article: The Harsh Reality Men Face on Dating Apps ... and why more men are chronically, involuntarily single.

[corrector]

I can’t believe a short skinny guy can slay judt because he’s White.

I don't know the full story. What we do know is there was a marked difference between @Solomon and his white friend and by all accounts @Solomon should have had more attention. If you account for some of the other variables you mentioned, such as game, facially handsome, super-confident, it still does not add up that @Solomon was completely invisible. He didn't even have lower attention. He had NO attention (according to his account).

They have put countless youtube/Tictok social experiments that show when you compare white and black people, both are treated differently. One of the biggest fears when dealing with women, according to @Bingo-Player (if he wants to chime into this discussion), and is common knowledge, is if they feel safe around you and if they can trust you. Whiteness already solves this issue (ie women feeling safe and gaining implicit trust by default) while you have points against you already or are at a disadvantage if you are black. Whiteness (as perceived by women on your SMV) also means you or your family has access to resources, wealth and priviledge and can offer white acceptance to an ethnic girl.

That's why these things should not come as a shock when you look at all the nuanced dynamics at play.

 

[MatureDJ]

More like 4 points. That is why most whites are fakecels. They are just choosing not to date outside of their race.

I will even agree to that. It seems like black chicks at fried chicken or BBQ joints are always trying to flirt with me.

 

[MatureDJ]

The article may be showing a new trend from trying to distance from the term incel. Does saying "involuntary single and (unpaid) sexless" going to be becoming the new way of defining incel as that becomes staggeringly more common and feminists have demonized the incel term so that it's not possible to have a constructive dialogue (ie at least outside this board) on these types of topics without crazy feminists crying about patriarchy and that all incels are mass shooters, etc.... There is also a backlash against feminism as you see on youtube vids that guys aren't even bothering to show up to singles, or guys ghost girls that bring up feminism on a date, or even the backlash against the recent Barbie movie.

LOL, are you trying to say that folks are pushing a politically correct term for incels?

 

[MatureDJ]

I actually had a girl once show me her DM'S from POF in 2019. Over 200. Oh, and she's past 60. And I smashed the first night. Women do have options, your quest is to be the best of those options. Those other guys were lame and boring to the 5th power, so I got in. Alas, there's competition for every woman. Pics of the woman in question enclosed.

She looks like she has the arms of a linebacker.

 

[MatureDJ]

my Hapacel friend seems to get some positive attention from Asian women. But always tries (unsuccessfully) for White women. I’ve hinted he should consider Asian. But he just looks at me like I’m crazy.

While it would seem that White > Hapa > full Asian, I've heard that that is not the case:

 

[corrector]

LOL, are you trying to say that folks are pushing a politically correct term for incels?

Exactly.

 

[corrector]

I will even agree to that. It seems like black chicks at fried chicken or BBQ joints are always trying to flirt with me.

Exactly. Do you ever wonder why @Hamurabimbi is successful and you are not and have to escortcel? It's because he prefers black women, because they are more aggressive and will do most of the work. They make it easy, especially for white guys, because to them, whites have a reputation of being a gentleman, not being broke/tight with money, and of course white acceptance. If they deal with even their own race, their husband could be still end up unemployed or in jail, even if he is on the straight and narrow, because of discrimination and police brutality. Allot of them probably see dealing with white as a ticket out of poverty, bad neighbourhoods and moving up, so of course you are going to have an inflated SMV to them compared to a white girl. The first kiss I got was with a Black girl I met from OLD in the mid-00s. If just said I wanted to date light-skinned or white girls I might still be a virgin today. (ie I married a darker-skinned Indian girl who had someone else's child).

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Bro, he is a man that does what he wants when he wants.

Self-actived-Cell - you won’t sleep with women that would have sex with you because you think you rate better. If you did rate better, you’d have better - OR ANY AT ALL.

No wonder the dating market is fvcked up.
You are actually bragging about dumpster diving and claiming you had to be a top tier guy to hook up with that? Totally gross. No wonder guys have to check out.

If you aspire to be a top tier guy you might be able to pull a bottom feeder.

Wow. I can't believe I read that post. That sick on so many levels. You can't blame anyone for not wanting to self-improve at this point. You are better off escortcelling. At least you get young 20-something year olds that look hot.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

What I've noticed is that with issues like this is that usually when the media brings them up, they don't talk about a actual solution to the problem. It's like we're allowed to mention it, but not allowed to talk about how to remedy it in earnest. The closest thing to a "solution" that our corporate overlords have for this is merely to ply these guys up with porno and video games instead. It doesn't seem like anybody wants to systematically help these guys and lift them up out of this except for a small minority of people.

 

[corrector]

What I've noticed is that with issues like this is that even when the media brings them up, they don't talk about a actual solution to the problem. It's like we're allowed to mention it, but not allowed to talk about how to remedy it in earnest. The closest thing to a "solution" that our corporate overlords have for this is merely to ply these guys up with porno and video games instead. It doesn't seem like anybody wants to systematically help these guys and lift them up out of this except for a small minority of people.

