What The Hell Is Going On With Bumble Matches?

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If Tinder is already a losing battlefield for most men, then Bumble is their gas chambers where they are taken to be killed blindfolded and hands tied.

Bumble's core mechanism is, even though both parties match, you cannot initiate chat with the woman unless she decides to pm you first. Come on man!
 

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It's takes time...time is money. I can swipe in traffic, on the toilet, waiting on an appointment.

A man needs to exercise all options available(OLD and Approaches).
I'm utilizing all options. I cold approach at every opportunity too. Luckily the girls in my city where I work are pretty young and hot.
 

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If Tinder is already a losing battlefield for most men, then Bumble is their gas chambers where they are taken to be killed blindfolded and hands tied.

Bumble's core mechanism is, even though both parties match, you cannot initiate chat with the woman unless she decides to pm you first. Come on man!
Tinder is very mainstream, which means that there are a lot of girls only for validation

Bumble is a pit more niche, which mainly attracts girls looking for LTRs ( better quality than tinder too )


It does not matter who initiates the talk, the result would still be the same. But what matters is how you build your profile. Tinder is great to come on as a f8ckboy, while bumble is great if you come up as a cultured dude

Have way better results on bumble than on tinder in terms of quality ( both in terms of looks and intelligence )
 

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Bumble is the one where the woman has to " choose you " initiate conversation and all the other crap a couple of Feminazi's dreamt up

Its a Mecca for the woman who thinks her market value is higher than it actually is and usually if a man can't produce a Ryan gosling style romcom style experience for her within an hour she will go ghost

I mean look the dating app was always designed for the man that's lazy , the man that will take anything he can get

Problem is the results from them are nearly always the same ......one date no sex , flaking , " I just didn't feel the connection "

The truth is no woman really wants to meet a guy on a swipe app or dating platform , she wants to be approached and dominated in a real life enviroment

Paying for swipe apps is a completely different kettle of fish
 

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Bumble is the one where the woman has to " choose you " initiate conversation and all the other crap a couple of Feminazi's dreamt up

Its a Mecca for the woman who thinks her market value is higher than it actually is and usually if a man can't produce a Ryan gosling style romcom style experience for her within an hour she will go ghost

I mean look the dating app was always designed for the man that's lazy , the man that will take anything he can get

Problem is the results from them are nearly always the same ......one date no sex , flaking , " I just didn't feel the connection "

The truth is no woman really wants to meet a guy on a swipe app or dating platform , she wants to be approached and dominated in a real life enviroment

Paying for swipe apps is a completely different kettle of fish
It is normal though for this things to happen, to realize that there is no connection whatsoever ( especially in regards to online dating )

I agree that women do not want to find guys through apps, that is why most of the matches do not really go anywhere. Women rarely go out with guys from apps

Apps should be a complementary way of getting in touch with women, not the only strategy. If this is the sole strategy yoh have to meet women, then you are f8ck Ed ( no matter how a big catch you are )

I do not agree with you in regards of women on bumble are way siffeeent than those on tinder. They are just more prone to look for a LTR, as the age is a bit higher. Depends on what you are looking for at the end of the day. I do like girls to be smart, so for me bumble is better than tinder

Actually from what I have observed is that women usually start with high hopes but then they get tired of the hordes of thirsty men and are not that engaged anymore after a while . The retention rate on apps is quite low for women, and not because they find someone quick

And I do not blame them, most of the guys on apps have little to no social skills
 
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And I do not blame them, most of the guys on apps have little to no social skills
But it goes back to the low effort thing which is what these apps are all about , people match and exchange a few very basic conversation points like " how was your day " " what do you do for work"

The woman tends to get bored or her attention is drawn elsewhere and that's it game over you have no real connection so there's nothing to really lose

The flip side is ok as a guy you take it seriously put a lot of time and thought into your messages but this generally means you have to scour each profile you match with to find something to talk about AND keep the conversation going

