Jesse Pinkman's approach/field reports thread.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Alright dudes, so a rough day for me today. I actually hear news from the company I was supposed to start at in November that my job offer has been pulled due to the conditions of the market. In other words, I am back in serious job hunt mode and have practically till end of year to find an offer. Ideally, I need one by November so I can prove some income and pay statements to the future apartment I hunt for. If that gut punch wasn't enough, the girl from the date texted me yesterday saying it is not going anywhere since I didn't pay for her coffee.

I have had coffee dates go well in the past but this one was just something else.

I accept the rough week but at the same time, if I don't fap today, tomorrow will be day 4 or nofap for me and then Friday ideally day 5. However, it is set to rain all week in Miami which means the bar I love going to with a great outdoor marina vibe to it will likely not have a lot of people in it. F-ck this week so far.

Rain just ruins life in Miami big time since it is an outdoors city with a god awful indoors bar scene.

 

[SW15]

I actually hear news from the company I was supposed to start at in November that my job offer has been pulled due to the conditions of the market. In other words, I am back in serious job hunt mode and have practically till end of year to find an offer.

That's bad man. You're in a tough spot. I've been there. I've been there twice. I graduated from my MBA program in the 2007-08 school year. My graduation date was mere months before the shiit hit the fan with Lehman Brothers in September 2008. The Classes of 2008 and 2009 were probably the worst years to graduate from either college or an advanced level degree since the 1930s.

Things were getting bad in the employment market as far back as Fall 2007. In Fall 2007, I was experiencing prospective employer ghosting before there was even a commonly accepted term for that. The one thing I must clarify here is that the recruiting/hiring of new MBAs is different from regular job openings. When big companies hire MBAs, they often plan their new MBA hires a year in advance. If you're interviewing in Fall 2007, you're interviewing for openings that are starting in May-June 2008. I saw a lot of my MBA classmates getting ghosted or having prospective employers telling them about hiring freezes during Fall 2007-Spring 2008.

Graduating into the 2008 mess was a very dark period of my life. That was an awful job search. I ended up taking an offer well below what a new MBA should make. The late 2000s-early 2010s was a great time for employers as they could pick up a lot of good talent for a fraction of regular market price.

Later in my career, I was one of the first layoffs when the pandemic hit in Spring 2020. My 2020 job search was also stressful.

Earlier in this thread, I shared Roosh's definitive guide to getting laid while unemployed written in 2011, in the aftermath of the worst recession since World War II. No seducer, past or present, ever wrote an article about getting laid while unemployed.

Getting Laid While Unemployed And Living In Your Dad’s Basement

Here's the thing that no one tells you about the relationship between your job and your woman life. It's very difficult to de-couple those two things. I found it difficult to seduce women and retain relationships in both the periods I described above. While I was less red pill in 2008 than today, I wasn't a completely pathetic blue pill simp in 2008 either. I was at least purple pill and had read about game and seduction by then.

A lot of men's SMV is tied up in their incomes and/or net worth. If you're unemployed as a man, you need a net worth in the millions to compensate for SMV perception hit. A situation like @Jesse Pinkman's is foreign to most women in their 20s/30s who have bachelor's degrees or higher. Most women don't understand how to evaluate attraction for a man who is jobless, not rich, but not necessarily at risk of being immediately homeless. It's too much work for them. When someone has to do too much mental work, they don't do it. Also, women experience preferential treatment in hiring processes so if they are ever unemployed (rare), they get new jobs fast. It's worth pointing that in white collar layoffs, companies do everything they can do retain their female and minority workers. If you're a minority female, you have to be really inept to get laid off, even when a company is doing poorly and macroeconomic conditions stink. White females are also in pretty good standing. White males are first to get laid off when companies are in poor shape. Female solipsism never takes any of this into account.

If that gut punch wasn't enough, the girl from the date texted me yesterday saying it is not going anywhere since I didn't pay for her coffee.

