American women are actually pretty cool, the Manosphere was lying.

[BillyPilgrim]

Give me an Armenian in Glendale over a guidette/guido from NJ or Long Island anyday, that's for sure lol

I don't know if you can top these guys tbh

https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn....k2RSKVTGaaY_laZGKKEtOIiZRbnhV3rbQ&oe=64CD3EB4

 

[IKO69]

But yeah the non American girl thing is a cope tactic by guys that struggle with women imho. I also don’t buy the hype in Eastern European women either. How is a woman that is portrayed the most in sex trafficking and porn, supposed to be this feminine subservient girl? Plus, most of the women help topics on this forum revolve around some crazy Eastern European girl.

Have you ever seen the kind of freakasaurus's that travel to these places? Also why is the country of choice always very poor? They don't say im going to travel to France to find my gf/wife or some other industrialized nation, it's always some 3rd world country. Because the women are poor they think they can just buy their affection (exploit them). It's really no different than seekingarrangement except the stakes are higher (marriage & citizenship). A lot of these guys in time find out they got a phony deal.

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Lots of shade thrown on Italians lololol. As a half Sicilian person that grew up near and spent a lot of time in Boston's North End, the women are cool. Armenian women as well, lots in Massachusetts too, they used to hang out at the North End a lot. Hard to date them as they seemed to fiercely date other Armenians. The couple I knew were all cool and partied hard.

 

[I_have_BDE]

I should've noted to be wary of Californian women. They've been infesting not just Arizona but also Texas, Nevada and Idaho. Their influence is a negative factor but Arizona, like Texas, is full of attractive girl next door/small town women, who in Arizona's case often originated from the Upper Midwest. That being said entire west coast, imo serves as a general exception to the OP. Pacific Northwest women are often worse than Californians. Unfortunately, they tend to move to AZ as well.

As with the case in Florida, people who have burned bridges, are outcasted or aren't strongly rooted often move to the far-flung regions of the contiguous US.

You see all kinds of strange people here in fl or all ages young and old. A lot of pill heads too.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You see all kinds of strange people here in fl or all ages young and old. A lot of pill heads too.

Hmm but what about the southeast coast? Isn't that mostly retirees?

 

[Canadian_Man]

I sat at a bar [in Toronto] where this dude approached a girl and chatted with her, it went well too and she gave him her number. A group of people were looking on at this bar, mostly older people as it was a daytime spot. Then out of nowhere when the guy leaves, people jump in telling the girl "you gonna do that with a stranger?". The girl was from Tennessee and everyone was trying to warn her of how men in Toronto can be and how she should be careful when talking to strangers.

The girl then leaves and the whole time, these people are all gossiping about the pair. Some of them were old but some were also women that looked to be in their 20s and 30s.

Lived there for multiple years, never witnessed something like this.

 

[HaleyBaron]

American women are actually pretty cool

No they are not.

 

[Gamisch]

Might as well say Western women.

I tend to agree with the OP. As with everything we learn in the manosphere, at some point you'll have to go against certain themes, rhetoric and advice
E.g , never do this or that. Never buy her a gift or pay the bill. Wait so many days before texting. Sometimes you'll rightfully challenge these beliefs because every casus with every woman is unique.

Western women are OUR women nevertheless. Sure, going overseas might be a great solution. But it's not the preferred choice of action for most men. Especially when you go overseas and you'll have to conclude that women are women no matter their race, culture ect.

Imo it depends. What do you want? Just hooking up, or a serious lasting relationship? The latter is most definitely more challenging in the west due culture.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Hmm but what about the southeast coast? Isn't that mostly retirees?

Southeast FL is all sorts of people. Young and old. SWFL from Manatee County to Monroe county is literally one gigantic nursing home of old people so stay away from there as median age is 50 and above in those counties. If you want to live in FL and make good money go to like Ft. Lauderdale or Orlando. Much younger. I have a buddy who lives in Ft. Lauderdale. Lots of hotties BUT they want rich guys. Watch out for gold diggers. Orlando would be a better option I think if you're young. Working class younger people and have the theme parks where young people work. I'd think they would be less shallow and gold digging than Miami and it's also cooler weather in Orlando than the sauna Miami is 9 months of the year it seems now.

