The woman should come out and tell us when they want sex

[GoodMan32]

The only place this could be an issue is at work which is on the guy anyway since they shouldn't be looking to bang women at their job.

And this is only an issue if done repeatedly where the woman already turns them down and they continue asking.

It's not harassment to ask once. It's harassment when they continue to ask after they already were declined.

So again, this means they did what they shouldn't do not once but multiple times, and usually more than 2 because most women don't want to go to HR until it becomes absolutely necessary and they feel like they have no other choice to get it to stop.

But the bigger issue is why does it happen in the first place? Because most guys these days have no social skills, no tact, no conversational skills and are very awkward when talking to other people, especially women.

It's at the point I just shake my head at some of the stuff I see the younger generations doing.

I've flirted with female coworkers before. Other than this one female coworker at a past job who showed off (what I thought were) some pretty severe dtf clues, I try to only do mild flirts (so that way I can pass off the flirts as mere friendliness if need be).

Social media first became big as I was entering high school. I think that's why my generation (and the generation behind me) are more awkward with women compared to previous generations. We were hiding behind a screen during our teen years (the years when it's crucial to develop your skills with girls)

 

[FlirtLife]

I'm going to share a story that happened 5+ years ago.

A woman took a liking to me when we were both in line to buy some merch at a festival. She ended up spending the rest of the festival with me. She was handsy with me throughout the festival.

We went out to dinner afterwards.

For those of you reading the story, it probably sounds like she was dtf, right?

Here's where the plot twist comes in. After dinner, I told her there's a good view from the rooftop of my building. And I commented I have a fridge to keep her leftovers from spoiling. So, without coming out and telling her I wanted sex (to avoid looking desperate), I was at least hinting.

She ended up going straight home.

I think your rooftop suggestion was good: you paint a romantic picture of being on a rooftop together enjoying the stars...
... but then you spoil the mood by talking about leftovers.

 

[GoodMan32]

I think your rooftop suggestion was good: you paint a romantic picture of being on a rooftop together enjoying the stars. But then you spoil the mood talking about leftovers.

It's a fact her leftovers would have spoiled if they didn't go straight into a fridge. Had I only mentioned the rooftop (and not said anything about the leftovers), I guarantee she would have said she had to get her leftovers home before they spoil. When I mentioned my fridge, I was rebutting her would-be excuse pre-emptively.

 

[parabellum]

OP use KINO (progressively sensualized touching) to find out if she's down

This is really all you need.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Tinder allows women to do just that. Now women can specify exactly what they want and say honestly when they want sex with no social taboo at all.

Unfortunately for men, they all want the same guy: the rich, handsome, tall, famous young guy with a six pack and a 6" kok that drives a Ferrari. Now, thanks to The App, they can get* him.

(*for one night and then they spend the rest of their lives angry and bitter after he ditches them)

I’m not tall, rich, famous, young. No 6-pack. No Ferrari. Tinder was great.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Why not? @Hamurabimbi does this and it's something that regular happens in the office. What you mean to say is average and below average guys should't be looking, but then that would be catering to feminist hive mentality rather than anything objectively relevant.



I've heard a guy say that he got married to a woman who had rejected him multiple times before and that if you quit too soon, you might miss out on a great relationship. It's contrary to nature of how females operate that you are going to get a clear-cut answer when they can be ambigious and send mixed message.



Not all nos mean no....some nos mean maybe. Again, not every interaction works like that.

@EyeBRollin wants to complain incels are infiltrating the forum but is failing to realize that there aren't that many seduction options like before. If you are not in the top tier of guys then you are in a staight-jacket. You can only ask once and then quit at the first sign of resistance/rejection. You can't do anything at work or you might get fired. You get more and more weak advice because it's not the 2000s and you either can pull women with ease or the juice is not worth the squeeze (ie of course, self-improve until you can pull with ease).

Funny the same people complaining about this are the sames ones who are fat and out of shape, have poor nutrition diets full of junk food and refined sugars, work dead end jobs, can't keep a job or are unemployed and have no real ambition to do anything with their lives.

Coincidence? Unlikely.

Just manifestations of the same unaccountability to themselves in different facets of their life.

 

[corrector]

Funny the same people complaining about this are the sames ones who are fat and out of shape, have poor nutrition diets full of junk food and refined sugars, work dead end jobs, can't keep a job or are unemployed and have no real ambition to do anything with their lives.

Coincidence? Unlikely.

Just manifestations of the same unaccountability to themselves in different facets of their life.

What are you talking about? You were saying no means no or it's harassment and now what is this.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

What are you talking about? You were saying no means no or it's harassment and now what is this.

I'm saying the people complaining that they have to keep going at chicks to "wear them down" do so because they take no accountability in other aspects of their life that make a woman think they are a good catch and happy to go out with.

I've never had this issue, nor have many others on here.

Instead of hoping a woman lowers her standards to meet yours, why don't you raise them far above where they are now as the standard you set for yourself?

Effectively, fvck her standards, where are YOUR standards that you would chase a woman that hard?

