MMF threesome

[Murk]

You do realize that an announced low bodycount of a 22y.o. woman doesnt proof she is not a hoe?

She could simple tell you what you want to hear and then you end up marrying a LYING 22 y.o. hoe.

And even IF she tells you the truth about her bodycount and only had 2 LTR, you dont know **** about WHY she has been fvcking these guys. She could have been in these relationships because her boyfriends payed for her expanses while she doesnt like sex at all and only fvcked them because they offered her free stuff, access to a higher social status or whatever. What kind of hoe is that?

How are you going to weed the hoes out anyway? For how long will they have to say NO to you until they prove they arent hoes? Or is it enough that they say they are no hoes but fvck on 1st,2nd,3rd date?

For how long are you dating women right now that say NO to you? 4 dates? 4 weeks? 3 Months? When exactly do you come to the conclusion that a chick is only wasting your time and has allready friendzoned you?

You also realize that by marrying a foreign woman from south america you could open up a whole new box of **** waiting to hit the fan that would make marrying a retired "hoe" (hoe by your standards) look like a walk in the park?


You are trying to set up an anti-hoe-formula which practically wont mean **** for the long run, even IF you are successfull to weed out the women with a bodycount of 3+.

I think your post is a little OTT, pessimistic and nonsensical. You seem to think no matter what, all women are lying h0es, most are, but not all. I don't care about the long run or a woman cheating/divorcing, I'm HIM, she would be lucky to have me. I've never been cheated on (to my knowledge) or dumped, heartbroken or ghosted, strung along, it's always been me doing the dirt. Several females would have my child right now and marriage. I just need a low-count highly attractive woman to commit to.

Regarding how will I know; I'd know if she were lying, people can't stick to one story forever. I'd use the @Howiestern methodology of asking them to tell their previous history as a story (something I've never done before but sounds like a good idea for a potential wife), record the convo secretly, and later make notes like taking minutes in a client meeting. Ask again later/cross reference, maybe 2-3 months later. All I really need is a girl to say she had a 5-7 year LTR since school (very common), and then 1 or none other maybe 2-3 flings max, no group sex. There you have a young female with a low body count suitable for marriage/kids.

Regarding weeding out the hoes; I've always smashed date 1 or 2 and never held that against them. I can't really, I believe I could smash a virgin within 1-3 dates so I put no bearing on how fast I bang a woman to how I view them (from my experience, I just can't). I don't wait longer than date 3, if I don't smash date 3 it's bye-bye (only happened twice) - however moving forward I have to change that mindset, and maybe not push so hard for the bang, be more reserved, more introverted while on dates. Completely untrue to who I am as a person (quite loud, they say I love attention), but maybe I'm just not meeting girls I think I really need to be careful with. I usually smash within 2 dates my whole life, imo that doesn't make a girl a h0e unless you're an average guy. If a girl is letting regular guys smash date 1-2 shes a h0e.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Plenty of women will simply lie

In my experience, most girls with high notch counts would rather just straight up refuse to tell you an exact number than lie about it, but yes, some women will lie. If you vet properly over an extended period of time, you can filter out the liars imho.

Edit: Some guys like @CBear have already written about liars. I guess they agree with me that its not that hard to filter them out.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

, I will f*ck off to SA and run my business remotely and find a Colombian if I have to.

I do not understand this obsession with thinking that Colombian or <insert nationality> hot young babes are waiting by the bus load at the airport for westerners show up and whisk them away. Furthermore, they’re racking up body counts as well, just like Americans or any other developed country.

 

[CBear]

I think your post is a little OTT, pessimistic and nonsensical. You seem to think no matter what, all women are lying h0es, most are, but not all. I don't care about the long run or a woman cheating/divorcing, I'm HIM, she would be lucky to have me. I've never been cheated on (to my knowledge) or dumped, heartbroken or ghosted, strung along, it's always been me doing the dirt. Several females would have my child right now and marriage. I just need a low-count highly attractive woman to commit to.