 

[I_have_BDE]

American women are actually pretty cool

No they are not.

Dull, shallow, rude, boring, stuck up. Here in FL the European women who vacation here and are tourist are much much more friendly it seems. Even the hot ones. Polite, friendly and can actually have a conversation with them. Same with the men. More friendly people. Not full of themselves like North American people.

I can see why Trump was attracted to Melania.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Dull, shallow, rude, boring, stuck up. Here in FL the European women who vacation here and are tourist are much much more friendly it seems. Even the hot ones. Polite, friendly and can actually have a conversation with them. Same with the men. More friendly people. Not full of themselves like North American people.

I can see why Trump was attracted to Melania.

Every tourist girl I met was open and flirty. Being away from home unhooks women for some reason.

 

[Divorced w 3]

If there is one theme that came across time and time again in Red Pill and Manosphere spaces, it was that American women suck and foreign women are supposedly all angels. The worship towards Latinas, Asian girls, and Eastern European girls was through the roof years back. However, as a Patriotic American on July 4th who has lived in two world class US cities, I have to confess, American women ain't that bad.

Before we can judge how good or bad a nationality or culture of women are, let's at least see them on an even playing field.

Yeah, the typical Eastern Euro girl who needs access to a better life out west will be sweet and feminine to you when she knows she can get that out of you. However, for anyone who thinks Eastern Euro or Russian girls are these pure feminine souls, I challenge you to spend a year in Miami. Date with a Russian girl? HA! More like buy her an expensive handbag and pay for her personal bills even though it is a first date. @SW15 also brings up Koko Beaute who is this god awful Croatian hag living in NYC thinking that the world owes her everything.

I even think Latinas get way too much hype. Look at what is happening to all of those poor men traveling to Colombia, drugged by their freaking dates. TBH, I kind of find Latinas to be quite sketchy and looking to pull a fast one often. A lot of them seem to glamorize the criminal culture rather than shaming it.

If you think that any of these women from "feminine" countries are truly "feminine" and "caring", I have a challenge for you. Move that woman to a Miami or an NYC, see how long she remains "feminine".

So why are all of these Manosphere guys going on about how great foreign women are?

It's simple. Guy grows up in the US and isn't very popular with people or women. Said guy goes to a third world dump or a struggling country where women greet him and massage his ego. Now said guy thinks that all American women suck and foreign women are amazing.

Okay fine, I will concede that some areas of the US produce god awful women.

New Jersey, The Tri-State area (NYC in general), California, the Pacific Northwest and large cities in the south (Atlanta in particular) have women that leave a lot to be desired. However, I do think that we sleep on how much actual quality can exist in the US amongst American women that aren't from those places. In fact, I have met cool American women even from the areas where a large portion of American women suck (except for Jersey, they all suck).

American women have seen the worst of feminism and some do think it is BS, it's getting worse outside the Anglo world.

There are American women who are raging feminists but at the same time, there are also plenty of younger American women who think feminism is BS. There are younger American women, typically more right leaning, that see feminists as a bunch of jokes. On the other hand, the "you go girl" and "all men are pigs" nonsense is getting really bad outside of the Anglosphere. I have friends who are South American that tell me the extent to which feminism has penetrated Latin culture and mixed with the already entitled nature that Catholicism gives women, something me and @BillyPilgrim talk about time and time again.

Ever tried going Dutch with a Latina? I have been on dates with quite a few, they almost never go Dutch unless they happened to be raised in the western world. In fact, Latinas expect you to foot the entire bill and are gung ho on the "strong woman" and men should suffer culture these days.

American women are more than willing to pick up their end of the couch.

I have noticed that even American women who seem to be more pro-women rights are more than willing to do their part. These women will pay for themselves on a date and they will pick up their end of the couch. A lot of them I am noticing do try to keep themselves in shape as well after marriage although this is more common in larger cities. In the recent decade, there is a heavy movement towards being healthy and women themselves are really getting into it.

The prettiest women in media come from America.

Megan Fox, Heather Graham, Heather Locklear, and you name it. The world over, the famous and beautiful women that men are worshiping are usually all American. Sure, America has given the world a lot of annoying fat hags but when American women are good, they are truly state of the art. When American women are hot, very few women can compete with them in terms of appearance. An attractive American girl puts attractive women of most other nationalities to shame.