Even if you were employed, she would have taken off anyway. Women have it great with the dating freebies. If you don't pay for her dates, someone else will. There are so many beta males out there willing to pay for dates that women expect it unless you are super good looking and have the right attitude. Even if you pay for her dating costs, it's considered a bare minimum. Women can get freebies online easily. There are simps everywhere online. While many women get freebies on OnlyFans for doing what they enjoy (showing off their bodies and getting attention/validation), a woman doesn't even have to take off her clothes online to make money online. Women tell sob stories on GoFundMe and get some freebies that way too, both from men and other women.

If you want to date, you need to pay for dates, both your own costs and her costs. Women have engineered a good system where they get to earn money yet get all their dates for free. That's awesome.

If you're broke but 6'0"+ with a tan and a six pack, you might be able to get away with not paying for dates. If you're a tattooed dirtbag deadbeat working a manual labor job at best and dating non-college educated women like retail cashiers, you also might be able to get away with not covering the whole cost of dates.

if I don't fap today, tomorrow will be day 4 or nofap for me and then Friday ideally day 5. However, it is set to rain all week in Miami which means the bar I love going to with a great outdoor marina vibe to it will likely not have a lot of people in it. F-ck this week so far.

Rain just ruins life in Miami big time since it is an outdoors city with a god awful indoors bar scene.

Keep nofap and no porn going. Would you do some indoor approaching in a mall, grocery store, or bookstore if it is raining outdoors?

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

So some takeaways for me from the field report and today's approaching.

1. Need to work on a better script. Got the opening down right but convos need a better flow.

2. Need to sound less nervous and more confident (no fap will help I believe).

3. Need to close more in situations that go sideways, especially on a two-set.

4. Will try to have a framework down for two-sets and grocery store approaches.

I know no fap is your thing, but not masturbating isn't the answer to sounding less nervous and bein more confident. You need to face your fears as much as you can. Sounds like you approach women so just keep impressing yourself every chance you get while living slightly outside the edge of your comfort zone in anything you do.

It's cool to have a general plan, but specific scripts are detrimental because they hinder conversational flow. The only plan or script you should have is to turn her on. So if you are bold, confident, straightforward, self assured, you are more likely to do that.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

So I have had better luck getting laid during unemployment than when employed. At this point, I have realized that my attitude is everything and had 2 excellent interviews this morning. I am going to keep my head up although it is very possible that if I do not get a job by October, I am looking at moving back home and taking a big break in my life. To a degree, given the h3ll I went through the past few years at work and the burnout I had to deal with, I do not mind an extra break.

It's been a healthy unemployment for me and I feel so much better mentally than I did during my stay at my last company. I am going to keep pursuing the opportunities that come up and be at it daily, it's been a bit of a beatdown for sure but I am confident that I will make it through somehow. The news was not easy and has thrown a wrench into a lot of things. However, I do not want to rush into a crappy job situation either.

Also, I broke my day 3 obstacle of NoFap.

I am currently on day 4 and tomorrow can be day 5 if all goes well so I should be hitting the game with full energy @SW15

 

[SW15]

I am currently on day 4 and tomorrow can be day 5 if all goes well so I should be hitting the game with full energy @SW15

Keep nofap going! It will be the best thing for your attraction-seduction efforts.

So I have had better luck getting laid during unemployment than when employed.

That's a bit atypical but I can see how that is possible. Typically that happens under one or more of the following conditions....

• A job takes up way too many hours and doesn't allow for enough time to arrange dates
• A job is so toxic despite being something like 40-45 hours a week that it drains all of your energy, not giving you the motivation to go seduce
• In your time off, you have enough money saved up so that you can take time to either swipe and text an inordinate amount or you can devote a lot of time to approaching in real life

I have realized that my attitude is everything and had 2 excellent interviews this morning. I am going to keep my head up although it is very possible that if I do not get a job by October, I am looking at moving back home and taking a big break in my life. To a degree, given the h3ll I went through the past few years at work and the burnout I had to deal with, I do not mind an extra break.

It's been a healthy unemployment for me and I feel so much better mentally than I did during my stay at my last company. I am going to keep pursuing the opportunities that come up and be at it daily, it's been a bit of a beatdown for sure but I am confident that I will make it through somehow. The news was not easy and has thrown a wrench into a lot of things. However, I do not want to rush into a crappy job situation either.

