Young Girls & Their Text Games

[jamesfromhouston]

Hi gents.

I've noticed in my recent and past dating experience that younger girls (18 - 25) tend to play a lot of games on text messaging. I felt prompted to start this thread because recently there have been some bros that wrote about their frustrations of girls not texting consistently or texting back. While most of the time, the girl may just not be interested. Non reply is an actual response of no interest after all. But I've also noticed that younger girls tend to delay and time their replies more so than older girls.

Much of this is from my personal experience. I've noticed I'd text young girls to ask them out. They will usually reply hours and sometimes even 18 - 24 hours later. Conventional experience would indicate no interest right? Yet they will eventually respond, we will go out. We will ****. And in person, they will be highly interested and things will escalate. And when I am with them in person, I see they're always checking their phones every now and then. There's no way they wouldn't have not seen my text. And some of these girls when they turn into proper plates, they are super clingy and highly interested. Basically all that text wall they built up was false. But they always like acting super super disinterested on text. Slow response, one worded response and basically silence.

The only conclusion is that they're doing this as a sort of strategy and it works. A lot of us bros come onto SS to vent and ask opinions about delayed texting and no response. It ****s with our state and our power position.

Compare that to an older girl (27 - 35) they usually respond quite quick. A lot of them almost instantly. In fact as of typing this thread this 30+ chick is texting me at this very moment.

I do notice definitely more and more younger girls are doing this nowadays. It is really quite interesting. And some young girls I've ****ed have even admitted that they heard from their friends or online that they can't show too much interest in texting. It's a new culture and our conventional wisdom may contribute to us misinterpreting the window of opportunity of pursuing these girls. Yes girls with game are annoying but increasingly game is a culture for them too (because of weird TikTok dating gurus and fembots).

In other words, maybe sometimes delayed response and cold texting indicates the (young) girl is actually into you. She definitely wouldn't play games with someone she's not into. She may reply that guy quicker but may also ghost and not give much thought in her response.

 

[mikedee]

Every girl has her own texting "style", you just adapt. Some girls reply quickly, some don't, some write a lot, some very little.
You shouldn't worry about that, you just have to know when the girl has low interest so yiu can move on.
A mistake that most men make is overthinking text game. I text pretty much what I want now, I don't care. I just avoid double texting, too many questions or long complicated texts.
Texting can build attraction if you do it well.

 

[SW15]

When I read this, it sounds like a man who is losing the forest in the trees.

You shouldn't be dealing with "text messaging games" from either 18-25 year old women or 26-35 year old women. You need to strengthen your frame. You need to shift your interactions with women to mainly in-person stuff and not deal with women from behind an electronic screen. You might be ok with an occasional phone call set up from sending a text message. Text messaging in general needs to be limited to logistical details of in-person interactions only. That's your frame and you keep that throughout the relationships. You communicate that reality to women when you meet them in-person and set this ground rule.

She either follows your frame or she goes away.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #1

Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.

This said, I'll offer some comments below.

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I've also noticed that younger girls tend to delay and time their replies more so than older girls.

An 18-25 year old woman today was born in 1998-2005. Even for a 25 year old today that was born in 1998, the first iPhone was released in 2007 when she was 9 and text messaging had started to replace voice-based phone conversations to a great extent by the time she was 12-14 (early 2010s). Her earliest meaningful dating experiences at 14-16 or so were done with text messages. She is mainly accustomed to dealing with males from text messages. This is even more true for women born from 2002-2005.

A lot of 18-25 year old women likely also read online from a female-centric media outlet like Cosmopolitan, Evie, or something else to use this tactic to increase men's interest. So you're seeing some of that if you're noticing timing of replies.

Some of their delays in responses are also due to the absolute abundance that these women have. I can't speak for every female out there but their abundance is related to which methods they are using to meet men. Imagine a woman 18-25 active on Instagram, going to college, and being 21-22 and going to nightlife venues. How many men is she possible exposed to at any time? She's dealing with an immense volume of messages. This also increases if she uses swipe apps. Her tech-based options increases her total number of options as compared to a woman who is not very active on social media (almost all 18-25s will have a social media account) and keeps her interactions in the real world.

