Why most guys suck at dating apps.

[CornbreadFed]

You offer to cook her dinner and a "movie" at your place

I agree with the above poster. I am not taking some random girl to my apartment before meeting her and I don't trust women that are open to that as well.

 

[CornbreadFed]

@CornbreadFed i think you better pass the beans and tell me how you do it? I used to be pretty good at it. This is the first time I've used it in 5yrs and something has changed. Maybe it's too hot(the weather, not the women), maybe I'm too old. My pics are good, I hear that often.

I bet I left swipe 90% of the women on OLD. And maybe 5% are attractive enough that I actually want to put some effort into setting up a date. Tinder is garbage. Hinge and Bumble are full of fats, libtards, and blue haired tatted up hoe's.

I've gone out with one chic from OLD in the last 3mo. I used to go out with 3 per month.

I just don't see the talent. I only date HB8's. if you think it's so great, how attractive are the girls you go out with?

I just see very few possible candidates.

1). Where do you live at? Your location matters greatly because this will affect your talent pool. Most women have a hard unnegotiable 5-10 mile radiuses from where they live at.

2). TBH, at your age you are probably better off on Seeking Arrangements or another app that caters to younger women seeking older men. Based on the women I interact with, they had strict age caps.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Which in a fucced up way proves my point, why would you take a chick you're barely attracted too on a date and spend money?
I'm not saying to bang ugly chicks all I'm saying is in 2023 dating is a$$ backwards, some women would rather have sex with you first than if they like your personality keep you around, it use to be the opposite, also now you have a rise in open/poly relationships something that use to be more underground in 2013 has literally become mainstream

And the ones who are not ugly looking are F*cked in the head. I went on an OLD date for like 3 hours a few years ago. She picked the most expensive fish sandwich on the menu and a lot of the date she complained about her family, her teaching job doesn't pay enough and her brother sexually assaulting her when she was younger. Then a few days later she said I complained about my dad's death too much when I only mentioned it once. She also said she was going on 5 dates a week from Match and was getting free meals. I saw on FB one of the simps who took her to Applebee's bought her a bunch of flowers that following Monday delivered to her classroom. No wonder women's egos are HUGE when simps are buying them flowers after a first date.

 

[I_have_BDE]

I agree with the above poster. I am not taking some random girl to my apartment before meeting her and I don't trust women that are open to that as well.

Here in FL a great chance it's a set up for robbery. A guy will be following in a car nearby. Stuff like that has happened down here.

 

[I_have_BDE]

@CornbreadFed i think you better pass the beans and tell me how you do it? I used to be pretty good at it. This is the first time I've used it in 5yrs and something has changed. Maybe it's too hot(the weather, not the women), maybe I'm too old. My pics are good, I hear that often.

I bet I left swipe 90% of the women on OLD. And maybe 5% are attractive enough that I actually want to put some effort into setting up a date. Tinder is garbage. Hinge and Bumble are full of fats, libtards, and blue haired tatted up hoe's.

I've gone out with one chic from OLD in the last 3mo. I used to go out with 3 per month.

I just don't see the talent. I only date HB8's. if you think it's so great, how attractive are the girls you go out with?

I just see very few possible candidates.

before COVID OLD wasn't nearly as bad as all. I'm not six foot and some crappy pics and got traction on it. Lots of numbers. it seems around the fall of 2020 OLD dried up. Tons less women and TONS less hotties on it than before covid. OLD bores me now. Doesn't turn me on.

Match and Facebook dating were great. Match a bit better for a guy my age, lots of hotties my age range. Match LLC buying them up doesn't help and charging an arm and a leg. They ruined all the OLD sites since they own most of them.

Bumble is how you describe it. Feminist and girls fatties and tats or there just to get insta followers. Tinder also trash. Tinder even seeing hos openly stating they have herpies or trans.

I think of OLD like this now. If you walked into a grocery story and most of the items are moldy, produce bad and product expired. Would you stay in there long and buy it? That's what I mostly see on OLD. Trash. I still have Match pay like 40 bucks a month but want to cancel. All I see is crap.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

@CornbreadFed i think you better pass the beans and tell me how you do it? I used to be pretty good at it. This is the first time I've used it in 5yrs and something has changed. Maybe it's too hot(the weather, not the women), maybe I'm too old. My pics are good, I hear that often.

I bet I left swipe 90% of the women on OLD. And maybe 5% are attractive enough that I actually want to put some effort into setting up a date. Tinder is garbage. Hinge and Bumble are full of fats, libtards, and blue haired tatted up hoe's.

I've gone out with one chic from OLD in the last 3mo. I used to go out with 3 per month.

I just don't see the talent. I only date HB8's. if you think it's so great, how attractive are the girls you go out with?

I just see very few possible candidates.

