back to talking to whatever swinging d1ck on facebook or the gram. Submerge in freezing cold showers, pour out blood on the iron and hardened your heart this winter or else this will pierce thru your mental health if she is the only woman in the chamber. This is why we advocate keeping 3 viable options 24/7.
 
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Disagree, breaks from women after a breakup are beneficial and it’s not that hard to redownload a dating app. This is a scarcity mindset amigo.
 

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Patriarchy is the cornerstone of everything.

She doesn’t understand the patriarch is there to be served upon. If she is not willing to delete her photogenic attention baiting socials on her own merit for you then mandatory fwb status until you bleed the stone dry or cancel her.

The only smoking gun here is sticking to Old Testament of this forum since time of immemorial.
Abundance and getting laid by hook or by crook.

The female social media epidemic is insidious and just a black bottomless hole. It’s a catalyst for narcissists.The amount of narcissism required to contribute to instagram regularly is insane. They are far too gone now.

They will literally sell you the girlfriend vibes only 24 hours before, then go back to talking to whatever swinging d1ck on facebook or the gram. Submerge in freezing cold showers, pour out blood on the iron and hardened your heart this winter or else this will pierce thru your mental health if she is the only woman in the chamber. This is why we advocate keeping 3 viable options 24/7.
I agree with this.

I think it's about balance. If she is a light social media user, on an occasional basis, then that is something that can be worked with.

Any girl that is heavily into social media, or is an addict, you would be an absolute FOOL to eliminate/cut yourself off from other options, when she clearly is still Available on the dating market.

Her abundance mindset is real abundance, not the pretence abundance we are recommended to conjure up in our heads.
 

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If you need to do this you simply haven't screened properly and you have failed yourself.

Men cause 90% of their issues in their relationships by not screening properly or well enough. Too eager to get pvssy, too eager to ignore red flags, too eager to refuse to believe a woman that shows you who she is repeatedly because you don't want to.

Men need to stop trying to be like That Kid LEROI and listen to him when he says:

"So there you go...oh,
Can't make a wife out of a ho, so..."

This is what happens when a man can't hold himself accountable in that domain...just like when people do Keto it's because they can't hold themself accountable to not eat a bunch of refined sugars/processed carbs so it's just easier to get rid of all of them so you don't have to think of worry about it.

I support your opinion 100% @BeExcellent . Too many assumptions being made related to a woman's use of SM.

It can be used in many different ways, not just to attention seek.

The only thing I disagree with is this:



When you say "period" you leave no room for any other opinions besides yours. It's not black and white, there could be other reasons at play as well. .
Let's ignore the corrupting effects of social media.. A girl can have good intentions, however the effects of social media is very powerful & can easily effect a young impressionable female in a negative way,. which can end up harming her relationship.

It's not simply a matter of "do I trust her or don't trust her" it's also a matter of the overall corrupting nature of social media.
 

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Well. You should not commit to women that are big on social media to begin with. Meaning they have a public profile and care about obtaining more followers (orbiters!). I don’t think it is reasonable to demand she delete all social media profiles.

This whole exercise in the OP seems a bit unnecessary. It takes 15 minutes to create a dating profile online. If the relationship goes south it’s not a big deal to “get back out there.” In the meantime, actively sourcing and pursuing new chicks while in a relationship just takes time and investment away from the relationship you are trying to build with your girlfriend.

Yea good luck with that

Any woman with over 1K followers isn't deleting her instagram for anybody she's casually dating and asking her to do so screams insecurity

For me its not an area any man is going to come out winning from with 90% of women

Most women use attention like it is oxygen , Instagram Is free & virtually unlimited oxygen

The best you can aim for is a reduction in use , if she is content with you she generally won't be posting anyway

If bikini, selfies and night out shots start going up regularly then your in trouble

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The real question on everyones lips should be how will this dynamic play out as E girls get older, I can't see how single women in their 30's & 40's are going to be able to garner anywhere near the level of attention as they did in their 20's

I am kind of hoping the zeitgeist around instagram just destroys itself to be honest
 

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Any man who ever has dated a beautiful woman knows that they will always get hit on. Guess what men will approach her in person (or online)heck men would even approach her while she is with you
This is true. Most of this conversation has been focused around women getting hit on while using social media. For the purposes of this thread, it is assumed a woman in an LTR is not actively using a dating app. Though, it has been observed that there are women in relationships are on dating apps to survey the market as their LTR is going downhill or to get some validation. That's a topic for another conversation.