When I was 18-22, a college student, and dealing mainly with other 18-22s on campus, times were different. This was 2001-2005. In the 2001-2005 era, it was challenging enough to compete with all the other guys she met in her college classes, at the student gym, randomly on campus, and at off campus parties/bars if she was 21-22. All those venues still exist today, and they've been multiplied by social media platforms and swipe apps.

I've noticed I'd text young girls to ask them out. They will usually reply hours and sometimes even 18 - 24 hours later. Conventional experience would indicate no interest right? Yet they will eventually respond, we will go out. We will ****. And in person, they will be highly interested and things will escalate. And when I am with them in person, I see they're always checking their phones every now and then. There's no way they wouldn't have not seen my text. And some of these girls when they turn into proper plates, they are super clingy and highly interested. Basically all that text wall they built up was false. But they always like acting super super disinterested on text. Slow response, one worded response and basically silence.

Only ask them out in-person. Problem solved. Don't leave any details to be worked out after the fact. Force them to either reject you on the spot or accept your offer on the spot. Don't let them do some bullshiit like they give you their number and later on they claim that they are unavailable to go out because they recently re-connected with some ex-boyfriend or any other bullshiit excuse. Set the date in-person. Do not accept a phone number without arranging details of the date in-person.

Compare that to an older girl (27 - 35) they usually respond quite quick. A lot of them almost instantly. In fact as of typing this thread this 30+ chick is texting me at this very moment.

A 26-35 year old woman today was born between 1988-1997. A lot of 26-35 year old women are also over reliant in using text messages. Text messaging is bullshiit but most Millennials and Gen Z are so fuccking addicted to it. It's possible now that the oldest of Millennials (1981-1985 births, 38-42 year olds) might be able to use the phone more for voice communications.

With that said, 26-35 year old women might have less abundance in their lives in 18-25 year olds. 26-35 year old women are mainly working some bullshiit job and have access to fewer men in-person than an 18-25 year old (especially an 18-25 year old on a college campus). They are probably going out to nightlife venues less. The typical 26-35 year old interacts with fewer men in-person than an 18-25 year old, but she can have abundance from her social media and swipe app presence.

Most women in either age range are glued to their phones and could respond within a few hours if they really wanted to do so.

With women in both age ranges, you want to take your interactions away from text messaging as much as possible.

 

[mikedee]

When I read this, it sounds like a man who is losing the forest in the trees.

. Text messaging in general needs to be limited to logistical details of in-person interactions only. That's your frame and you keep that throughout the relationships.

That is the mistake right here, women are not rationsl like are. They want to have fun, they want to analyse, etc. I used to make that mistake, girls would eventually flake or ghost me, now I do the opposite and they usually stay around. Of course it's not black and white but yo be successful with women you have to be VERY flexible in your approach.

And drop that book man.. You take it too seriously. It's fun book but it's not very accurate, it's hardcore redpill and generalizations (written by a guy who's been maried for more than 20years) lol

 

[soulforge]

Have experienced this myself. Age 24, had her phone glued to her hand 24/7, would also wear a smart watch that alerted her immediately to every message she received, however Intentionally would take around 2 hours to respond back.

When they have a ton of beta options, they will try to treat you like a beta Simp too.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Hi gents.

I've noticed in my recent and past dating experience that younger girls (18 - 25) tend to play a lot of games on text messaging. I felt prompted to start this thread because recently there have been some bros that wrote about their frustrations of girls not texting consistently or texting back. While most of the time, the girl may just not be interested. Non reply is an actual response of no interest after all. But I've also noticed that younger girls tend to delay and time their replies more so than older girls.

Much of this is from my personal experience. I've noticed I'd text young girls to ask them out. They will usually reply hours and sometimes even 18 - 24 hours later. Conventional experience would indicate no interest right? Yet they will eventually respond, we will go out. We will ****. And in person, they will be highly interested and things will escalate. And when I am with them in person, I see they're always checking their phones every now and then. There's no way they wouldn't have not seen my text. And some of these girls when they turn into proper plates, they are super clingy and highly interested. Basically all that text wall they built up was false. But they always like acting super super disinterested on text. Slow response, one worded response and basically silence.

The only conclusion is that they're doing this as a sort of strategy and it works. A lot of us bros come onto SS to vent and ask opinions about delayed texting and no response. It ****s with our state and our power position.

Compare that to an older girl (27 - 35) they usually respond quite quick. A lot of them almost instantly. In fact as of typing this thread this 30+ chick is texting me at this very moment.