Duke I would do some variable elimination and list your age as the same age you listed 5 years ago (assuming you weren't cutting 10 years off before). The older your listed age, the worse your results on OLD once you get over 40.

 

[SW15]

1). They have a higher emotional investment in the apps than girls- Girls always have 1 or 2 guys they can fallback to if needed. Your typical girl is on the app simply because she said "fvck it, why not". In some cases, mentally damaged girls will use apps to vent out their anger and trauma on random men. Meanwhile, most men are on the apps because they see it as a viable option to find their future partner and take it way more seriously. As a result, you have a lot of guys that put too much hopium into a girl that is simply on Tinder for lolz and he gets completely owned. Every time waster/toxic female will display her red flags to you, but it is up to you to open your eyes to them.

I agree with this point. I see more men taking the effort of swipe apps more seriously than women. Men who take dating apps seriously and aren't Top 15-20% men get destroyed on the apps.

I see way too much thirst and outcome dependency on the apps.

2). They are lazy, fragile, entitled- Most guys initially think they are the only guy on the app swiping right on women. They are then astonished by the number of male competitors on the apps and become bitter about it. Meanwhile, you do not have any good pictures of yourself, you say the same opening line to every girl you match with, you are a low value male with unreasonably high expectations, you live in your mom's basement in a suburb, and etc. As a result, instead of taking the time to fix these issues, these guys just making up conspiracies or blaming the logarithm. The good news is that it is not that hard to set yourself apart from 99% of men on the apps. I have lived in East Jabip, Montana and still managed to get laid on the apps.

I agree with this. The male competition on the apps is insane. It's often worse than what is seen at a nightlife venue. When a man is at a nightlife venue and he sees that it is 65-80% men, he leaves the nightlife venue. Guess what? Hinge/Bumble are estimated to be 65% male and Tinder is estimated to be 75% male. While some men are wise enough to know this stat, a fair about of chump men don't know it. Even if you know it, it's an abstract concept compared to seeing it in reality in the real world at a nightlife venue.

The intense male competition does make it more difficult to get laid and/or get longer term relationships.

3). They have bad game - I will firmly stand by this statement.... There is no flipping way you are terrible on the apps, but you are somehow this God at cold approaching women in public. Are you telling me that you can handle getting rejected in front of everybody while cold approaching a stranger in public, but an unresponsive match devastates you? Furthermore, you can have a fulfilling conversation with a stranger in real time and convert that into a connection, but you cannot analyze a girl's profile, initiate a conversation, and consistently maintain it? Yeah, that's a load of Bull Crap! Yes, they are different dating methods, but it doesn't take some Oppenheimer to adapt to them. Your witty pickup lines and librarian knowledge of every dating rule is novice level game. The best example of this is shown in that scene in Glory where the Colonel makes an example out of the soldier that thinks he is skilled because he can operate in a controlled environment. Real game is being able to read a conversation or woman's profile and turn that into something positive. When you have bad game, it spills over to 1 and 2. For example, there were glaring red flags that this girl was not taking you seriously on the apps, but you thought hopium and your text rule games would save you.

This is where I have a level of disagreement.

It's possible to have subpar outcomes on apps, yet be able to get an average to slightly above average looking girlfriend from approaching strangers or through social circle methods. No, you won't be "God" but it's possible to be good enough.

Because of the amount of male competition, some men simply aren't standing out enough on swipe apps to get dates. Yes, this can be due to a combination of factors. Those factors can be reduced with real world approaching and even more so with social circle methods.

Some of a man's success in approaching depends upon who he's approaching. If a woman isn't using swipe apps at the time he approaches her, she'll have less abundance and might value him as a prospect more. If a woman has huge abundance from swiping, she might not value the connection enough.

When a man meets a woman through swipe apps, he has the lowest status possible in her eyes unless he's a top tier guy. If a woman meets a more normie range man through an in-person approach while he is using apps, that normie range man can elevate himself above normie range men on the apps.

There is some relationship between a man's seduction skills on a 1st date arranged in the real world vs. a 1st date arranged from a swipe apps. There are men that would struggle in both formats.

I do think there's somewhat of a gap between the ability to assess a prospect between an electronic screen and the ability to assess a prospect in the real life. Pre-date video chats can somewhat reduce this gap. Way too many bad first dates are arranged based on what happens via texting and maybe a phone call that would have been prevented with a 5-10 minute in-person approach. In-person approaching can prevent a lot of bad dates from ever taking place and that's a good thing.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I only use dating apps to find rope bunnies / kink partners. Few applicants move beyond that.

 

[Gamisch]

I agree with this point. I see more men taking the effort of swipe apps more seriously than women. Men who take dating apps seriously and aren't Top 15-20% men get destroyed on the apps.

I see way too much thirst and outcome dependency on the apps.