Most of all, a lot of American women have empathy and human emotions, you can even talk to them.

Russian woman? Could care less if someone near her dies.

Latina in some South American country? How much money are you putting in my pocket!

American women seem to have empathy and human emotions. They actually care if someone near them dies. They actually care if someone is being treated like crap. I have seen this time and time again where American women will see a nasty situation and want to intervene on behalf of someone being targeted. It is like they have this genuine built in empathy. Granted, this is less common with big city American girls but in the ones from smaller towns, it is actually very common.

You can also talk to American women as equals. Like you can talk to them about life and other things in a way you can't with foreign women.

Anyways, let me have it but I knew this made sense on July 4th.

USA USA USA!!!!

This goes without saying. You don’t actually mean that impoverished women are going to play a sucker into a better life?

The Manosphere much like a lot of the local discussion here is entirely theoretical, very little evidence based and then of course there is Rollo, the chief of ‘what’s good for thee is not good for me’

 

[Divorced w 3]

Good cook Jesse.

As long as you're not trying to bang an Italian-American chick, I agree. But be warned - they are some of the most patriotic women out there. They will portray themselves as deriving culturally from Americana, but that is misrepresenting their culture. They will have empathy and be easy to talk to, but dating them is difficult. You have to suss them out as they won't out themselves usually.

Anglo-American women are the best in America. Western and Northern European (French, German, Scandinavian, Low Countries, etc are also great nationalities in the U.S. And of course, the mutts deriving from the aforementioned.

You have had a bad run into Italian American woman. They will make you their king

 

[I_have_BDE]

Every tourist girl I met was open and flirty. Being away from home unhooks women for some reason.

Culture is a big factor. Spain, Portugal, eastern euro seems more friendly. Countries that are less americanized seem more friendly. Germany for example americanized.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You have had a bad run into Italian American woman. They will make you their king

It sucks because I've always lusted after them, but where I am they make it difficult. Back when I lived in San Diego, I dated a couple of them and had fun. When I first moved to Arizona, the majority of my worst experiences were with them, so I developed an aversion once I realized this. Since there are so many blue eyes blondes here it's like they've developed an extra layer of defense. I've noticed the same thing about black girls here too. Some backgrounds are more difficult than others, but the local environment can further distort that. Overall the women are good where I am, but you kinda have to be selective. It is what it is, and I wouln't b1tch too hard if they didn't target me so much. Lol.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Lots of shade thrown on Italians lololol. As a half Sicilian person that grew up near and spent a lot of time in Boston's North End, the women are cool. Armenian women as well, lots in Massachusetts too, they used to hang out at the North End a lot. Hard to date them as they seemed to fiercely date other Armenians. The couple I knew were all cool and partied hard.

I will put it this way so far, there are Italian Americans and then there are Italian Americans from NY and NJ. I ironically ran into some downright cool Sicilian chicks from Boston once and had a lot of fun with one of them. Somehow, Italians from Boston are chill AF and way more relaxed. Outside of the northeast and a handful of areas in the country, there is no such thing as Italian Americans, it's just Americans.

However, Italian Americans from the Tri-State area are a special brand of trash. The #MeToo movement was invented by Alyssa Milano and she is representative of the behavior of quite a few Italian American chicks from the NY and NJ area. Long Island, Jersey, and the tri-state NYC area in general produce a lot of god awful Italians that leave a bad taste in your mouth.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Italian-American culture is not a major thing outside of Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, and the Tri-State area (Metro New York City). Outside of the areas mentioned, there are not major populations of Italian-Americans and their culture does not influence the areas.

One thing I've noticed in Dallas is that the typical White woman has mixed European ancestry. That's a fairly generic White woman with Germanic, French, or English type ancestry. It's common for White women in Dallas to be interested in cookie cutter, generic type White guys. They seem to be seeking the generic White guys with a top tier status. Top tier looks will always do well. Since Dallas is more pretentious than average, money/status factors do play well here.

Loud, Italian-American guys with big muscles (think the Guido stereotype) are uncommon. The typical Dallas woman doesn't seem to seek this, though some might get turned on by the big muscles. Dallas women are more into seeking the combination of height and big muscles and Italian-American guys aren't often 6'0"+.