Again women are VERY apprehensive of guys on these apps and from all of the girls ive spoken too in the real world they all tell me they use the apps when they are bored and have absolutely no intention of ever meeting a guy on there

It seems to me a lot of guys are playing a game on these apps that's loaded against them
 

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But it goes back to the low effort thing which is what these apps are all about , people match and exchange a few very basic conversation points like " how was your day " " what do you do for work"

The woman tends to get bored or her attention is drawn elsewhere and that's it game over you have no real connection so there's nothing to really lose

The flip side is ok as a guy you take it seriously put a lot of time and thought into your messages but this generally means you have to scour each profile you match with to find something to talk about AND keep the conversation going

Again women are VERY apprehensive of guys on these apps and from all of the girls ive spoken too in the real world they all tell me they use the apps when they are bored and have absolutely no intention of ever meeting a guy on there

It seems to me a lot of guys are playing a game on these apps that's loaded against them
I believe that it is extremely natural to start talking with someone only to realize that you actually do not like them in that sense

It never happened to you for example from distance to see a cutie only to realize once you are next to her that she is not as cute as you thought initially?

Or to start talking with a girl and realize that you do not like her vibe or attitude?

Plenty of times I met girls only to realize that they have a bad energy

Sure, if you are desperate you will still start to push for sex, but if you have a bit of abundance you will not see the point to push for it

Also, most guys f8ck it up when they create their profile with not that great pictures

Realized that for example if you have a good body and put a picture with you from the beach or something along this line, your will have better results

It is about the context. A picture from the gym will be seen as being a retard, but one from the beach will put a good light on you

Most guys here think that their competition is other guys, when in reality their main competition is themselves. Other guys are not real competition in the vast majority of cases

Also, if you do not look back 5-10 years ago or more and realize how much of a retard you have been yourself, it means that you are doing something wrong
 
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It's takes time...time is money.
But most of these guys are beta simps.

They are paying for premium dating sites with hopes of getting women, and then they are paying for dates with the women with the hope of getting laid.

Might as well pay an escort.

At least you have a better chance of getting a return on your investment.

I can swipe in traffic, on the toilet, waiting on an appointment.
You can approach at the supermarket, at the gas station, while waiting on your appointment.

A man needs to exercise all options available(OLD and Approaches).
I agree.
 

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But most of these guys are beta simps.

They are paying for premium dating sites with hopes of getting women, and then they are paying for dates with the women with the hope of getting laid.

Might as well pay an escort.

At least you have a better chance of getting a return on your investment.
Most men have a less than 1% match rate on their right swipes. Additionally, swipes are limited by the service. Most men need to pay for the premium level service to get the unlimited swipes to offset the less than 1% match rate on their right swipes.

It is true that men indirectly pay for sex to both the Match Group/Bumble and various bars/restaurants within dating when they are app swipers.

Many men go on a lot of dates and have many "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions where they absorb the cost of the entire date. Men are hoping that they get a girlfriend who gives them cheaper sex than directly paying for it. A lot of men see the failed dates in the process of getting a girlfriend for sex as the cost of finding a sexual option.

I can swipe in traffic, on the toilet, waiting on an appointment.
You can approach at the supermarket, at the gas station, while waiting on your appointment.
This is the illusion of efficiency. For those who approach strangers in person, it takes effort to get presentable, leave home, go to the gaming venue (either a bar or a non-bar one) and find approach targets. In theory, the app swiper can sit at home, look not presentable, and make something happen. App swipers also like to mention that they can do things in short windows like while pooping or in 5 minute increments during the work day. It doesn't always work out that way in reality.

Using the daily approach tactic that Roosh recommended in 2013 is a good way to avoid approach burnout from big night game efforts or 2 hour daygame sessions in a grocery store, mall, or outdoors. The one approach per day can be factored into a daily ritual without doing big gaming efforts.

