Men need to read and re-read this 20 times until it sinks in...

[SW15]

Do men not know this?

If a women doesn't make it extremely easy and obvious to date her, I next immediatley.

Most men are fighting for scraps, especially on the swipe apps and Instagram.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Most men are fighting for scraps, especially on the swipe apps and Instagram.

I'm starting to lose touch with what most men experience. But I didn't think that type of man was on this forum anyway.

 

[Barrister]

That's exactly the problem. Men become comfortable, gain 50 lbs, stop taking care of themselves and stop being the fun, exciting guy she dated and fell in love with and start being the guy that sits on the couch all day, drinks beer and plays video games.

Relationships take work. There isn't an easy button. If you want that, it doesn't exist so stop looking for one.

Most men don't do any work on the relationship after a certain point and that's when the slow decline starts and picks up speed once the woman stops putting the work in after a point where she gets tired of dragging the guy along in it.

Like it or not that's the truth.

This certainly can happen. But there are many times the relationship dynamics change through no real fault of the man. Many women can cash it in just as easily a man can. Your description can apply to both sides. I have known multiple men who have gotten married and it is the woman who gets fat, acts highly entitled about everything with no sense of appreciation for what the man is providing, and is just generally a stick in the mud to be around.

Agree on your post - but lets not act like this is one-sided by any means.

 

[SW15]

I'm starting to lose touch with what most men experience. But I didn't think that type of man was on this forum anyway.

SoSuave forum participants don't always reflect men as a whole. There are so many average frustrated chumps (AFC) out there and some of them make their way to SoSuave. The ones that do make their way to SoSuave often want to reform from being an AFC.

The typical man is a thirsty guy who is trying to swipe/text his way into dates/sex via apps. He's also a regular masturbator from porn tube websites and he might even be an OnlyFans pay pig. He might be doing some nightlife venue approaching but it's highly unlikely he's doing traditional non-bar approaching. He might also be try to get women in co-ed sports league.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This certainly can happen. But there are many times the relationship dynamics change through no real fault of the man. Many women can cash it in just as easily a man can. Your description can apply to both sides. I have known multiple men who have gotten married and it is the woman who gets fat, acts highly entitled about everything with no sense of appreciation for what the man is providing, and is just generally a stick in the mud to be around.

Agree on your post - but lets not act like this is one-sided by any means.

It isn't but from what I've seen it's at least 3-1 men getting fat and out of shape while the women stay in shape and at the gym.

 

[SW15]

A "super millionaire chad" who doesn't appear 46 like him, can get a way younger woman than a 37 years old. Look at DiCaprio, no excuses for that $hit. I guess he will always be a beta male

I agree he is a beta male. The Bridget Moynahan relationship from 2004-2006 proved he is a beta. A 37 year old girlfriend is an above average get for a 46 year old man.

 

[SW15]

A 37 year old girlfriend is an above average get for a 46 year old man.

Irina Shayk is a 37 year old single mom. She's attractive for a 37 year old single mom, but she's still a single mom.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Even the fata$$ @BackInTheGame78 is banging according to him a 25 years old hottie, and how old is he like 45?

Based on your details being 300 lbs, you are much more of that description than I am.

34" waists aren't exactly flags for being obese.

 

[johnrambo]

"Irina doesn't mind traveling to see him. She is very excited about the relationship."

She is 37 not that young. She looks good for her age with botox and plastic surgery. Don't "models" retire at that age?

 

[The Duke]

It's important for a man to understand exactly what his SMV is and what percentile that places him in. This way you have a better idea of what you are capable of. Your best matches will be with women that have an equivalent DMV.

The past 10years I've been in the top 18th percentile of men. It reflects in what I get in the dating world. I can get an HB8 a few years younger with a good job, good brain, no kids.

There was a time where my SMV wasn't high enough to get an HB8 with no kids and a good brain. I had to settle for crazier HB8 girls or ones with kids.

 

[sangheilios]

Agree with this but with a caveat. A woman will only act like this around you if a) she is ugly and desperate or b) you are a high value male. In other words, if you're an average dude, you will never have a supermodel acting like this around you.

The idea is that women that are interested, particularly have high interest, make things easy for you. They will make themselves available and actually put effort into trying to spend time with you. I think the main issue is that most men never really meet a woman who has high interest, at least from right off the start. It's very rare for a woman to act like this with a man she just met and I think your take on this is correct.

Here is a good example. Let's say you've been talking to some woman off of a dating site and she lives a few hours away. If she is willing to travel to you, when you barely even know each other, I would see that as odd.

 

[sangheilios]

Agree with this but with a caveat. A woman will only act like this around you if a) she is ugly and desperate or b) you are a high value male. In other words, if you're an average dude, you will never have a supermodel acting like this around you.

This actually reminds me of something I read on another forum years ago. This guy was talking about being messaged by a "woman" on facebook saying how "she" liked what she saw and everything. Unless the guy was some insanely attractive male model or had celebrity status of some sort, there is no god damn way a woman would ever message a random man like this on social media. Chances are it was a gay dude trying to catfish the guy in order to get **** pics lol. The only exception to this is if the woman was incredibly unattractive, which I don't think was the case because he was mentioning how the person looked attractive lol.

 

[BadBoy89]

"Irina doesn't mind traveling to see him. She is very excited about the relationship."

- Irina is 37,
- losing her looks by the minute,
- is a single mother of a 6-year-old boy

Of course she "doesn't mind" traveling to see a 6'4 rich famous athlete and is "very excited" about the relationship. Her status increases five-fold having sex with him.

