Murks T levels (|) - Test results came back at 300

[Divorced w 3]

Since you're committing to shutting down your HPTA, you might as well start blast and cruising.

Wow what a reply from the community holy cow lol. What is blast and cruise?

 

[Divorced w 3]

Is this doctor a quack? TRT is for people with low levels not abnormally high ones.

He wanted to give me peptides. I was like no shot dude. I took a couple cycles back in my 20’s, you can imagine what my numbers were then. I know what gear does for me

 

[Divorced w 3]

What was you Free Testosterone? Total T is just a visualization number o your T attached to protein

20.6 pg/ML free T
1039 ng/DL T
39.5 pg/ML estradiol
38.5 years old

 

[Divorced w 3]

What are you referring to by "gear" in this instance? You said you have insanely high T that they presumed TRT use so I'm confused about what you're trying to do? Use gear to lower your LH levels?

I’m getting 400 mg/ week of t. The gear is because I likely have a lower T number than the test showed. I took a test a month before under same conditions and had 600 ng/dl. Something is amiss. When I took a couple cycle of enanthate (Norma Hellas) and dbol back when i was 26, I was walking around with boners 24/7. Dbol actually lowers drive so that’s really all I need to know. Sometimes you need to be your own doctor.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I find it hard to believe this many men <45 have testosterone issues…

 

[Murk]

I find it hard to believe this many men <45 have testosterone issues…

Then you need to wake up to the ongoing poisoning that global governments are doing to their people. It's no coincidence.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

20.6 pg/ML free T
1039 ng/DL T
39.5 pg/ML estradiol
38.5 years old

That's pretty crazy...your free T is very low for total T being that high. You should look into stinging nettle root which will block SHBG to allow more of that T to be free. You are basically wasting all that T production and simply aromatizing it into estrogen. Might be worst case scenario since most of the T isn't usable by your body, but since there is so much of it, your estradiol levels are high because it takes all that extra T and turns it into E.

On TRT, my Total T is usually somewhere between 625-675 and free is like in the high 40s to low 50s which is way over range for free T(unsure why my SHBG is so low but it is apparently)

Your estradiol level is too high also...mid 20s is where you want to be. Might want to talk to your doctor about getting some Aromasin.

 

[Fruitbat]

So probs TMI but i am natty 600 T. I’ve been v low libido. I had a big event coming up that stressed me out for weeks.

since that is over (big success) I’ve been horny as hell. Mrs is on rag but I’ve jacked it 7 times in 2 days.

any guys with low libido I would suggest stress as a major factor

 

[Divorced w 3]

That's pretty crazy...your free T is very low for total T being that high. You should look into stinging nettle root which will block SHBG to allow more of that T to be free. You are basically wasting all that T production and simply aromatizing it into estrogen. Might be worst case scenario since most of the T isn't usable by your body, but since there is so much of it, your estradiol levels are high because it takes all that extra T and turns it into E.

On TRT, my Total T is usually somewhere between 625-675 and free is like in the high 40s to low 50s which is way over range for free T(unsure why my SHBG is so low but it is apparently)

Your estradiol level is too high also...mid 20s is where you want to be. Might want to talk to your doctor about getting some Aromasin.

Thanks man. I am getting arimidex along with the test cyp.

 

[Murk]

So probs TMI but i am natty 600 T. I’ve been v low libido. I had a big event coming up that stressed me out for weeks.

since that is over (big success) I’ve been horny as hell. Mrs is on rag but I’ve jacked it 7 times in 2 days.

any guys with low libido I would suggest stress as a major factor

True for me

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Thanks man. I am getting arimidex along with the test cyp.

No no no!

Tell them you want Aromasin/Exemestane not Arimidex. Aromasin is a suicidal inhibitor which means it irreversibly binds to the Aromatase receptor blocking it forever until the body recycles it. This is important.

Arimidex does not and can cause estrogen rebound once it releases from the receptor.

Arimidex can also crash your E levels too low whereas Aromasin does not crash E. This is important because you want your E levels in range but not too low as Estrogen is used in males to repair testosterone receptors and for joint health as well.

Don't bother trying to explain as to why(I have already tried to like 5 different ones, I just glassy eyed stares), the doctors are clueless when it comes to this stuff, just tell them you want Aromasin/Exemestane because it's better. Doctors love prescribing that Arimidex garbage and I haven't figured out why.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Arimidex does not and can cause estrogen rebound once it releases from the receptor.