 

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Anytime you sign up on a new dating app you get an initial surge. You have to capitalize early because because it falls off the table soon after. I signed up for Tinder about 2 weeks ago. Within a day I had 18 likes. Some hot chicks. I met one. Absolute disaster too. Second worst date I've ever had. After that I hardly got anything. Now I get maybe one sometimes two per day. Mainly HB4-6's. It was the same thing with Hinge and Bumble.

So capitalize early during your surge.
 

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It ebbs and flows, they track your swipe patterns. If you’re picky and consistent you are then shown better and better looking women (based on what the algorithm uses to determine attractiveness).

Sometimes you’ll log on and get shown a whole bunch of undesirable women in rapid succession if you are consistently left swiping them you get through the stack and are shown better looking women again.
 

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Anyone want to share their best profile picture?

Be interesting to see where we are fvcking up haha
 

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Anyone want to share their best profile picture?

Be interesting to see where we are fvcking up haha
Doubt you’ll have many takers on this. I’d be INSANE to post my mug here. It’s too easy to do reverse image searches these days, even the muggles know how to nowadays. And this site is crawled by Google. The Internet is forever.
 

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Most men have a less than 1% match rate on their right swipes. Additionally, swipes are limited by the service.
1% match rate on swipe apps..

Vs

My 34% success rate (on number close, and physical contact close) via cold approach.

No comparison.

Most men need to pay for the premium level service to get the unlimited swipes to offset the less than 1% match rate on their right swipes.
Or..

Save money on premium level dating app services...and start cold approaching with unlimited approaches.

It is true that men indirectly pay for sex to both the Match Group/Bumble and various bars/restaurants within dating when they are app swipers.
True, which is why I advocate sex first..

If you can get the sex first without the woman expecting anything monetary (or equivalent) in return, then you're not paying for sex, are you?

Many men go on a lot of dates and have many "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions where they absorb the cost of the entire date.
Men are hoping that they get a girlfriend who gives them cheaper sex than directly paying for it. A lot of men see the failed dates in the process of getting a girlfriend for sex as the cost of finding a sexual option.
If a man is looking for a girlfriend, then that is different (as far as non sexual time spent).

No argument from me on that note.

This is the illusion of efficiency. For those who approach strangers in person, it takes effort to get presentable, leave home, go to the gaming venue (either a bar or a non-bar one) and find approach targets.
If you are like me and you have a 34% close rate, then that very minimum effort you mention should be worth it, and some.

In theory, the app swiper can sit at home, look not presentable, and make something happen.
Yeah, about 1 % of the time, right?

App swipers also like to mention that they can do things in short windows like while pooping or in 5 minute increments during the work day. It doesn't always work out that way in reality.
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Using the daily approach tactic that Roosh recommended in 2013 is a good way to avoid approach burnout from big night game efforts or 2 hour daygame sessions in a grocery store, mall, or outdoors. The one approach per day can be factored into a daily ritual without doing big gaming efforts.
Approach burnout?

No such thing.
 

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App swipers also like to mention that they can do things in short windows like while pooping or in 5 minute increments during the work day. It doesn't always work out that way in reality.
App swipers think they are being efficient swiping while pooping or during down time while working. In reality, with their less than 1% match rate on right swipes, they have to do a ton of volume to compensate for their poor match rates. In a highly populated metro area, there are enough options for them to swipe on. If a guy does nothing but swipe while sitting at home, he can put up thousands of swipes quickly without leaving home. With those thousands of swipes, there can be matches. Some of those matches will lead to dates. It's a basic funnel.

In general, I have found that app arranged dates tend to be lower quality dates. These are more likely to be "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions where the man wastes money on the cost of the date. Too many of these "one date, no sex, no second date" type dates and the man will easily waste hundreds to thousands of dollars, not to mention his self-esteem will be damaged.

1% match rate on swipe apps..

Vs

My 34% success rate (on number close, and physical contact close) via cold approach.

No comparison.
Agreed for you. Most men don't arrange a date and collect a phone number on 34% of their approaches.

