How To Beat The Internet Dating Dudes

[SW15]

its like once girls know u use the internet to find partners, they will always hold it against you in some subtle way. u will never be seen as a catch like the men from her real life, you will always be 'proving' yourself to her. the girls are also more likely to have personality issues, be lower smv etc

These days, a lot of longer term couples exist from Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, OkCupid, Plenty of Fish, and Match.

In these relationships, I think you're right that the woman subtly knows that she's higher value than the man. The man had to resort to an internet website or a swipe app to get her. That might be more of a thing in the older couples formed from 10-15 years ago on the older platforms than in newer relationships, but I think it's still a thing in LTRs formed 2-7 years ago on swipe apps.

the girls i met in real life from bars and day approach have been significantly hotter and higher value than any girl i have met online.

they were also higher interest, and held interest in me for longer, put more effort into chasing me, sh!t tested less, and saw me as alpha rather than a beta provider, and were more feminine.

this isnt just a random observation. its a real trend. the hotter, younger and better women have been from approaches and the worst ones have been from online

Alpha males don't have to go on swipe apps to meet women BUT alphas these days have it easier on swipe apps than they might in real life. If you're a 90th percentile male or higher, you can sit at home in your underwear, swipe, and get more matches/conversations than you could even get in real life. There are certain efficiencies for the top tier from the swipe apps.

For most men on swipe apps, they are resorting to swipe apps because they aren't meeting enough women in the real world, not for the greater efficiencies.

While a top guy can bang more 5-6.5 women online than he could in real life with less effort, a guy who is in the 8-9 range who wants an actual relationship with a woman in the 8-9 range is still better off doing real life approaches.

It was actually pretty good back in 2002 compared to today. I could more easily get dates with 7's then (who looked like their pics). Obviously I'm 20 years older but conversely, I get more IOI's walking around today (due to having game and a better vibe) than I did back then.

That being said, if I had game back then I wouldn't have resorted to online due to the low number of women using it. But it was considerably easier back then to get a 7+ woman's attention if she happened to be online dating.

In 2002, a lot of 7's and 7+ women weren't online. They were mostly at the bars. Non-bar approaching was a niche activity then as it is now.

In 2002, I was 19 and in college. My options were meeting women on campus or at off campus apartment parties. The off campus apartment parties resembled night game at bars specifically because of the way I did it. In many cases, private residence parties are social circle game. In college, there are random people showing up to random apartments that are known to be bigger party complexes and just socializing and doing approaches. I did more random approaching at off campus parties than random approaching in the dining hall, walking on campus, or in extracurricular activities. It would have been better if I had focused more on the non-off campus party approaching methods and done more daygame type stuff on campus. It wouldn't matter today because any romantic relationship I would have formed during college would have ceased to exist by the time I turned 25. I might have had healthier interactions though.

Why didn't you have as much game in 2002? You were already 30 then. It's good for you that doing online then was more fruitful than doing tech-assisted dating now.

In 2005, I set some dates in the DMs on MySpace and it was easier then to that than DMs now on Instagram or Twitter.

 

[Zimbabwe]

These days, a lot of longer term couples exist from Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, OkCupid, Plenty of Fish, and Match.

Maybe in terms of percentage, but if we look at total numbers it looks like less and less people are dating overall. It might just be that a large percentage if men are not getting laid at all, and the few that are, mainly do it through OLD.

 

[SW15]

Maybe in terms of percentage, but if we look at total numbers it looks like less and less people are dating overall. It might just be that a large percentage if men are not getting laid at all, and the few that are, mainly do it through OLD.

That's not that far off. We know sexless males are rising.

A few years ago, someone did a semi-exhaustive of wedding announcements on TheKnot and determined initial meeting method of the couples. There are a couple of flaws in that method but it's a decent effort.

1. The effort is dependent upon couples who bother to reveal how they met. A lot of women writing the wedding website on TheKnot or Zola won't bother to mention how they met if they feel embarrassment about it. A lot of basic White girls now are less embarrassed about mentioning that they met on Bumble or Hinge.

2. Are women using wedding websites like TheKnot or Zola representative of all marrying couples or all longer term couples? TheKnot and Zola are a good place to find out if some middle class or higher, like BA/BS degree + having woman is getting married or has gotten married recently.

Then, there is this which I have posted many times.

 

[Zimbabwe]

That's not that far off. We know sexless males are rising.

A few years ago, someone did a semi-exhaustive of wedding announcements on TheKnot and determined initial meeting method of the couples. There are a couple of flaws in that method but it's a decent effort.

1. The effort is dependent upon couples who bother to reveal how they met. A lot of women writing the wedding website on TheKnot or Zola won't bother to mention how they met if they feel embarrassment about it. A lot of basic White girls now are less embarrassed about mentioning that they met on Bumble or Hinge.

2. Are women using wedding websites like TheKnot or Zola representative of all marrying couples or all longer term couples? TheKnot and Zola are a good place to find out if some middle class or higher, like BA/BS degree + having woman is getting married or has gotten married recently.

Then, there is this which I have posted many times.

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Because if originally 40% are meeting online and then 60% are meeting online that's taking 20% out from other possibilities that would have occurred without the ability to meet online. But I may be misinterpreting a flaw with this type of presentation, I just think if one increases than another must decrease because it's take 1 possible percent to another type of meet. So it may have stayed the same if online dating held constant.

Work being a particularly bad (and limited) option due to how bad HR is, it makes sense for it to take a huge dive when online dating becomes popular. The coworker timeline plummeted because of ridiculous sexual harassment laws. Can't fvcking talk to a coworker about anything unrelated to work without worrying losing your job.

I think a great way to take this data would be to try to meet women the way the least people are doing it.

 

[SW15]

I don't do Internet Dating for one simple reason. How the hell are you going to explain that to your friends and family that you meet a girl on the internet and still look respectable?

This guy wrote this in September 2000. How times change! So many people now have told their friends and family that they met someone on the internet, a social media platform, and a swipe app.

My point was you STILL have an ADVANTAGE in person.

I still think you have an advantage in person in 2023 because of what @LARaiders85 said earlier today. While online is all looks, personality and vibe can make more of a difference in the initial approach in the real world. You still need some looks to close the deal with in-person approaches.

There are ways to mitigate cons of approach strangers too.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There are ways to mitigate cons of approach strangers too.

The plain white T with the d1ck drawn with a black sharpie works well to screen out the timewasters.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Women do almost everything based on how they feel at a particular moment.

A guy writing to them on a dating site isn't go create the strong emotions that you can when you're right there with them

One thing you can do is use voice memo. It’s been good.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Think this might have set a record. Someone must have a lot of free time on their hands to be finding and then trying to revive 23 year old posts.