Regarding how will I know; I'd know if she were lying, people can't stick to one story forever. I'd use the @Howiestern methodology of asking them to tell their previous history as a story (something I've never done before but sounds like a good idea for a potential wife), record the convo secretly, and later make notes like taking minutes in a client meeting. Ask again later/cross reference, maybe 2-3 months later. All I really need is a girl to say she had a 5-7 year LTR since school (very common), and then 1 or none other maybe 2-3 flings max, no group sex. There you have a young female with a low body count suitable for marriage/kids.

Regarding weeding out the hoes; I've always smashed date 1 or 2 and never held that against them. I can't really, I believe I could smash a virgin within 1-3 dates so I put no bearing on how fast I bang a woman to how I view them (from my experience, I just can't). I don't wait longer than date 3, if I don't smash date 3 it's bye-bye (only happened twice) - however moving forward I have to change that mindset, and maybe not push so hard for the bang, be more reserved, more introverted while on dates. Completely untrue to who I am as a person (quite loud, they say I love attention), but maybe I'm just not meeting girls I think I really need to be careful with. I usually smash within 2 dates my whole life, imo that doesn't make a girl a h0e unless you're an average guy. If a girl is letting regular guys smash date 1-2 shes a h0e.

Asking them to tell their stories is a really good tactic because if it's a genuine story, it won't be changed. If someone heavily manipulates their stories, it's not going to sound the same when they tell it to you a second or third or etc. time. Otherwise it'll be like "you said this and this happened and you reacted like this because of that" and then if they get anxious or get angry, that tells you everything you need to know. This is how I got one girl to admit to me that she was a h0e who was incapable of making good decisions after she initially said that she was graped multiple times throughout her life and initially tried to come off as an innocent girl.

Guys, it's possible to vet a girl and know most things about her without impossibly looking at a TV screen that replays her life directly from her eyes. You just need to be extremely observant and care to know information early on. That's what builds good judgement. People will always show you their true colors if you ask them the right questions.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Several females would have my child right now and marriage. I just need a low-count highly attractive woman to commit to.

Of course...... a lot of men here on SS know women that would take a ring and have kids with them RIGHT NOW and there are millions of foreigners on earth, ready to pounce on a top 5% westerner, marry him, have his child, money and passport YESTERDAY.

I dont know your background, what first hand experience you have on LTR´s and marriage but if you expect things to work out the way you plan them in your hoe-matrix, good luck.

 

[Gamisch]

I know, I’m doing a lot of retrospection to get to the bottom of WHY I’m finding these women.

The three girls who done MFM were all different. Only 2 never touched drugs, all 3 intelligent and not typical stupid dumb sl*t vibes. 2 had daddy issues, one had a great dad. I could argue all 3 had self esteem issues as none of them were hb8+ I think slightly less attractive women probably have more to prove and for a handsome Chad will do anything.

That’s why I’m going for top tier in looks now, they don’t have to do degrading things for approval. My money is enough now that I can actually secure the woman I want rather than be pursued and cave in to demands of hb7.5

Well,but HOW do you find these women? OLD? By default thats a toxic pool to fish in. Looks dont really matter in the long run, because crazy=crazy. Or should we say " dysfunctional "?.

Sexuality and personality/character are not the same thing. Look at the Epstein files. Seemingly upstanding people having sex parties that would make Ron Jeremy's cheeks turn red.

I've learned to accept that i am simply "not oke" with modern female sexuality, but i am also aware of the fact that I won't be able to do anything about it. Before the average woman turns 22 shebprobably had more partners than I will have in two lifetimes. And the better she is at dating, the more she might've been around the block.

Your search for this (imo) unicorn is making your life harder than it should be. Your job is to be RP aware of female nature, and she is guilty untill proven innocence. NOT the other way around. Imo asking for her past is the fastest way to show your (bluepilled)cards. Because you can ask a million questions, only time and actions will tell you about her true colors. You'll need at least 3 to 6 months to get a graps of what's she's really like.

That doesn't mean you can't have fun with them...just keep them in the funzone.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Your job is to be RP aware of female nature, and she is guilty untill proven innocence. NOT the other way around. Imo asking for her past is the fastest way to show your (bluepilled)cards. Because you can ask a million questions, only time and actions will tell you about her true colors.

