Incels deserve being sexless. The only person you have to blame is yourself. Unless you ruthlessly self improve for 10 years you can’t complain.

[corrector]

You obviously plateaued at some point lol

Not really.

 

[Robert28]

Is there a point you're trying to make? Incels deserve being incel if they're not willing to use escorts. But at the end of the day you can't have an advanced society with the majority of men being hard-up. It doesn't work that way. The OP, if being serious, is primitive thinking imo.

The thing people on here forget is escorts aren’t legal everywhere. It’s VERY risky where I live, they’re always setting up stings, the escorts around my area have pimps or are on drugs and who knows what you’re waking into meeting up with one. It’s not worth getting busted or robbed for some snatch.

 

[corrector]

I'd also add that I'd think modern day men and women hold sex so highly because its really the only thing left that cant be bout outright.

Escortcelling?

 

[Smok1nAce]

Escortcelling?

Escorting is not the same as an actual women who desires you.

 

[corrector]

The thing people on here forget is escorts aren’t legal everywhere. It’s VERY risky where I live, they’re always setting up stings, the escorts around my area have pimps or are on drugs and who knows what you’re waking into meeting up with one. It’s not worth getting busted or robbed for some snatch.

It's not legal where I am, but LE does bother enforcing the laws unless its minors or trafficking. Bigger fish to fry elsewhere.

America they jail too many people up for that to even mean anything. One can say just being in the wrong place at the wrong time can land you in jail in America if you are in a cop's way.

 

[Robert28]

It's not legal where I am, but LE does bother enforcing the laws unless its minors or trafficking. Bigger fish to fry elsewhere.

America they jail too many people up for that to even mean anything. One can say just being in the wrong place at the wrong time can land you in jail in America if you are in a cop's way.

**** law enforcement in my state will post fake adds on back page and rent out hotel rooms to just bust John’s. They aren’t worried about anything else it seems like. They claim they’re fighting human sex trafficking but they aren’t, it’s just an excuse to bust desperate guys.

 

[corrector]

**** law enforcement in my state will post fake adds on back page and rent out hotel rooms to just bust John’s. They aren’t worried about anything else it seems like. They claim they’re fighting human sex trafficking but they aren’t, it’s just an excuse to bust desperate guys.

To be frank, I don't understand how they would bust me in such a case. When I visited in the past, I just presented myself at the door and was totally mute. In one case, I only asked to use the washroom and was okay parting with $ 60 to use their washroom and leave the place. In another case, the door was opened and she asked me what I wanted and I just said "experience" and walked in. There is no direct communication that I wanted any sex or understood that it was about that.

Kidding aside, what State are you in? Maybe someone can look into the laws of your state if you are this paranoid about it.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Not really.

At what age was your peak in attractiveness?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

**** law enforcement in my state will post fake adds on back page and rent out hotel rooms to just bust John’s. They aren’t worried about anything else it seems like. They claim they’re fighting human sex trafficking but they aren’t, it’s just an excuse to bust desperate guys.

It's a felony offense in my state lol

 

[corrector]

At what age was your peak in attractiveness?

I don't think there ever was such a peak. Just never got traction properly with the ladies. Went to an all boys school and had oneitis in University and that was the 90s. Just not in my cards I guess. I have no envy or longing of any younger days, as it pertains to women, so I can't really experience a wall.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Life as a man sucks. It’s extremely hard. You aren’t owed anything.

You have to grind all out nonstop to become desirable and if you don’t you have no right to complain.

I disagree.

Stefan Molyneux FDR coined it dating Olympics. If manlet or ugly, a lot of fellas in the west will take Ls.

You have busted obese women who are entitled AF and delusional.

Game recognizes game. It can be a equalizer but it's relative to one's origin.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

The thing people on here forget is escorts aren’t legal everywhere. It’s VERY risky where I live, they’re always setting up stings, the escorts around my area have pimps or are on drugs and who knows what you’re waking into meeting up with one. It’s not worth getting busted or robbed for some snatch.

My opinion of women isn't very high in the UK. It's higher abroad.

You basically got to be batman up in this *****. It lends to far better success abroad and competence in your own back yard following being forged in the fire.

I agree mostly with Aaron Clarey minus this aspect but i get why he suggests what he does. I couldn't fathom the opinion of women in the fast lifestyle. Its not ideal imo nor productive from a world view perspective.

The sentiment is that, you pay them to leave or so they say. I run game. I wouldn't suggest anything but game. I walked a mate off a cliff of escorts and call girls. He's essentially Archer incarnation. Sly. I can't respect wack game or Johns. There's a invisible barrier between my playboy mates vs that guy. I simply do not trust nor relate to on any level. I am repulsed by the idea entirely.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The majority of incels are man-children who cry about their condition in life but make no effort to actually ACT. They analyze their face shapes, not realizing that lifting will improve any face (testosterone increase + jawline). Their whole sphere seems hellbent on rationalizing their failure in the most important domain of a biological creature — sex.