 

[GoodMan32]

I think your rooftop suggestion was good: you paint a romantic picture of being on a rooftop together enjoying the stars...
... but then you spoil the mood by talking about leftovers.

To add onto my previous reply: The fact all it takes is one tiny misdeed to ruin a lay, that only reinforces why I utilize escorts.

 

[GoodMan32]

She liked you, also dinner is a boring date, also I'm sure you didn't escalate to kiss her. You have invited her to do a fun activity where drinks are involved.

I didn't even attempt to kiss her, no.

There were drinks at the festival we met at (She drank at the festival. I did not).

There were drinks at the restaurant too (we both had one).

I'm not big on alcohol. I cap myself at one drink. If it's true that I need to consume drinks galore to maximize my odds of getting laid, probably for the best I mainly utilize escorts.

 

[The Duke]

This forum has been infiltrated by incels.

I tried to tell the mods about it. Eventually the good ones leave.

 

[GoodMan32]

I tried to tell the mods about it. Eventually the good ones leave.

Doesn't it make perfect sense guys with a hard time getting laid join a forum about getting laid?

 

[The Duke]

Doesn't it make perfect sense guys with a hard time getting laid join a forum about getting laid?

It's becoming an epidemic. That's the problem.
There are some fundamental mindsets that just aren't there. Nothing that could be taught here will overcome that. You are in that boat. I'd love to help you but your mindset isnt right.

 

[GoodMan32]

It's becoming an epidemic. That's the problem.

I think any epidemic on this forum is indicative of a larger societal pattern.

Incels are becoming more common in general society. This means forums, workplaces, etc will all have more incels today than 15 years ago.

 

[The Duke]

I think any epidemic on this forum is indicative of a larger societal pattern.

Incels are becoming more common in general society. This means forums, workplaces, etc will all have more incels today than 15 years ago.

So how do the guys that understand women help guys like you?

 

[GoodMan32]

It's becoming an epidemic. That's the problem.
There are some fundamental mindsets that just aren't there. Nothing that could be taught here will overcome that. You are in that boat. I'd love to help you but your mindset isnt right.

I just saw how you added onto your post.

I'm willing to learn. When I've tried to get sex without paying, I've had way more failures than successes though. The idea of learning from failures hasn't helped me.

Then even on this forum, there's conflicting advice (Text her a lot. Do minimal texting. Invite her over. Don't invite her over).

I guess it doesn't help that every woman is different. What works on one might not work on another.

 

[The Duke]

@GoodMan32 can a zebra change it's stripes? A woman can't either. Don't expect them to come out and tell you they want sex. Don't ever wish the game was easier. Wish you were better and figure out how to get there.

 

[GoodMan32]

So how do the guys that understand women help guys like you?

Here's what I intended to get out of this forum: Learn some cheat codes (In other words: Do this, this, and that. You'll get guaranteed sex).

Escorts are a cheat code I've discovered to get sex. My next step is learning cheat codes to get free sex.

 

[BadBoy89]

Here's the problem, however: Guys aren't mind readers. I have no doubt there have been many cases where a woman wants sex from a guy, but ends up not getting sex from him (because he isn't 100% sure whether he should propose sex).

The solution? The woman should propose sex. Hardly any men will say no. The woman ends up getting the romp she wants. The guy isn't forced to rely on reading clues. Win-win for both parties.

You are using logic. There is no logic when it comes to young hot women. They are manipulators and opportunists.

Young hot women won’t propose sex.

1. She has to keep her societal image
2. She has to extract as much amount of resources first
3. She wants to see how many options that guy has first

Suppose a 48 year old rich menopausal woman wanted to have sex with you but you weren’t feeling it. She was buying you stuff and taking you to dinners and really spoiling you. You would give in and have sex with her or would delay as much as you could to get more resources from her.

It’s the same with young hot women.

 

[The Duke]

Here's what I intended to get out of this forum: Learn some cheat codes (In other words: Do this, this, and that. You'll get guaranteed sex).

Escorts are a cheat code I've discovered to get sex. My next step is learning cheat codes to get free sex.

You need reprogrammed. Like send you to boot camp and break you down til you are about to die.

About the only value an escort has is for an inexperienced guy to have physical contact with a woman. Thats it. Nothing special about it. A guy can go to any supermarket and pay a few dollars and get any piece of meat.

Women aren't some cheesy video game. There are no cheat codes. Its not computer programming(btw I know a few programming languages). Its not X+Y=Z. Its not inputs and outputs. Its not linear. There is no algorithm.

Social skills is your problem. You try and make rational/logical sense out of a creature that really isn't that. Thats why you lose. I read your stories. You're good at drying up the vagina and killing all tingles.

Your goal needs to be capturing a woman's mind and soul. That takes social skills and understanding emotional logic. You do that and she will happily give you her pu$$y on a silver platter. I've always been rewarded because I did all the ground work to seal the deal. Most all have begged me to fuhk them. I've only had one woman ever tell me no. Mental Foreplay is what its all about.