Women get hit on both using social media and in person. Most of the discussion here focused on women getting hit on while using Instagram and that's certainly warranted. Women also get hit on using other social media platforms too. While Facebook has diminished in the last 10-12 years (Facebook has been around since 2004), women can still get hit on using Facebook. It's extremely common for women who actively use LinkedIn to get hit on while using LinkedIn.

Women in relationships get hit on all the time in real life. I've done a lot of approaches in the real world. It is likely that many of my approaches have been on women already in relationships. Almost all of these women in relationships are not very receptive to these in-person approaches, and most of them fade out within 30 seconds. In those 30 seconds or so, they don't manage to tell me their relationship status, so I can only guess it.

Most women are fielding fewer in-person approaches as compared to their equivalent age woman 20-25 years ago. A 25 year old woman in 2000 was approached more in person than a 25 year old woman in 2023. In 2000, dating websites existed but were still stigmatized as something for losers, so most approaching was still done in-person in 2000. More people were motivated to approach in the real world in 2000. In 2023, more of the initiation of interactions has moved to the digital space, so fewer men feel the need to start interactions in person because they are able to do it all behind some screen electronically.

I know in 2023 the Redpill talking point is don't date women on Instagram or social media. Well good luck being single then because a majority of women have social media in 2023 and if you think she will delete it for you, she will just laugh in your face (please try it in person not something you heard online or read but actually try it with a woman and tell me how it ended up for you).

Good luck trying to have a woman delete her Instagram or Facebook who works in the fashion industry, beauty industry or any industry where they utilize their looks for monetary opportunities(I'm speaking from experience as a guy who was a videographer in the fashion industry for a couple of years) or just her social media in general because that's how she communicates with her friends and family.
I said the same thing in different words earlier in the thread so I agree. It's nearly impossible to find a woman who isn't on social media. It is possible to find a woman who is an infrequent user of social media and one who doesn't post thirst trap photos.

I would say that I have women hit on me more when I am in a relationship than when I'm not.
This is a common experience for men.

That being said, even the 6.5 are getting corrupted and mind fuked by constant exposure to social media.
Any woman with over 1K followers isn't deleting her instagram for anybody she's casually dating and asking her to do so screams insecurity
True. They also won't do that for anyone they are seriously dating and most men won't even ask for that. 1K followers isn't also that much either.

OP, this is well intentioned but really it will not work. The main thing is, if your girl is an 8 or above in 2023, there are a few factors you must have in order for her to be loyal:

1) The "be there first" guy. You met her while you were in college and high school and pair bonded naturally before her hypergamy kicked in.

2) You are above her SMV somehow, so you are exceptionally good looking, or very rich. Preferably both.
8s and above might not use swipe apps as much to find dates, but they are getting plenty of DMs on social media. They all have social media.

It's difficult to be the "be there first" guy. It's possible to get a woman earlier in her sexual history, which would be before she turns 23/graduates college if she attends college. I'm thinking about the women I met in my freshman year dorm when I was 18 in the 2001-2002 school year. In Fall 2001 when they arrived on campus, I would say most women I met in my dorm and in 1st semester freshman year classes had a notch count between 1-5. While not unspoiled, these women were less spoiled that the typical 27-35 year old.

Some men will have a multiple year LTR or even marry their primary girlfriend from college. It is becoming less common for couples meeting in college to stand the test of time. Most college graduates are not with their college era romantic partner 5 years after graduation.

Item 2 will always work. Guys don't want to go too far down in SMV for longer term relationship (guys might go down 1-2 points for an LTR). Guys will go 2 points or more down for shorter term casual sex but not a longer term relationship.

The real question on everyones lips should be how will this dynamic play out as E girls get older, I can't see how single women in their 30's & 40's are going to be able to garner anywhere near the level of attention as they did in their 20's
There are plenty of women in their 30s/40s right now who aren't in relationships, post sexy pics on Instagram, and get plenty of attention for it.

Women in their 30s/40s are not lacking for attention on either swipe apps or social media.