I bet that nearly all of us had a period of life where we were “incels”. But instead of crying and justifying our failure, we took actionable steps to improve our station in life and our attractiveness to women. The rationalizing and pouting nature of incels make them closer to women than to men.

My HS friends & I were the geeky. nerdy dork incels in HS/early college. Most of us escaped. One way or another. But a few remain. And at this stage… It’s probably over. My estimate is they could have gotten out as well.

 

[corrector]

Escorting is not the same as an actual women who desires you.

Its an actual woman, as opposed to an ET pretending to be a woman (ie although I was not 100% sure of that last one that I saw, you know there are various ET-human hybrids around infiltrating these places).

 

[Mike32ct]

My HS friends & I were the geeky. nerdy dork incels in HS/early college. Most of us escaped. One way or another. But a few remain. And at this stage… It’s probably over. My estimate is they could have gotten out as well.

That’s one area where RP does those guys a disservice. It tells them they’ve got plenty of time and will peak at 38+. But for cel guys, the “escape window” is very short and expires way way before that.

 

[corrector]

That’s one area where RP does those guys a disservice. It tells them they’ve got plenty of time and will peak at 38+. But for cel guys, the “escape window” is very short and expires way way before that.

Yeah, I remember reading books like "How To Succeed with Women" back in 2003 and one of the statements in that book was that there is plenty of time. As a man you are in the driver's seat. You make the opportunity and you make the approach when you want and on demand. The times have changed dramatically since then as well as aging.

 

[Mike32ct]

Yeah, I remember reading books like "How To Succeed with Women" back in 2003 and one of the statements in that book was that there is plenty of time. As a man you are in the driver's seat. You make the opportunity and you make the approach when you want and on demand. The times have changed dramatically since then as well as aging.

Yes I read the same book.

It’s true than an experienced (normie) guy has a longer timeline. If you’re 35 and divorced or had mutiple relationships, you still have a decent amount of time left.

But a say 35+ virgin or nearcel, it’s pretty much over. It’s getting too late to learn critical interpersonal/relationship/sex skills at that point.

TLDR: RP lumps normies and cels into the same box and gives them one size fits all advice.

 

[corrector]

Yes I read the same book.

It’s true than an experienced (normie) guy has a longer timeline. If you’re 35 and divorced or had mutiple relationships, you still have a decent amount of time left.

But a say 35+ virgin or nearcel, it’s pretty much over. It’s getting too late to learn critical interpersonal/relationship/sex skills at that point.

TLDR: RP lumps normies and cels into the same box and gives them one size fits all advice.

My first intense and serious relationship happened at 36 years and I got married at 38 years (with another lady), all after age 35 though.

 

[Mike32ct]

My first intense and serious relationship happened at 36 years and I got married at 38 years (with another lady), all after age 35 though.

Understood. Fair enough. My age numbers above are rough. But I just wanted to make a general point.

 

[sangheilios]

January, being Holocaust rememberance month, inspired me to look at some old war footage of Nazis executing white Slavic races as they invaded Russia, that they deemed to be inferior, likely using the same logic that you presented here. That is a very dangerous statement.

That's not really what I meant by that. Western civilization is unique in that it's literally the only one to have gone through social revolutions related to liberty, human rights, etc. and actually maintained it. This is something that started centuries ago and truly began during European colonization of the new world, the enlightenment period and the American revolution, etc. The west went through authoritarianism, in the form of feudalism and monarchies, and over time replaced them. What we take for granted in the west are things that are virtually unheard of throughout the rest of the world and it's history.

Some places have attempted this but failed in their endeavor. The Russian revolution is a good example of this. The Russian empire was an authoritarian monarchy that had never been challenged and the general population was still living in serfdom well past what we saw in west, we are talking up until WW1. They eventually toppled the czars but ended up replacing it with just another authoritarian government that kept them in more or less the same position, with that power being the communist party. Then the Soviet Union collapses about 30 years ago and then replaces it with a pseudo dictatorship.

Another great example is China. Literally the same thing where they are dominated by authoritarian governments, then foreign powers (mongols, Europeans, etc.). Then they have a brief period of self rule in the early 20th century before being invaded and broadly occupied by Japan. After the defeat of Japan in WW2, the communist party takes over and has been for close to 80 years now.

The middle east and North Africa is another example we can use. Dominated by the Ottoman empire and later European powers. Then after WW2 when colonialism ends these countries are ruled by dictatorships.

You can go through literally every non western society and this is the repetitive trend.