There is a backlash. In Florida, they are doing away with alimony for life. In Texas, they may introduce a law that bans no-fault divorce.
You saw abortion rights dismantled in the Supreme Court. The powers that be are seeing the wholesale destruction of the nuclear family and decline of birth rates from absurd policies and feminist movements. So I think a solution is in the works because you can't have too many guys checking out and think that would lead to a healthy society.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

There is a backlash. In Florida, they are doing away with alimony for life. In Texas, they may introduce a law that bans no-fault divorce.
You saw abortion rights dismantled in the Supreme Court. The powers that be are seeing the wholesale destruction of the nuclear family and decline of birth rates from absurd policies and feminist movements. So I think a solution is in the works because you can't have too many guys checking out and think that would lead to a healthy society.

Any proposed solution drawn up by the government won't be with the interest of the people in mind, there's always a hidden ulterior motive with it. The powers that be always attack the symptom but not the cause, and structure any proposed "solution" so that they retain control

 

[SW15]

I can’t believe a short skinny guy can slay judt because he’s White.

They can't. Plenty of White men are incel.

 

[corrector]

They can't. Plenty of White men are incel.

At least no escorts reject them though. Like you said on your own posts, (which I strongly disagree with), that if someone can see an escort then they are not really incel. That's what you believe right? Someone who can get rejected by escorts too has a stronger "incel" claim in your books?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Exactly. Do you ever wonder why @Hamurabimbi is successful and you are not and have to escortcel? It's because he prefers black women, because they are more aggressive and will do most of the work. They make it easy, especially for white guys, because to them, whites have a reputation of being a gentleman, not being broke/tight with money, and of course white acceptance. If they deal with even their own race, their husband could be still end up unemployed or in jail, even if he is on the straight and narrow, because of discrimination and police brutality. Allot of them probably see dealing with white as a ticket out of poverty, bad neighbourhoods and moving up, so of course you are going to have an inflated SMV to them compared to a white girl. The first kiss I got was with a Black girl I met from OLD in the mid-00s. If just said I wanted to date light-skinned or white girls I might still be a virgin today. (ie I married a darker-skinned Indian girl who had someone else's child).

Full disclosure. I’m open to all races of women & have bern with White, Black, Latina & American Indian.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

At least no escorts reject them though. Like you said on your own posts, (which I strongly disagree with), that if someone can see an escort then they are not really incel. That's what you believe right? Someone who can get rejected by escorts too has a stronger "incel" claim in your books?

my White incel friend was rejected by a stripper.

 

[corrector]

my White incel friend was rejected by a stripper.

Technically he was AMOGed by you. Put it this way, if he was on the table by himself and that lady didn't notice you, then she may have behaved differently. I also feel he gave out these strong insecure vibes when he saw that lady interact with you and felt jealous. The stripper picked up on those "low value male" vibes from him and didn't take him on. There are allot of psychological dynamics involved.

I am mainly talking about escort ads. Do you see any escort ads that say "no whites" more than 20-30% of the time? If you are non-white (hypothetical) would you feel like you have to white-max or disassociate yourself from blackness? It's something that I haven't dealt with yet. (ie should I disclose I'm black, mixed with black, or make up some other race or white-max outrightly and say I got a tan from a vacation)

It goes without saying, some incel whites, or whites WILL get rejected by an escort if he presents himself in such a way that he appears dangerous or unlike her typical clientele. But that would be a judgment of individual screening and won't affect the next client. The issue is you don't see a bunch of ads saying "no blacks", or 'NO BLACKS, NO EXCEPTIONS", or any variety of nonsensce like that. Some of the ads are long to read and then at the end you see a small (no blacks) near the end of all that.

 

[SW15]

my White incel friend was rejected by a stripper.

Did this happen in a strip club or did he happen to meet a stripper while she wasn't at work?

I had a great experience happen to me while in college. It's a situation that is a rare situation for most men. I was playing pickup basketball and one night a stripper joined us. This stripper was also a college student at my university. I got her number, we went out once. I tried to get her to bang. She didn't bang that night, and then eventually flaked. This flaking was special because it happened years before the first iPhone was released. Flaking was not as common in the pre-smartphone era.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Did this happen in a strip club or did he happen to meet a stripper while she wasn't at work?

I had a great experience happen to me while in college. It's a situation that is a rare situation for most men. I was playing pickup basketball and one night a stripper joined us. This stripper was also a college student at my university. I got her number, we went out once. I tried to get her to bang. She didn't bang that night, and then eventually flaked. This flaking was special because it happened years before the first iPhone was released. Flaking was not as common in the pre-smartphone era.

We were at a Strip Clun. A stripper came up & offered me some side action for a decent price. I declined but intimidated my friend would be interested. She was having none of it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

So if prostitutes do in fact reject black customers - why is that?

 

[corrector]

We were at a Strip Clun. A stripper came up & offered me some side action for a decent price. I declined but intimidated my friend would be interested. She was having none of it.

You offered your friend? Okay, point taken. When anyone gets rejected by a stripper or escort it's harsh, but there are other strippers/escorts around. It sounds like she deserves to get paid anyway as she's just going by who she's attracted with. You don't act like that if it's supposed to be a job.

I guess the most harshest places for incels to be in are both churches and strip-clubs/wherever. In both these places there is an expectation for the women there to be nice and friendly with you but when they act like any other women would, outside of the context, then it constitutes a harsh rejection to an incel because there is no "safe space". You expect women to be nice either out of good Christian/religious duty or it's a job to them and they are paid to be nice. Really hateful when these things happen and it really puts up a wedge.