TBH, I feel like outside of the Tri-State area it is hardly a thing. However, I am slowly starting to believe that there is more to all of this. NYC in general, outside of Manhattan, is full of some of the most toxic people on the planet. You are dealing with some of the most cold-hearted, parasitic, and confrontational people out there. The men in the city are schemers of the highest degree trying to get ahead.

I almost wonder if the reason Italian Americans from the NY area are such trash and their women amongst the worst in the US is really a defense mechanism against the parasitic people of the city. For example, I love the Irish from Boston but for some reason, the Irish from NY are a bunch of try-hard all bark no bite wannabes.

That is the thing with NYC, it is really the tourists and transplants that make the city great. The locals, outside of the old money from CT and Manhattan, are all a bunch of parasites barring a few exceptions.

BTW, French ancestry in Dallas? Must have come from Louisiana lol. Being from the south though, there is no such thing as ancestry amongst whites there, you are just a white person and that is it.

Plus, Danny Amandola played for the Cowboys soooo he no doubt scored as an Italian American Chad.

I agree with what you said about Toronto. I think Toronto is the worst mating environment in North America. The women's attitudes are terrible and there is a big time anti-game culture.

In the US, the closest environments to Toronto would be in San Francisco, Seattle, Portland (OR), and Washington DC. Those cities are filled with careerist/feminist women and more soy-ish men.

In San Francisco, the dating pool is often a lot of White, ambitious career women and aspie tech males (White, East Asian, or South Asian). It's difficult to get matches from those populations.

One of the biggest problems overall in US dating culture is the surplus of single men in most cities.

IMO, Toronto does have some good looking women albeit they are trash compared to women in LA and Miami for instance, however, yeah, it has little value to offer.

Agreed on the surplus of single males but tbh, that is a 1st world problem. Men can now live longer and no longer have to deal with any wars so the ratios are a sausagefest.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

But yeah the non American girl thing is a cope tactic by guys that struggle with women imho. I also don’t buy the hype in Eastern European women either. How is a woman that is portrayed the most in sex trafficking and porn, supposed to be this feminine subservient girl? Plus, most of the women help topics on this forum revolve around some crazy Eastern European girl.

"But but but muh traditional values" lol

Eastern European women for the most part are downright nasty, the worst are women from the Balkans, especially Romania. When I lived in NYC and basically in any major city I have lived in, these girls are the main ones working in nightlife and trying to get Bottle Service jobs. In Miami, almost all of the bottle service girls are Eastern European, same with NYC. Granted it gets better near the Baltics but the more south you go in Eastern Europe, the trashier the women.

A rule of thumb I seem to notice is that the darker haired and swarthier countries of Eastern Europe almost always seem to produce the trashier women (Romania is a great example). The blonder and whiter countries produce somewhat classier women.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Dull, shallow, rude, boring, stuck up. Here in FL the European women who vacation here and are tourist are much much more friendly it seems. Even the hot ones. Polite, friendly and can actually have a conversation with them. Same with the men. More friendly people. Not full of themselves like North American people.

I can see why Trump was attracted to Melania.

LMFAO, where in Miami or South Florida have you been visiting and gaming? The French, British, and to an extent Italians produce by far the most shallow, power hungry, and clout chasing women out there. Can't get them tables at LIV or a major club? Go away, die. Seriously. They are the main ones who are beyond stuck up and confrontational on every approach. The dudes take themselves too seriously as well.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Culture is a big factor. Spain, Portugal, eastern euro seems more friendly. Countries that are less americanized seem more friendly. Germany for example americanized.

TBH, I have found Western Euro women in Miami to be the worst unless they are Scandinavian, German, or Dutch. The French are by far some of the worst out there alongside the Russians in terms of producing god awful women. Money hungry, power hungry, clout chasing, vain, and as shallow as they come. Way worse than American women in every way.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

LMFAO, where in Miami or South Florida have you been visiting and gaming? The French, British, and to an extent Italians produce by far the most shallow, power hungry, and clout chasing women out there. Can't get them tables at LIV or a major club? Go away, die. Seriously. They are the main ones who are beyond stuck up and confrontational on every approach. The dudes take themselves too seriously as well.

Naples. BDE lives in Big Goal country.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/members/biggoal.149808/

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/search/2084503/