Actually, that's looked at as bro-science now.... There is no evidence of Rebound.

 

[DonJuanjr]

What is blast and cruise?

Doing cycles with the time in between at a trt dose. So let's say you blast 500mg/week of T for 12 weeks, then after that, you can go down to say, 125mg/week of T which would bring you within normal range. Keep that for say, 6 weeks, then blast 500mg/week for another 12 weeks.

Since you're committing to shutting down your HPTA, it makes more sense to do this since you're shut down anyways.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Doing cycles with the time in between at a trt dose. So let's say you blast 500mg/week of T for 12 weeks, then after that, you can go down to say, 125mg/week of T which would bring you within normal range. Keep that for say, 6 weeks, then blast 500mg/week for another 12 weeks.

Since you're committing to shutting down your HPTA, it makes more sense to do this since you're shut down anyways.

This is incredible.

I was always in disbelief of the following. There is a dude at the pool who must be doing this. No homo, but the guy is the poster child for the term ‘skipping leg day’. He is my age and it is not humanely possible to be so top heavy, without leg work.

 

[Fruitbat]

Guys who are taking T, what were your levels before?

I can’t see the point me doing test cycles at 600. However, I would possibly be interested in a cycle to pack on muscle. They say you lose it all but thag doesn’t seem to be the case. Guys I know who did cycles still look bigger nowadays than people who never did. If you do one or two cycles to bulk, do you then have to f with hormones forever?

i met a guy who was massive who did gear and he said he never even bothered with PCT.

is 600 enough to build a fair bit of muscle? If I banged an extra 500 pinning test, would it make a big difference? Or worth trying diannabol? That seems to be one which gets massive results

or at 600 just leave alone as I can build pretty good on that?

 

[DonJuanjr]

I can’t see the point me going on TRT at 600. However, I would possibly be interested in a cycle to pack on muscle.

If ^^this is what you meant, then I'd agree. No point in shutting yourself down permanently to just go on TRT and raise it a couple hundred. The difference would be hardly noticeable.... Though, a cycle will put mass on.

They say you lose it all but thag doesn’t seem to be the case.

Genetics play a major role here. What makes one lose it, is the tanking of Test levels once you come off, and the body needs time to start natural production again. Guys will say they were spinning their wheels getting big then losing it while cycling on and off. Only to start retaining some of it when they decided to blast and cruise. Because the Test levels don't tank.. On say, 500mg/week, they'd go from somewhere between 2200-4000 down to 800-1000. When one comes off, they'd go from the 2200-4000 down to almost nothing. Depending on genetics, one might retain alot, one might lose alot. More likely the latter. Since most are not genetically gifted.

i met a guy who was massive who did gear and he said he never even bothered with PCT.

Either he's genetically gifted (which I wouldn't expect that for yourself), or he's blasting and cruising, or perma blasting.

is 600 enough to build a fair bit of muscle?

Humans all have the ability to build muscle, but to what extent? What do you mean by "fair bit"? If it's something that most would consider impressive, then no. If it's something that looks fit, but average, then yes. Though again, genetics play a major role.

If I banged an extra 500 pinning test, would it make a big difference?

You'd go from 600-upwards of 2200-4000(depending on your body's response). Yes, you'd see a difference in performance, recovery, strength, and size. Though again, genetics plays a major role.

Or worth trying diannabol? That seems to be one which gets massive results

You wouldn't want to add dbol into the mix without first knowing how much your body coverts test to estrogen. Genetics play a major role in side effects as well...

One may be able to handle high amounts of estrogen, and not get gyno due to aromatization. Others may not be able to handle high estrogen, and get gyno, though they don't covert test to estrogen at a high rate anyways.... Others may covert at a high rate, and get gyno easily, which means they'd need to keep their test dosage to a level that doesn't cause the high estrogen effects, and introduce another compound that doesn't aromatize to estrogen like dbol does, or take a massive dose of A.I. which would be unhealthier than using a different compound for strength and size.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

In the bodybuilding they don't take aromasin, since they will kill those receptors until the body start to create morek and it an take a few months, I've crashed my E level using adex, its not fun at all, but once they come back they don't go high and rebound, it all depends how much you T you're taking.