I'd say most men are in the single digit percentages on arranging dates from approaches.

Save money on premium level dating app services...and start cold approaching with unlimited approaches.
Real life approaches are unlimited in theory. They are only limited by the time available for the man to go out and do the approaches.

True, which is why I advocate sex first..

If you can get the sex first without the woman expecting anything monetary (or equivalent) in return, then you're not paying for sex, are you?
Good point.

Approach burnout?

No such thing.
I believe approach burnout is a real consideration. If a man goes and does a 2 hour approach session outdoors and sees very few approach targets/does few approaches and gets no numbers, he will not enjoy himself. Too many of those unenjoyable approach sessions outdoors or with indoor retail game can be bad psychologically for a man.
 

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App swipers think they are being efficient swiping while pooping or during down time while working. In reality, with their less than 1% match rate on right swipes, they have to do a ton of volume to compensate for their poor match rates. In a highly populated metro area, there are enough options for them to swipe on. If a guy does nothing but swipe while sitting at home, he can put up thousands of swipes quickly without leaving home. With those thousands of swipes, there can be matches. Some of those matches will lead to dates. It's a basic funnel.
Gotchaaaa.

And that is, in my opinion, the most subjective part of the OLD vs CA debate.

In terms of access to hundreds of women while exerting very little effort/energy...then obviously, OLD gets the edge.

But, if you like your women up close & personal and you like going out and getting it...then CA has the edge.

It is preference, no doubt.

The mere adrenaline rush that comes with CA is something OLD can't come close to, IMHO.

In general, I have found that app arranged dates tend to be lower quality dates. These are more likely to be "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions where the man wastes money on the cost of the date. Too many of these "one date, no sex, no second date" type dates and the man will easily waste hundreds to thousands of dollars, not to mention his self-esteem will be damaged.
See, and that's why I can't FUK wit it.

Reminds me of when a friend explained to me why he doesn't eat crab legs.

His reason: Too much work for so little return.

Agreed for you. Most men don't arrange a date and collect a phone number on 34% of their approaches.

I'd say most men are in the single digit percentages on arranging dates from approaches.
That is why they should use both, to increase their chances of success.

Real life approaches are unlimited in theory. They are only limited by the time available for the man to go out and do the approaches.
True. But unless the man is living the life of a hermit, any time he goes into the public domain (even a stop at the gas station), is an opportunity.

Even if you aren't a guy who goes out to get it (like me), that shouldn't stop you from taking advantage of happenstance situations.

I believe approach burnout is a real consideration. If a man goes and does a 2 hour approach session outdoors and sees very few approach targets/does few approaches and gets no numbers, he will not enjoy himself.
Is it because he sees very few targets, or is it because he is afraid to approach the targets he sees?

Too many of those unenjoyable approach sessions outdoors or with indoor retail game can be bad psychologically for a man.
I truly doubt that these unenjoyable sessions are from guys that have put the work in.

I believe what you are describing is based on theory, like yes, if a guy has those experiences it could be bad psychologically for him.

But also in theory, if a guy has a 34% success rate, then it could be good psychologically for him.

I guarantee most guys have NEVER cold approached a woman in their lives, so they have no personal, real life data to support their theories..they have approach anxiety and are going off perception which are led by their anxieties.

If they would actually put the work in, they'd be surprised at the results.
 

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App swipers think they are being efficient swiping while pooping or during down time while working. In reality, with their less than 1% match rate on right swipes, they have to do a ton of volume to compensate for their poor match rates. In a highly populated metro area, there are enough options for them to swipe on. If a guy does nothing but swipe while sitting at home, he can put up thousands of swipes quickly without leaving home. With those thousands of swipes, there can be matches. Some of those matches will lead to dates. It's a basic funnel.

In general, I have found that app arranged dates tend to be lower quality dates. These are more likely to be "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions where the man wastes money on the cost of the date. Too many of these "one date, no sex, no second date" type dates and the man will easily waste hundreds to thousands of dollars, not to mention his self-esteem will be damaged.