I agree with this. The male competition on the apps is insane. It's often worse than what is seen at a nightlife venue. When a man is at a nightlife venue and he sees that it is 65-80% men, he leaves the nightlife venue. Guess what? Hinge/Bumble are estimated to be 65% male and Tinder is estimated to be 75% male. While some men are wise enough to know this stat, a fair about of chump men don't know it. Even if you know it, it's an abstract concept compared to seeing it in reality in the real world at a nightlife venue.

The intense male competition does make it more difficult to get laid and/or get longer term relationships.



This is where I have a level of disagreement.

It's possible to have subpar outcomes on apps, yet be able to get an average to slightly above average looking girlfriend from approaching strangers or through social circle methods. No, you won't be "God" but it's possible to be good enough.

Because of the amount of male competition, some men simply aren't standing out enough on swipe apps to get dates. Yes, this can be due to a combination of factors. Those factors can be reduced with real world approaching and even more so with social circle methods.

Some of a man's success in approaching depends upon who he's approaching. If a woman isn't using swipe apps at the time he approaches her, she'll have less abundance and might value him as a prospect more. If a woman has huge abundance from swiping, she might not value the connection enough.

When a man meets a woman through swipe apps, he has the lowest status possible in her eyes unless he's a top tier guy. If a woman meets a more normie range man through an in-person approach while he is using apps, that normie range man can elevate himself above normie range men on the apps.

There is some relationship between a man's seduction skills on a 1st date arranged in the real world vs. a 1st date arranged from a swipe apps. There are men that would struggle in both formats.

I do think there's somewhat of a gap between the ability to assess a prospect between an electronic screen and the ability to assess a prospect in the real life. Pre-date video chats can somewhat reduce this gap. Way too many bad first dates are arranged based on what happens via texting and maybe a phone call that would have been prevented with a 5-10 minute in-person approach. In-person approaching can prevent a lot of bad dates from ever taking place and that's a good thing.

The online apps create a vacuum for a man he can't get out of.

If you do manage to "get" a decent prospect you really, really gotta " shut up and be content with whatever is send your way". A questionable woman who lives 200 kilometers away from you and ofcourse wants a grande show as a 1st date.

Women are too stupid and superficial to look beyond and in depth to OLD. The way you move in real life will always trigger " something in the moment " if you stay on TOP of your game at all time!

 

[Hamurabimbi]

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Don’t discount OLD.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

before COVID OLD wasn't nearly as bad as all. I'm not six foot and some crappy pics and got traction on it. Lots of numbers. it seems around the fall of 2020 OLD dried up. Tons less women and TONS less hotties on it than before covid. OLD bores me now. Doesn't turn me on.

Match and Facebook dating were great. Match a bit better for a guy my age, lots of hotties my age range. Match LLC buying them up doesn't help and charging an arm and a leg. They ruined all the OLD sites since they own most of them.

Bumble is how you describe it. Feminist and girls fatties and tats or there just to get insta followers. Tinder also trash. Tinder even seeing hos openly stating they have herpies or trans.

I think of OLD like this now. If you walked into a grocery story and most of the items are moldy, produce bad and product expired. Would you stay in there long and buy it? That's what I mostly see on OLD. Trash. I still have Match pay like 40 bucks a month but want to cancel. All I see is crap.

Agree. Pre-Covid Tinder was amazing. Got off it before the pandemic. I’ve heard it’s poor now. I really can’t understand why. Especially now. When things are 99% back to normal.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

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Are you saying that 85% of men are chumps who have no game? Dont you think that's a tad too much??
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86%!!!

That seems astonishingly high. Is this just anecdotal?

 

[I_have_BDE]

Agree. Pre-Covid Tinder was amazing. Got off it before the pandemic. I’ve heard it’s poor now. I really can’t understand why. Especially now. When things are 99% back to normal.

Match owns this sites and now you gotta pay to get enough swipes to use it. The Upward App, formerly known as UTC had some pretty hot chicks on it. Once Match bought it they made it useless unless you pay and a lot of fake profiles on it now. I'm sure the pay to play has driven some women off too. They usually would join Match and such when it was 7 day free trial and then they're gone.

I really don't know why. FB dating was a good app too. Lots of hotties and easy to get a reply too. Quality is way down on it too now.

If I was into computer programming I'd try and design an app, then sell it to Match.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Match owns this sites and now you gotta pay to get enough swipes to use it. The Upward App, formerly known as UTC had some pretty hot chicks on it. Once Match bought it they made it useless unless you pay and a lot of fake profiles on it now. I'm sure the pay to play has driven some women off too. They usually would join Match and such when it was 7 day free trial and then they're gone.

I really don't know why. FB dating was a good app too. Lots of hotties and easy to get a reply too. Quality is way down on it too now.

If I was into computer programming I'd try and design an app, then sell it to Match.

I wonder if sites were free for women, would it work better?