People dont get this. Thats what it looks like when the non redpilled talk about wifing up hot virgins that fvck on 3rd date and living happily everafter with them. You NEVER listen to what a woman tells you she does, you WATCH what she is doing.

If you ask a women about herself and her past, she will tell you how she FEELS about it (her past relationships etc.) and not what objectively happened. Most times you will not find out they lie to you because they believe in her own "truth" so much they could pass a lie detector test.

And even if you vet her for 12 months and think of her as girlfriend material, there is NO WAY to predict how she is gonna turn out after she has a ring, a couple of kids and the legal system behind her.

Its ridiculous to think to have the measure of a woman because you think to know she only fvcked 2 guys max in her life.

 

[Gamisch]

@Bingo-Player you keep responding with laughing emojis, but i fail to see the joke...please enlighten me bruh! Are we in the wrong when we say don't believe what a woman tells you?

Murk said:
Several females would have my child right now and marriage. I just need a low-count highly attractive woman to commit to.

@Murk. This kinda sounds like the woman that "just wants a 666 pretty faced man that thugged out enough to be willing to go to jail for her but smart enough to stay out of it, with a 9 incher ,good family and friend and some ugly non threatening female friends as well."

Recently i kinda let go of all these demands. I've noticed that i tend to pedestalize women that SEEMINGLY live up to my demands ,thus allowing her to get away with more than what's good for me...

I am hardwired to look for "The perfect girl " ever since I was 15, so that search will probably never end. But again, ever since i accepted that it wil be a long hard search , the quality of my dating life went up. More cooperative women, more of my rules ,and less drama. Yes higher counts and more dubious pasts, but acceptance is key.

If 1 outta 50 women are that unicorn, you'll still have to go through 49 shyte shows to get there..might as well have fun while diong so

 

[pipeman84]

And even if you vet her for 12 months and think of her as girlfriend material, there is NO WAY to predict how she is gonna turn out after she has a ring, a couple of kids and the legal system behind her.

The only sure things in life are death and taxes. The rest is based on probabilities. Marriage and kids - if you want to do it the traditional way, not this blended families/seeings your kids ever other weekend stuff - means a life commitment, or at least 20 years. To stack the probabilities in your favor as much as possible you should 1. choose well and 2. time test well. I would say time test her for 2 years before marrying her, and that includes living with her, going on vacation with her ... fully expose the two of you to life during those 2 years. That's enough time to see her weaknesses, strengths and form a good foundation for marriage.

 

[Murk]

I do not understand this obsession with thinking that Colombian or <insert nationality> hot young babes are waiting by the bus load at the airport for westerners show up and whisk them away. Furthermore, they’re racking up body counts as well, just like Americans or any other developed country.

They may well F me over, my rationale is, Colombian with thick thighs and a gorgeous face is my dream woman, if I have kids with her and she's a nightmare, at least I have good genes and something pretty to look at for the rest of my life.

I will happily sacrifice a low body count for a stunner, sorry I didn't make that clear, she can have a mfm threesome in her past if shes a 9 or 10.

Of course...... a lot of men here on SS know women that would take a ring and have kids with them RIGHT NOW and there are millions of foreigners on earth, ready to pounce on a top 5% westerner, marry him, have his child, money and passport YESTERDAY.

I dont know your background, what first hand experience you have on LTR´s and marriage but if you expect things to work out the way you plan them in your hoe-matrix, good luck.

Bro you've literally offered NO alternative other than crying, moaning and whinging. Yeah, you guys can cash out of the game but some of us are still here to win.

@Bingo-Player you keep responding with laughing emojis, but i fail to see the joke...please enlighten me bruh! Are we in the wrong when we say don't believe what a woman tells you?

Murk said:
Several females would have my child right now and marriage. I just need a low-count highly attractive woman to commit to.

@Murk. This kinda sounds like the woman that "just wants a 666 pretty faced man that thugged out enough to be willing to go to jail for her but smart enough to stay out of it, with a 9 incher ,good family and friend and some ugly non threatening female friends as well."