Agreed for you. Most men don't arrange a date and collect a phone number on 34% of their approaches.

I'd say most men are in the single digit percentages on arranging dates from approaches.



Real life approaches are unlimited in theory. They are only limited by the time available for the man to go out and do the approaches.



Good point.



I believe approach burnout is a real consideration. If a man goes and does a 2 hour approach session outdoors and sees very few approach targets/does few approaches and gets no numbers, he will not enjoy himself. Too many of those unenjoyable approach sessions outdoors or with indoor retail game can be bad psychologically for a man.
Ofcourse most men don't wanna hear this.

Its ludacriss to close your eyes for the facts presented to us over and over again. OLD is like dangling the carrot in front of men, and the system seems so easygoing that initially you'll be like" why the heck not?"

But if we know already that the discrepancy between real life smv and online SMV can easily be 3 to 4 points, you must be at least mentally stable to not let it affect you. And imo the most dangerous thing: you MIGHT end up with a hb5 due to the lack of better options. The "funny" thing is that hb5 will eventually ALSO act like an hb8 and give you all the familiar problems. At the end of this "OLD adventure " your selfworth-smv might've dropped some points..

OLD will only work if you have patient,and you're able to separate online results from the "value " of your self. And that is only possible if you also somehow do real life approaches .
 

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Ofcourse most men don't wanna hear this.

Its ludacriss to close your eyes for the facts presented to us over and over again. OLD is like dangling the carrot in front of men, and the system seems so easygoing that initially you'll be like" why the heck not?"

But if we know already that the discrepancy between real life smv and online SMV can easily be 3 to 4 points, you must be at least mentally stable to not let it affect you. And imo the most dangerous thing: you MIGHT end up with a hb5 due to the lack of better options. The "funny" thing is that hb5 will eventually ALSO act like an hb8 and give you all the familiar problems. At the end of this "OLD adventure " your selfworth-smv might've dropped some points..

OLD will only work if you have patient,and you're able to separate online results from the "value " of your self. And that is only possible if you also somehow do real life approaches .
Another big key to OLD working is being able to separate the good prospects from the bad by reading between the lines on their profiles (bio, pics, vibe, etc) and being able to separate genuine high interest from fake high interest. Discernment is HUGE if you're going to "win" at OLD and you're not a true chad. (I consider myself a chad-lite which means there's still a decent amount of work involved).

Hb7's can be easy or complete pains in the ass, and being able to tell which one is which is the key to making it work for you.
 
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Another big key to OLD working is being able to separate the good prospects from the bad by reading between the lines on their profiles (bio, pics, vibe, etc) and being able to separate genuine high interest from fake high interest. Discernment is HUGE if you're going to "win" at OLD and you're not a true chad. (I consider myself a chad-lite which means there's still a decent amount of work involved).
I agree. I like to compare OLD with alcohol. Some people handle it perfectly well, other cant have a single drop. If you are at a place of great mental health and peace with oneself, it might work in the long run.

Otherwise OLD becomes an additional addiction that enforces pron and the neediness for p00sy in general. And that's when trouble starts: being horny and desperate WILL make a man swipe right on everything. Also the infamous " 3 likes" that are waiting for you trigger scarcity and make you again swipe right on everything, kill you ELO and eventually after weeks you'll be like F it I just want my D wet and you're in a power struggle with an hb5 . No thanks.

So imo OLD becomes a rather philosophical thing; it will reflect your own idea of yourself in this world. E.g ; if a man has the ability to:
- only ever swipes right on women he LIKES(not lusts over but actually likes)
-has patient and isn't desperate
- is somewhat realistic about the range of his own smv( e.g hb6,5 - hb8 rather than chasing after hb7,5 -hb9)
- wants to "just date and have fun".

It might work. But never from a place of desperation fed by a porn addiction and the desperate need for female validation.
 
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