I do notice definitely more and more younger girls are doing this nowadays. It is really quite interesting. And some young girls I've ****ed have even admitted that they heard from their friends or online that they can't show too much interest in texting. It's a new culture and our conventional wisdom may contribute to us misinterpreting the window of opportunity of pursuing these girls. Yes girls with game are annoying but increasingly game is a culture for them too (because of weird TikTok dating gurus and fembots).

In other words, maybe sometimes delayed response and cold texting indicates the (young) girl is actually into you. She definitely wouldn't play games with someone she's not into. She may reply that guy quicker but may also ghost and not give much thought in her response.

the hotter the girl, the stronger games and the sh*t testing
The phone is the way they eliminate 98% of men because it gives her the ability to manipulate in ways she can’t in person due to fear and power imbalance.

the hotter the girl, the longer you should expect between getting the number and getting the date.
let her eliminate the competition then come back to you

generally speaking, the hotter and more socially desirable the girl, the lower the body count, because she is a ruthless eliminator of men

you must match her energy to the T
If she flakes
You flake the next time
If she ghosts for 2 days
You ghost for 3 days


You use intense emotional intelligence to know when to escalate and when to remain aloof

The hottest girls are looking for the real deal, a guy has the deep rooted belief he can get better options (all subcommunications)

don’t be mad at her for testing, if she didn’t test her body count would be astronomical

you must be a master of operating in the grey area when dealing with 8s and 9s. This is a different kind of war, it’s more like guerilla warfare

older girls respond quick because they have had their fun. They’ve had their alphas, now they want a simple minded beta. They don’t have time to waste.
If a woman hasn’t screened you before the date, it’s an insult - it means she doesn’t care about your value

if there wasn’t some mindf*cking prior, if it didn’t take some stealth to get her out, then guess what? Her time isn’t valuable and neither is yours

 

[SmoothSmooth]

When I read this, it sounds like a man who is losing the forest in the trees.

You shouldn't be dealing with "text messaging games" from either 18-25 year old women or 26-35 year old women. You need to strengthen your frame. You need to shift your interactions with women to mainly in-person stuff and not deal with women from behind an electronic screen. You might be ok with an occasional phone call set up from sending a text message. Text messaging in general needs to be limited to logistical details of in-person interactions only. That's your frame and you keep that throughout the relationships. You communicate that reality to women when you meet them in-person and set this ground rule.

She either follows your frame or she goes away.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #1

Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.

This said, I'll offer some comments below.

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An 18-25 year old woman today was born in 1998-2005. Even for a 25 year old today that was born in 1998, the first iPhone was released in 2007 when she was 9 and text messaging had started to replace voice-based phone conversations to a great extent by the time she was 12-14 (early 2010s). Her earliest meaningful dating experiences at 14-16 or so were done with text messages. She is mainly accustomed to dealing with males from text messages. This is even more true for women born from 2002-2005.

A lot of 18-25 year old women likely also read online from a female-centric media outlet like Cosmopolitan, Evie, or something else to use this tactic to increase men's interest. So you're seeing some of that if you're noticing timing of replies.

Some of their delays in responses are also due to the absolute abundance that these women have. I can't speak for every female out there but their abundance is related to which methods they are using to meet men. Imagine a woman 18-25 active on Instagram, going to college, and being 21-22 and going to nightlife venues. How many men is she possible exposed to at any time? She's dealing with an immense volume of messages. This also increases if she uses swipe apps. Her tech-based options increases her total number of options as compared to a woman who is not very active on social media (almost all 18-25s will have a social media account) and keeps her interactions in the real world.

When I was 18-22, a college student, and dealing mainly with other 18-22s on campus, times were different. This was 2001-2005. In the 2001-2005 era, it was challenging enough to compete with all the other guys she met in her college classes, at the student gym, randomly on campus, and at off campus parties/bars if she was 21-22. All those venues still exist today, and they've been multiplied by social media platforms and swipe apps.



Only ask them out in-person. Problem solved. Don't leave any details to be worked out after the fact. Force them to either reject you on the spot or accept your offer on the spot. Don't let them do some bullshiit like they give you their number and later on they claim that they are unavailable to go out because they recently re-connected with some ex-boyfriend or any other bullshiit excuse. Set the date in-person. Do not accept a phone number without arranging details of the date in-person.