Recently i kinda let go of all these demands. I've noticed that i tend to pedestalize women that SEEMINGLY live up to my demands ,thus allowing her to get away with more than what's good for me...

I am hardwired to look for "The perfect girl " ever since I was 15, so that search will probably never end. But again, ever since i accepted that it wil be a long hard search , the quality of my dating life went up. More cooperative women, more of my rules ,and less drama. Yes higher counts and more dubious pasts, but acceptance is key.

If 1 outta 50 women are that unicorn, you'll still have to go through 49 shyte shows to get there..might as well have fun while diong so

Yeah you hit the nail on the head. Hence i'm 34 with no children and no LTR.

The only sure things in life are death and taxes. The rest is based on probabilities. Marriage and kids - if you want to do it the traditional way, not this blended families/seeings your kids ever other weekend stuff - means a life commitment, or at least 20 years. To stack the probabilities in your favor as much as possible you should 1. choose well and 2. time test well. I would say time test her for 2 years before marrying her, and that includes living with her, going on vacation with her ... fully expose the two of you to life during those 2 years. That's enough time to see her weaknesses, strengths and form a good foundation for marriage.

Amen.

 

[The Duke]

Guys, there are no guarantees. You can pick the best stock out there and it still not work out. You guys are so hyper focused on how many dudes she has been with(not saying that isn't a big deal) and are neglecting personal skills that determine if the relationship works or not.

There are also many outside influences you will have to contend with. Many of those are societal. We live in a throw away society. If you are having problems with something you throw it away and go get another. We don't fix anything anymore. It's ok for women to wh0re around. It's ok for women to act like men in the corporate world. Things come and go at warp speed. Longevity is not revered. We want and expect almost instantaneous answers/assurance. It's about me me me, not what's best for the whole.

All of these things have crept into the fabric of society over time and caused the mass dysfunction you see today. The male/female dynamic and role expectations are so out of whack. It's no longer natural.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Great post man. +1

Guys, there are no guarantees. You can pick the best stock out there and it still not work out. You guys are so hyper focused on how many dudes she has been with(not saying that isn't a big deal) and are neglecting personal skills that determine if the relationship works or not.

There are also many outside influences you will have to contend with. Many of those are societal. We live in a throw away society. If you are having problems with something you throw it away and go get another. We don't fix anything anymore. It's ok for women to wh0re around. It's ok for women to act like men in the corporate world. Things come and go at warp speed. Longevity is not revered. We want and expect almost instantaneous answers/assurance. It's about me me me, not what's best for the whole.

All of these things have crept into the fabric of society over time and caused the mass dysfunction you see today. The male/female dynamic and role expectations are so out of whack. It's no longer natural.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

I will happily sacrifice a low body count for a stunner, sorry I didn't make that clear, she can have a mfm threesome in her past if shes a 9 or 10.

Bro you've literally offered NO alternative other than crying, moaning and whinging. Yeah, you guys can cash out of the game but some of us are still here to win.



Yeah you hit the nail on the head. Hence i'm 34 with no children and no LTR.

Bro, i am not crying, moaning and whinging...... just trying to bring the reality of kids & marriage to you. Have you even lived with a woman for a couple of years under one roof?

You are not going to win anything, trusting in a low bodycount, which also seems to be obsolete as you drop the bodycount thing if shes just "hot enough". I mean, there go what little standards you seem to have....... if shes hot she can be a "hoe" by your definition.

Lets be real, you dont want to hear the alternative. You want the unicorn, thats it and it will bite you in the ass.

Good luck though!

 

[Bingo-Player]

@Bingo-Player you keep responding with laughing emojis, but i fail to see the joke...please enlighten me bruh! Are we in the wrong when we say don't believe what a woman tells you?

Murk said:
Several females would have my child right now and marriage. I just need a low-count highly attractive woman to commit to.

No you are right i am laughing to myself because men generally believe the opposite and will take a womans word as gospel

 

[Murk]

Bro, i am not crying, moaning and whinging...... just trying to bring the reality of kids & marriage to you. Have you even lived with a woman for a couple of years under one roof?

