article: The Harsh Reality Men Face on Dating Apps ... and why more men are chronically, involuntarily single.

[Hamurabimbi]

You offered your friend? Okay, point taken. When anyone gets rejected by a stripper or escort it's harsh, but there are other strippers/escorts around. It sounds like she deserves to get paid anyway as she's just going by who she's attracted with. You don't act like that if it's supposed to be a job.

I guess the most harshest places for incels to be in are both churches and strip-clubs/wherever. In both these places there is an expectation for the women there to be nice and friendly with you but when they act like any other women would, outside of the context, then it constitutes a harsh rejection to an incel because there is no "safe space". You expect women to be nice either out of good Christian/religious duty or it's a job to them and they are paid to be nice. Really hateful when these things happen and it really puts up a wedge.

Its been a couple of years so I don’t remember the exact dialogue. But basically:
Her: ‘Hey. You looking for something? For $100 we can go in tjhe back & you can do whatever you want with me.’
Me: ‘Thanks. But I have someone. I’m just hanging here with him. (nod towards my friend). He’s looking.though.’. She looked at him and gave kind of an ‘ewww’ look, shook her head & walked off.

 

[SW15]

We were at a Strip Club. A stripper came up & offered me some side action for a decent price. I declined but intimidated my friend would be interested. She was having none of it.

I rarely go to strip clubs. I've never been offered side action in a strip club.

I like going to breastaurants more than strip clubs because I can have a more meaningful interaction with a male friend or two at a breastaurant.

I was at the pool of my apartment complex today and at least half the women were wearing thong type bikinis where their entire butt cheeks were visible. That's more skin showing than Hooters or Twin Peaks. There are bikini breastaurants in my city as well with thong/g string type bikinis/lingerie.

 

[corrector]

Its been a couple of years so I don’t remember the exact dialogue. But basically:
Her: ‘Hey. You looking for something? For $100 we can go in tjhe back & you can do whatever you want with me.’
Me: ‘Thanks. But I have someone. I’m just hanging here with him. (nod towards my friend). He’s looking.though.’. She looked at him and gave kind of an ‘ewww’ look, shook her head & walked off.

Wow. That was very unprofessional. You should have complained to the management there since they are not supposed to be rude to the customers direclty to their face like that. It's still her job and there are expectations. What about other strippers there?

I've never been to a strip club in my life (as I've indicated before). I was deeply interested in trying it out in 2005/2006 bracket, but just lost interest about visiting one over time. However, OnlyFans is great for that.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I rarely go to strip clubs. I've never been offered side action in a strip club.

I like going to breastaurants more than strip clubs because I can have a more meaningful interaction with a male friend or two at a breastaurant.

I was at the pool of my apartment complex today and at least half the women were wearing thong type bikinis where their entire butt cheeks were visible. That's more skin showing than Hooters or Twin Peaks. There are bikini breastaurants in my city as well with thong/g string type bikinis/lingerie.

I’ve gone 2-3 times.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Wow. That was very unprofessional. You should have complained to the management there since they are not supposed to be rude to the customers direclty to their face like that. It's still her job and there are expectations. What about other strippers there?

I've never been to a strip club in my life (as I've indicated before). I was deeply interested in trying it out in 2005/2006 bracket, but just lost interest about visiting one over time. However, OnlyFans is great for that.

Prostitution is illegal (though in SF it is rarely enforced). So this was under the table. It was loud. The girl & I were standing snd talking directly in each other’s ear. So I doubt he heard. He might have caught something ftom her body language. And I didn’t tell him she wasn’t inin doing it with him.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I will even agree to that. It seems like black chicks at fried chicken or BBQ joints are always trying to flirt with me.

LOL. That’s why I like it when I have an assignment in Oakland.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Technically he was AMOGed by you. Put it this way, if he was on the table by himself and that lady didn't notice you, then she may have behaved differently. I also feel he gave out these strong insecure vibes when he saw that lady interact with you and felt jealous. The stripper picked up on those "low value male" vibes from him and didn't take him on. There are allot of psychological dynamics involved.

He is extremely insecure.
We went to a game convention a few years ago. I hooked up with a gamer girl there and we started dating. She had a big social circle and decided she was going to get my, above mentioned, friend into her social circle & get him to meet some girls. She gave up in frustration after two weeks.

 

[corrector]

He is extremely insecure.

Everyone is insecure around hot women, lol! Especially with incels, it's like you are walking on eggshells.

We went to a game convention a few years ago. I hooked up with a gamer girl there and we started dating. She had a big social circle and decided she was going to get my, above mentioned, friend into her social circle & get him to meet some girls. She gave up in frustration after two weeks.

Why was she frustrated? Was it because your friend was unwilling to join her social circle, or the ladies in her social circle rejected him?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Everyone is insecure around hot women, lol! Especially with incels, it's like you are walking on eggshells.



Why was she frustrated? Was it because your friend was unwilling to join her social circle, or the ladies in her social circle rejected him?

He wasn’t much interested in joining in.

 

[Borknagar]

Nothing anyone can do really. Women still stay the way they are until men start mostly just injuring them in mass. Not gonna happen.

Damn it, can't edit, meant IGNORING, not injuring. Stupid predictive text.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I don't know the full story. What we do know is there was a marked difference between @Solomon and his white friend and by all accounts @Solomon should have had more attention. If you account for some of the other variables you mentioned, such as game, facially handsome, super-confident, it still does not add up that @Solomon was completely invisible. He didn't even have lower attention. He had NO attention (according to his account).