A 26-35 year old woman today was born between 1988-1997. A lot of 26-35 year old women are also over reliant in using text messages. Text messaging is bullshiit but most Millennials and Gen Z are so fuccking addicted to it. It's possible now that the oldest of Millennials (1981-1985 births, 38-42 year olds) might be able to use the phone more for voice communications.

With that said, 26-35 year old women might have less abundance in their lives in 18-25 year olds. 26-35 year old women are mainly working some bullshiit job and have access to fewer men in-person than an 18-25 year old (especially an 18-25 year old on a college campus). They are probably going out to nightlife venues less. The typical 26-35 year old interacts with fewer men in-person than an 18-25 year old, but she can have abundance from her social media and swipe app presence.

Most women in either age range are glued to their phones and could respond within a few hours if they really wanted to do so.

With women in both age ranges, you want to take your interactions away from text messaging as much as possible.

Texting for only logistics is nonsense, you’re out of touch. you need to read the room. It’s 2023

Some girls need comfort
Some girls are happy to keep texting simple and logistically
Some girls want to play hot/cold games to find a truly confident man
Every girl of value, however, will test. The hotter the girl, the more time required to get a date, and the more games and advanced tests you can expect

Things which universally don’t work - being funny (wit however can work), silly, sexting (before the first date), Oversharing , overreacting, using emojis, showing too much emotional investment/enthusiasm, asking boring questions, destroying the mystery by being too available

- basically unmasculine behaviour - mistakes most guys make

Everything else on the cards

texting is a weapon which you should know how to use comfortably. If you don’t know how to do it, you are severely limiting your success

 

[mikedee]

Texting for only logistics is nonsense, you’re out of touch. you need to read the room. It’s 2023

Some girls need comfort
Some girls are happy to keep texting simple and logistically
Some girls want to play hot/cold games to find a truly confident man
Every girl of value, however, will test. The hotter the girl, the more time required to get a date, and the more games and advanced tests you can expect

Things which universally don’t work - being funny (wit however can work), silly, sexting (before the first date), Oversharing , overreacting, using emojis, showing too much emotional investment/enthusiasm, asking boring questions, destroying the mystery by being too available

- basically unmasculine behaviour - mistakes most guys make

Everything else on the cards

texting is a weapon which you should know how to use comfortably. If you don’t know how to do it, you are severely limiting your success

emojis work fine if you dont really care, i use it a lot with some girls, not at all with some other.
There are some emojis we should avoid though.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Stop playing these dumb texting games.

 

[mikedee]

Texting for only logistics is nonsense, you’re out of touch. you need to read the room. It’s 2023

Some girls need comfort
Some girls are happy to keep texting simple and logistically
Some girls want to play hot/cold games to find a truly confident man
Every girl of value, however, will test. The hotter the girl, the more time required to get a date, and the more games and advanced tests you can expect

Things which universally don’t work - being funny (wit however can work), silly, sexting (before the first date), Oversharing , overreacting, using emojis, showing too much emotional investment/enthusiasm, asking boring questions, destroying the mystery by being too available

- basically unmasculine behaviour - mistakes most guys make

Everything else on the cards

texting is a weapon which you should know how to use comfortably. If you don’t know how to do it, you are severely limiting your success

If you're her type you can text pretty much anything and it will hit.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Stop playing these dumb texting games.

Girls have time for that shyt.

Don't be a girl.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Texting is just communication
What is a date? It’s a face to face opportunity to communicate - for her to vet you and decide whether to sleep with you

to tell guys not to ‘play texting games’, you might aswell tell them not to turn up to the date too
Girls need to communicate with you, either in person or online/text, it’s all the same.
a lot of girls in their early 20s now feel more comfortable doing it online, especially the shy ones .

it’s really not that hard, these YouTube and PUA gurus have lied and overcomplicated texting, and told you that you need to ‘raise her interest’ and ‘ping’ her etc which has fumbled your whole swagger. You just need to talk. Don’t flirt. Just keep the convo going, get to know each other and lead towards a meet up. As the post above said, when she likes you, she’s grateful for your participation and you can say anything, ideally she’s the one reacting to you.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Generally speaking, the hotter and more socially desirable the girl, the lower the body count, because she is a ruthless eliminator of men
Don’t be mad at her for testing, if she didn’t test her body count would be astronomical

This guy knows whatsup

 

[mikedee]

This guy knows whatsup

100%

 

[zekko]

I've noticed in my recent and past dating experience that younger girls (18 - 25) tend to play a lot of games on text messaging. I felt prompted to start this thread because recently there have been some bros that wrote about their frustrations of girls not texting consistently or texting back. While most of the time, the girl may just not be interested. Non reply is an actual response of no interest after all. But I've also noticed that younger girls tend to delay and time their replies more so than older girls.