You are not going to win anything, trusting in a low bodycount, which also seems to be obsolete as you drop the bodycount thing if shes just "hot enough". I mean, there go what little standards you seem to have....... if shes hot she can be a "hoe" by your definition.

Lets be real, you dont want to hear the alternative. You want the unicorn, thats it and it will bite you in the ass.

Good luck though!

I'm not seriously dropping the body count thing for a very hot woman, but my standards will be a bit less (maybe under 10 rather than 5, still no group sex) as she makes up for her value in beauty. If I can get 2 kids with good genetics from her and she raises them well, she can frankly do what she pleases. I'll then get a vasectomy and settle with a 7/8 who worships me. Let me dream.

 

[Murk]

Guys, there are no guarantees. You can pick the best stock out there and it still not work out. You guys are so hyper focused on how many dudes she has been with(not saying that isn't a big deal) and are neglecting personal skills that determine if the relationship works or not.

There are also many outside influences you will have to contend with. Many of those are societal. We live in a throw away society. If you are having problems with something you throw it away and go get another. We don't fix anything anymore. It's ok for women to wh0re around. It's ok for women to act like men in the corporate world. Things come and go at warp speed. Longevity is not revered. We want and expect almost instantaneous answers/assurance. It's about me me me, not what's best for the whole.

All of these things have crept into the fabric of society over time and caused the mass dysfunction you see today. The male/female dynamic and role expectations are so out of whack. It's no longer natural.

Obviously there are no guarantees. The least we can do as men is not impregnate some h0e. You will be tied for life to some piece of trash. All I'm trying to do here is stop that from happening and have a fulfilled life. It's too late for many of you, I get it, but everyone is behaving like it's impossible.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

If I can get 2 kids with good genetics from her and she raises them well, she can frankly do what she pleases. I'll then get a vasectomy and settle with a 7/8 who worships me. Let me dream.

Settle with the 7 that worships you first and you will see your kids grow up and have a positive influence on them. This beats "good genes" in the long run.

 

[Murk]

Settle with the 7 that worships you first and you will see your kids grow up and have a positive influence on them. This beats "good genes" in the long run.

Bro I've tried to do this twice in the last 5 years... but I can't do it. I begin to resent the girl and nitpick, I end up cheating, I wish I could be happy with an above-average-looking women but I can't. It's not actually fair on myself to commit to a life time with plain jane.

It doesn't matter hoe or not. Once they are bred shyt changes.
Something biological happens.
Its been called the dead bedroom and it takes being on top of your game.

Yes but not every woman has a child and turns into a sexless b*tch, if that were the case families would have 1 child as opposed to 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 children. People would be married only 5 years instead of 30-60 years.

At this point I think you guys are doing this on purpose.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Haha Sparta this hilariously not true. A 7 doesn't garentee shyt.

Well you have pretty much no guarantee on anything in life, except on dying.

If women would rate you a 6, it wouldnt mean shyt for her being a 7. Meanwhile it will make a difference if you are a 8 and shes a 7.

The point is to get the odds into your favor.

It all comes with a context of the 7 thinking you are the best that she can get. Thats the whole point of "settling" with a woman below your own level when it comes to kids and marriage.

You will find a woman more likely to be compliant/submissive when she isnt wondering all the time if she could get a better deal.

Bro I've tried to do this twice in the last 5 years... but I can't do it. I begin to resent the girl and nitpick, I end up cheating, I wish I could be happy with an above-average-looking women but I can't. It's not actually fair on myself to commit to a life time with plain jane.

I can relate...... be aware that family courts play in a whole other league of unfair should your "hot" wife decide to divorce-rape you.

Besides that, a few years down the road you might come to conclusion that every hot pvssy gets old after you fvcked her for a couple of years. You also might come to conclusion that no pvssy is worth disturbing your peace in life.

Give it a few years before you go forth on this endeavour, you might change your views as priorities in life change.

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

I had a girl admit to me she had a mmf threesome. She wanted a relationship but I remember after she told me that never looking at her the same. I had her bf call me constantly and I said your gf slept with two dudes at the same time and your there saying I love you to her. Think of that.