Now if Irina was 25, single, no kids, no divorces, and "didn't mind" traveling to see a normal-height, above-average-income guy who was 36 and had 0 kids himself, and was "excited" about her relationship, then the point is made.

The point is not made when the woman's status is crashed, and the man's status is high.

Stop accepting scraps from the table from disinterested women and focus on finding a woman who acts like THIS around you.

The only way a woman will act like this is if his status is high and her status is much lower. If her status is high, she knows she can replace the guy at any second. But if her status is low, then the may care a bit more.

If a woman flakes on you, makes it seem like you have to jump through hoops to see her, gives you "maybe" as an answer when asking if she is free, etc, it's because SHE ISNT THAT INTERESTED!

Agree

 

[BackInTheGame78]

- Irina is 37,
- losing her looks by the minute,
- is a single mother of a 6-year-old boy

Of course she "doesn't mind" traveling to see a 6'4 rich famous athlete and is "very excited" about the relationship. Her status increases five-fold having sex with him.

Now if Irina was 25, single, no kids, no divorces, and "didn't mind" traveling to see a normal-height, above-average-income guy who was 36 and had 0 kids himself, and was "excited" about her relationship, then the point is made.

The point is not made when the woman's status is crashed, and the man's status is high.



The only way a woman will act like this is if his status is high and her status is much lower. If her status is high, she knows she can replace the guy at any second. But if her status is low, then the may care a bit more.



Agree

Women who have crashed values don't get invited to parties thrown by Billionaires and meet and date Millionaires and famous athletes.

Let's stop being delusional by trying to apply some canned stuff to situations where it doesn't apply. Makes you sound silly.

 

[BadBoy89]

Women who have crashed values don't get invited to parties thrown by Billionaires and meet and date Millionaires and famous athletes.

Let's stop being delusional by trying to apply some canned stuff to situations where it doesn't apply. Makes you sound silly.

There is no man in the history of Sosuave, let alone the world, who would care that a single mother of a 6 year old boy was “was excited” about their relationship, or would care she travelled to see him.

Let’s not be silly and delude ourselves.

 

[Gamisch]

It's important for a man to understand exactly what his SMV is and what percentile that places him in. This way you have a better idea of what you are capable of. Your best matches will be with women that have an equivalent DMV.

The past 10years I've been in the top 18th percentile of men. It reflects in what I get in the dating world. I can get an HB8 a few years younger with a good job, good brain, no kids.

There was a time where my SMV wasn't high enough to get an HB8 with no kids and a good brain. I had to settle for crazier HB8 girls or ones with kids.

THiS is a quality answer.

My smv must be between 6 and 8. But that means ALL ages races ect.

- Irina is 37,
- losing her looks by the minute,
- is a single mother of a 6-year-old boy

Of course she "doesn't mind" traveling to see a 6'4 rich famous athlete and is "very excited" about the relationship. Her status increases five-fold having sex with him.

Now if Irina was 25, single, no kids, no divorces, and "didn't mind" traveling to see a normal-height, above-average-income guy who was 36 and had 0 kids himself, and was "excited" about her relationship, then the point is made.

The point is not made when the woman's status is crashed, and the man's status is high.



The only way a woman will act like this is if his status is high and her status is much lower. If her status is high, she knows she can replace the guy at any second. But if her status is low, then the may care a bit more.



Agree

Brady the Bluepilled beta bytch. Say that 4 times.

Is this the "all American " male example? Imo leonardo DiCaprio is a better example for the average don juan.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I imagine her traveling with the kid to meet him, yeah he got a super deal

I am sure she has a nanny...

Let's take a look here. Random dudes on the net, most of whom would give their left nut to bang a chick as hot as her in their lifetime, versus one of the best QBs of all-time who is super rich, tall and good looking and who could likely bang 80% of women.

He thinks she is valuable but the randos online don't. Delusional.

 

[member162951]

If a women doesn't make it extremely easy to date her, next her immediately.

In theory, I agree, however and I'm guilty of this myself, easy women are boring, there's nothing inspiring me, challenging me. And I will eventually lose my attraction no matter how hot.

A woman a bit more *difficult* keeps me challenged not to the point she's a raving psycho but definitely NOT a *yes* woman, a woman who always makes it easy for me. A doormat basically.

If that's yall cuppa tea, go for it, not for me.

Newsflash at @pipeman84, men and women choose *each other.* But agree if either is choosing poorly, they need to check their picker, may need some fine tuning.

My girl works with a 34 year old attractive looking chick who has never had a LTR. Only a series of short term where the guy kept flaking and treating her like yesterday's news.

To be fair, never heard his side of things tho, was probably much different from hers.

 

[pipeman84]

Newsflash at @pipeman84, men and women choose *each other.* But agree if either is choosing poorly, they need to check their picker, may need some fine tuning.

Men do the picking, but women do the choosing. There's a BIG difference here, it is not word play. The woman chooses to spread the legs and let the guy enter her, literally and figuratively speaking. The consequences of this act are greater for the woman, both from an emotional and physical (pregnancy potential) point.

My girl works with a 34 year old attractive looking chick who has never had a LTR. Only a series of short term where the guy kept flaking and treating her like yesterday's news.

To be fair, never heard his side of things tho, was probably much different from hers.

An attractive looking girl that has sex with several guys but can't keep any of them in a relationship? That can only mean she has a lot of red flags and baggage. If she dated them but didn't have sex and no relationship ensued then most probably she's a quality girl with high standards.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Don't overthink it.

If she seems down, invite her out alone and make a move.

If she seems shy or cool or disinterested, do the same.

Obviously if she won't make time, not your problem, move on.