People who crash their E2 are morons who take pills without getting labs done to see at least how their levels are and comparing that with how they feel, I was a moron I did that. For me in single digits (8 or 9) I feel bad, lethargic, no interest in $ex, sensation is non existent, $sex feels like a chore, can't hold an erection, no morning wood, joints hurt. Similar to High E2

No bro, the receptors regenerate within a few days.

Aromasin is a much better drug than Arimidex or Letrozole for what it is trying to do.

 

[Fruitbat]

If ^^this is what you meant, then I'd agree. No point in shutting yourself down permanently to just go on TRT and raise it a couple hundred. The difference would be hardly noticeable.... Though, a cycle will put mass on.


Genetics play a major role here. What makes one lose it, is the tanking of Test levels once you come off, and the body needs time to start natural production again. Guys will say they were spinning their wheels getting big then losing it while cycling on and off. Only to start retaining some of it when they decided to blast and cruise. Because the Test levels don't tank.. On say, 500mg/week, they'd go from somewhere between 2200-4000 down to 800-1000. When one comes off, they'd go from the 2200-4000 down to almost nothing. Depending on genetics, one might retain alot, one might lose alot. More likely the latter. Since most are not genetically gifted.


Either he's genetically gifted (which I wouldn't expect that for yourself), or he's blasting and cruising, or perma blasting.


Humans all have the ability to build muscle, but to what extent? What do you mean by "fair bit"? If it's something that most would consider impressive, then no. If it's something that looks fit, but average, then yes. Though again, genetics play a major role.


You'd go from 600-upwards of 2200-4000(depending on your body's response). Yes, you'd see a difference in performance, recovery, strength, and size. Though again, genetics plays a major role.


You wouldn't want to add dbol into the mix without first knowing how much your body coverts test to estrogen. Genetics play a major role in side effects as well...

One may be able to handle high amounts of estrogen, and not get gyno due to aromatization. Others may not be able to handle high estrogen, and get gyno, though they don't covert test to estrogen at a high rate anyways.... Others may covert at a high rate, and get gyno easily, which means they'd need to keep their test dosage to a level that doesn't cause the high estrogen effects, and introduce another compound that doesn't aromatize to estrogen like dbol does, or take a massive dose of A.I. which would be unhealthier than using a different compound for strength and size.

right so my levels of 600 are enough to look fairly fit and muscular but I won’t get that big bodybuilder look? That’s fine, I don’t really want to look huge. More of a swimmer physique. Am not going though all the BS on hormones for life for the sake of looking massive and ripped

 

[DonJuanjr]

right so my levels of 600 are enough to look fairly fit and muscular but I won’t get that big bodybuilder look? That’s fine, I don’t really want to look huge. More of a swimmer physique. Am not going though all the BS on hormones for life for the sake of looking massive and ripped

For your aspirations, yeah, no point going on TRT at all. As far as "BS on hormones for life" so what.... It's a small injection once or twice a week. Hardly time consuming or limiting. Brushing one's teeth is more "bs".. That's if one couldn't restore their HPTA even after years on TRT... Guys have done it. Don't know until one tries.

 

[Divorced w 3]

In the bodybuilding they don't take aromasin, since they will kill those receptors until the body start to create morek and it an take a few months, I've crashed my E level using adex, its not fun at all, but once they come back they don't go high and rebound, it all depends how much you T you're taking.

People who crash their E2 are morons who take pills without getting labs done to see at least how their levels are and comparing that with how they feel, I was a moron I did that. For me in single digits (8 or 9) I feel bad, lethargic, no interest in $ex, sensation is non existent, $sex feels like a chore, can't hold an erection, no morning wood, joints hurt. Similar to High E2

This libido issue on Dex makes me concerned. I have Cialis right now because, as you can see I have massive T numbers but also high E, so it was the first approach until I went on TRT. I thought I would start taking Dex asap while I was shooting because it may start to chip the E back but I don’t wanna have it go the totally opposite direction. If I take .5mg Dex as prescribed and 320/wk cyp I am not gonna go limp fish am I?

secondly, I wonder if I could have skipped Trt entirely and just gone with Dex?? If I start shooting gear I am gonna look like fvcking Arnold.