They have put countless youtube/Tictok social experiments that show when you compare white and black people, both are treated differently. One of the biggest fears when dealing with women, according to @Bingo-Player (if he wants to chime into this discussion), and is common knowledge, is if they feel safe around you and if they can trust you. Whiteness already solves this issue (ie women feeling safe and gaining implicit trust by default) while you have points against you already or are at a disadvantage if you are black. Whiteness (as perceived by women on your SMV) also means you or your family has access to resources, wealth and priviledge and can offer white acceptance to an ethnic girl.

I don't use swipe apps anymore but even taking racial preference out of the equation the entire equilibrium is fvcked on them anyway

Out on the streets everyone is going to have their sexual preferences NOTHING can change this some people WILL experiment but generally people like sticking to what they know , I'm a white guy but I wouldn't say that really affords me much advantage in pulling black women for example regardless of if they felt safe around me

I do find some black women attractive but they are notoriously difficult to deal with so generally I just don't usually bother

the difference is a very large subset of black guys and mixed race guys find white women highly attractive and are highly preference towards them so much so black women are constantly moaning about it on social media

The problem lies in that Naturally not all white women are going to want a black guy at all just on pure preference same as a black woman probably isn't that interested in me

 

[MatureDJ]

my White incel friend was rejected by a stripper.

It's OVER for StripperJohnCels.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I don't use swipe apps anymore but even taking racial preference out of the equation the entire equilibrium is fvcked on them anyway

Out on the streets everyone is going to have their sexual preferences NOTHING can change this some people WILL experiment but generally people like sticking to what they know , I'm a white guy but I wouldn't say that really affords me much advantage in pulling black women for example regardless of if they felt safe around me

I do find some black women attractive but they are notoriously difficult to deal with so generally I just don't usually bother

the difference is a very large subset of black guys and mixed race guys find white women highly attractive and are highly preference towards them so much so black women are constantly moaning about it on social media

The problem lies in that Naturally not all white women are going to want a black guy at all just on pure preference same as a black woman probably isn't that interested in me

I wonder if there is something to finding alluring because they’re different. I’m White, but a cute Black girl just takes my breath away. Don’t get me wrong. I love White girls too. I lost my V card to a White girl & have had White GFs.

 

[corrector]

I wonder if there is something to finding alluring because they’re different. I’m White, but a cute Black girl just takes my breath away. Don’t get me wrong. I love White girls too. I lost my V card to a White girl & have had White GFs.

Of course, White guys who are into Ethnic girls (regardless of what the ethnic is) are having a global buffet because most ethnics are thowing themselves at White guys. People of other races pretty much have to settle with those of their own races, maybe a White girl that has a fetish for another non-white race, but definitely not other types of races, at best, or at worst, be an ethnicel (ie although I think I'm more of a poorcel then an ethnicel).

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I wonder if there is something to finding alluring because they’re different. I’m White, but a cute Black girl just takes my breath away. Don’t get me wrong. I love White girls too. I lost my V card to a White girl & have had White GFs.

I find beauty where it is, as a cracker-azz-crackah I’ve had my share of cinnamon girls, and all of them were delectable submissive kittens. As with any race, not all are attractive and it’s not a fetish. E.g. I do not find most Asian women attractive, but I’ve bedded my fair share of them, and all where a distinct pleasure and easy on the eyes.

My outlook may have to do with having been raised in a culture where we had people of several ethnic backgrounds everywhere. But it also has to do with my sincere love for the female form.

 

[corrector]

I really hate this sentiment.

Same here. Not everyone goes by the one drop-rule or subscribes to that, so I too can suffer the same sterotypes as some White people do. My ex-wife's family thought I had resources because I am half-White and my father is White. Even if you present yourself as poor, they don't believe you and think you have something stashed away somewhere. When they find out you are really poor then they ditch you and say "you can't afford a wife", etc.... I looks like I have the worst of both worlds. I don't have a good BBC, so the Black side has an issue, and I'm also poor economically and the White side has an issue. Both are failed assumptions about me.

 

[MatureDJ]

Of course, White guys who are into Ethnic girls (regardless of what the ethnic is) are having a global buffet because most ethnics are thowing themselves at White guys. People of other races pretty much have to settle with those of their own races, maybe a White girl that has a fetish for another non-white race, but definitely not other types of races, at best, or at worst, be an ethnicel (ie although I think I'm more of a poorcel then an ethnicel).

Aren't you also a FatCel and BaldCel? I think you've said that you are not a ShortCel.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Same here. Not everyone goes by the one drop-rule or subscribes to that, so I too can suffer the same sterotypes as some White people do. My ex-wife's family thought I had resources because I am half-White and my father is White. Even if you present yourself as poor, they don't believe you and think you have something stashed away somewhere. When they find out you are really poor then they ditch you and say "you can't afford a wife", etc.... I looks like I have the worst of both worlds. I don't have a good BBC, so the Black side has an issue, and I'm also poor economically and the White side has an issue. Both are failed assumptions about me.

Hey if we go by the one-drop I am a proud black man. so sayeth 23&Me.

Maybe that's why da sistahs love dis.

Can I have reparations too?

 

[corrector]

Aren't you also a FatCel and BaldCel? I think you've said that you are not a ShortCel.

I think cels titles should reflect a dominant insecurity. I do not feel bad or insecure about being bald or fat or do not believe that it is doing anything. So I would not say I am a fat or bald cell. I used to be ethnicel pre-pandemic but am now am more leaning to poorcel instead.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I think cels titles should reflect a dominant insecurity. I do not feel bad or insecure about being bald or fat or do not believe that it is doing anything. So I would not say I am a fat or bald cell. I used to be ethnicel pre-pandemic but am now am more leaning to poorcel instead.

I agree with your line of reasoning. By that measure, most of my Cel-friends are MentalCels.