There are even women in their 30s/40s doing very well earning money on OnlyFans. We had one such thread about this last year.

 

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Let's ignore the corrupting effects of social media.. A girl can have good intentions, however the effects of social media is very powerful & can easily effect a young impressionable female in a negative way,. which can end up harming her relationship.

It's not simply a matter of "do I trust her or don't trust her" it's also a matter of the overall corrupting nature of social media.
Again. You failed to screen properly, period.

Or simply don't know how to.
 

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Again. You failed to screen properly, period.

Or simply don't know how to.
Dude you failed to read properly.. Stop failing to read.

I stated clearly in my post/thread, the best thing to do, is not to take these chicks seriously and vet them OUT for a relationship.

please stop failing in this area lol
 

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Yea good luck with that

Any woman with over 1K followers isn't deleting her instagram for anybody she's casually dating and asking her to do so screams insecurity

For me its not an area any man is going to come out winning from with 90% of women

Most women use attention like it is oxygen , Instagram Is free & virtually unlimited oxygen

The best you can aim for is a reduction in use , if she is content with you she generally won't be posting anyway

If bikini, selfies and night out shots start going up regularly then your in trouble

....................................................................................

The real question on everyones lips should be how will this dynamic play out as E girls get older, I can't see how single women in their 30's & 40's are going to be able to garner anywhere near the level of attention as they did in their 20's

I am kind of hoping the zeitgeist around instagram just destroys itself to be honest
Here’s one that you may want to keep an eye on. So instagram has a natural setting that if you don’t have a connection it doesn’t tell you anything about the persons status
 

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Keeping your eye on someone's social media is so enormously cringe.

Just don't date these women. And if you do, don't go exclusive but keep your options open.

All this 'keeping an eye on' what a woman does is scarcity mindset. Fear that she might dump you for some anonymous orbiter complimenting her on her filtered and photoshopped content.

Talk about being insecure. If a woman drops you because her IG followers are more interesting to her, you know you date the wrong woman.
No that’s not what I meant. Meaning, if she’s open to non connective messages, know that upfront and assess accordingly
 

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You put too much attention on her behaviour.
If her social media usage annoys you, just don't date her. You can even tell her that.
If a woman has a smartphone glued to her hand, I don't give a sh!t what she looks like, I will give my attention to women who are not distracted by social media.
Have some self-respect, don't date these immature attention seekers.
It's not just social media and social media addiction, it's the behaviours that come with that addiction.

Imagine having to constantly remind a girl to put her phone down because she is constantly on it, and she feels resentful towards you, for checking her addictive behaviour.. this type of dynamic is not worth it for a relationship.

Maybe for casual sex.. I learned my lesson the hard way on this.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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@soulforge with respect to your thread title,
choosing to remain on dating apps is different from being active on FB or even IG where many people share photos etc with family and friends.

NOT to "date" or have hook ups necessarily.

And if SHE is on dating apps herself, why should YOU do something just because some chick you met or are dating and f*cking is doing it?

If SHE is still on dating apps, dump her and find a chick with more integrity and class than to attention/validation seek or worse pick up other men while dating or f*cking YOU.

I believe in maintaining an abundance mindset, always. Whether in a relationship or not.

But an abundance "mindset" doesn't mean overtly engaging and meeting women off dating apps or collecting phone numbers on the street or in bars/clubs.

It's a "mindset" which means knowing (in your mind, having that self-confidence) you have an abundance of options if/when a relationship doesn't work out.

$.02.
 
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I think you shouldn't stay on 'dating apps' as I think women don't see your Tinder account as 'having options'. They know the statistics and with the male:female ratio on dating apps Tinder gives women way more options that it gives men.

Much better to 'be friendly' toward other women to show her you have options and are not dependent on her.
True.. Time is better spent approaching girls instead. That being said.. I don't have Tinder, I only have Bumble & I tend to get between 4-6 matches daily from Monday to Wednesday..

Nearer to the weekend my match rate shoots up to around 8 matches daily. That's not too bad I suppose.
 

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How is the ROI? How many useful dates, how much time do you spend on OLD?
That being said, they are mostly women in there mid 30s and early 40s

I don't care for older girls, that are recreationial use only.

I find girls age 20-25 the most attractive, and these girls are not online. Therefore I also cold approach the young chicks.
 
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