Much of this is from my personal experience. I've noticed I'd text young girls to ask them out. They will usually reply hours and sometimes even 18 - 24 hours later. Conventional experience would indicate no interest right? Yet they will eventually respond, we will go out. We will ****. And in person, they will be highly interested and things will escalate. And when I am with them in person, I see they're always checking their phones every now and then. There's no way they wouldn't have not seen my text.

That sounds like a valid observation. I think you are right they are doing this as a strategy. I've seen this scenario on sitcoms and other media many times. They present it as if you respond quickly, then it sends the message that you are desperate and uninteresting. It gets a reaction like "Ewww". So yeah, I think this has been drilled into them by the culture. And remember that girls are almost always more highly educated on game than males are. Males have to blindly flounder on their own, unless or until they happen upon some red pill content.

 

[sharkfinale]

Keep all notifications on mute, guys. Check messages just couple of times a day. Now the girls will be trying to catch you online and eager to text you. Then they will psychoanalyze your texting game on their forums or wherever.

Women have to play these games. We don't.

 

[kavi]

Lols at being upset cos women dont text back, txt back late, or any of that.

I think in the future txt game is gonna be as important as IRL game. I mean it wont replace IRL presence, but it will be an important stage to pass with any chick. There is simply no getting around the fact that txt is too useful a communicating tool.

I dont think the strategy of trying to move quickly past the text stage, text only for logistics etc, I dont think any of that will work in the future. Maybe with desperate girls only..

 

[BackInTheGame78]

They are trying to weed super needy guys out. Can you blame them? That's the default guy they deal with on a regular basis.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Lols at being upset cos women dont text back, txt back late, or any of that.

I think in the future txt game is gonna be as important as IRL game. I mean it wont replace IRL presence, but it will be an important stage to pass with any chick. There is simply no getting around the fact that txt is too useful a communicating tool.

I dont think the strategy of trying to move quickly past the text stage, text only for logistics etc, I dont think any of that will work in the future. Maybe with desperate girls only..

we are already at that stage
And ur instagram profile is as important as your in person swag for the hot 21 year olds

 

[jamesfromhouston]

When I read this, it sounds like a man who is losing the forest in the trees.

You shouldn't be dealing with "text messaging games" from either 18-25 year old women or 26-35 year old women. You need to strengthen your frame. You need to shift your interactions with women to mainly in-person stuff and not deal with women from behind an electronic screen. You might be ok with an occasional phone call set up from sending a text message. Text messaging in general needs to be limited to logistical details of in-person interactions only. That's your frame and you keep that throughout the relationships. You communicate that reality to women when you meet them in-person and set this ground rule.

A lot of 18-25 year old women likely also read online from a female-centric media outlet like Cosmopolitan, Evie, or something else to use this tactic to increase men's interest. So you're seeing some of that if you're noticing timing of replies.

Only ask them out in-person. Problem solved. Don't leave any details to be worked out after the fact. Force them to either reject you on the spot or accept your offer on the spot. Don't let them do some bullshiit like they give you their number and later on they claim that they are unavailable to go out because they recently re-connected with some ex-boyfriend or any other bullshiit excuse. Set the date in-person. Do not accept a phone number without arranging details of the date in-in-person.

With women in both age ranges, you want to take your interactions away from text messaging as much as possible.

Thanks for the response.

I am not talking about gaming them or pursuing them on text. I meant even when I set up logistics of a date on text, younger girls will play the delay game to respond to my text asking them out.

I have also tried to set up a next date in person. But it tends to suck for 2 reasons, I feel telling a girl in person while on a date that I want to see her again later in the week is 1) a bit needy sounding 2) it takes away the surprise of me asking her out suddenly and also the freedom of my schedule.