A lot of unemployed people or employed people in a bad situation make a job change that is either rushed or poorly conceived.

Being 29/30 years old and living with your parents is not ideal for attraction-seduction, even if your parents are cool with you bringing home women for sex. Roosh was able to get laid while living in his dad's basement from that 2011 article. You need really good game for that to happen.

During my stints of unemployment, I had difficulty implementing the suggested tactics for getting laid while unemployed.

In my last 2 stints of unemployment, I felt better being unemployed than employed in a bad situation. In one of those situations about a decade ago, I spent more reading Manosphere/PUA content than looking for a job. I got a job in part because I was relaxed and confident.

It is super difficult for men to separate their work lives and their woman lives. It is easier to attract-seduce when you have a job and have a job that isn't toxic and pays somewhat close to the level one should make with some higher education degree or degrees.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

A lot of unemployed people or employed people in a bad situation make a job change that is either rushed or poorly conceived.

Yes, I made this mistake last year, got into bad credit card debt, and turned my Fico score from a 800 to a 605. We are both in sales and SW15 brought up a good point that there are a lot bullshvt sales jobs lol. I didn't have the option of moving back to my parents, but I did have 20k in savings when I took the risk.

It's been a healthy unemployment for me and I feel so much better mentally than I did during my stay at my last company. I am going to keep pursuing the opportunities that come up and be at it daily, it's been a bit of a beatdown for sure but I am confident that I will make it through somehow. The news was not easy and has thrown a wrench into a lot of things. However, I do not want to rush into a crappy job situation either.

You basically have til October because companies basically shut down from November to mid January because of the holidays.

If that gut punch wasn't enough, the girl from the date texted me yesterday saying it is not going anywhere since I didn't pay for her coffee.

I agree this is petty, but why didn't you pay for her coffee lol? It's literally 6-10 bucks lol.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Instead of replying to @SW15 and @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 one by one, I am going to just make a huge update which lightly addresses both of your points.

First thing though, I am on Day 4 now of NoFap and I started to feel energized from the time I woke up. Hard to pinpoint what it was but for the two interviews today and found myself being naturally confident. Maybe I am delusional but for some reason, I just sounded a lot more clear and composed. One of the ones the manager outright said "usually I nitpick things where people can improve but its tough to do that here, great work man!". Told me about next steps off the bat and said he can get me with the VP tomorrow so there's that.

I also sat at my apartment lobby doing work and saw this cute Latina with a nice ass walk by and could not help but peek, almost felt a bit of a hard on from it lol. Not often that happens to me, usually, I need porn to get hard or my fantasies. It was only a one off though so let's see how things go in the coming days.

I wonder if it is NoFap or what. Only downside is that I ate like a MOFO today and am at 188 lbs (want to be at 170) but it could be due to the weather.

As for your individual points.

@SW15

Yeah I am being picky in the jobs I do pick. Have a few companies I would really love to get into. Playing it by the time, if I do not have anything by November then desperation is going to be the answer. Really, at the latest I need a job by Mid-November or even early November so I can show two pay-stubs which make a case for my new apartment.

I have gotten laid when unemployed because my work environments started off as extremely toxic, the kind of stuff @LARaiders85 was dealing with I often dealt with on a regular basis.

However, if I have to move back in with family then game will not be a priority at all until I can get on my feet.

@Jake_Gyllenhaal69

I offered when she was struggling to pay but she turned me down. In hindsight I should have been more proactive with it but it was gonna be a rejection nonetheless.

 

[SW15]

A lot of unemployed people or employed people in a bad situation make a job change that is either rushed or poorly conceived.

Yes, I made this mistake last year.....I didn't have the option of moving back to my parents

I don't have that option of returning to the nest now either. The nest doesn't exist. I'm 39 years old. My parents are not together and haven't been since I was 15. I've known more of my life with my parents not together than together. Going to mom's house to live would be nightmarish at this point in my life. Even when I was unemployed in the early parts of the pandemic, I did think about the possibility of moving home but realized that there was no way it was feasible. I would have to be on the verge of homelessness to go home.

My mom was supportive during my 2020 unemployment stint, which I appreciated.

You basically have til October because companies basically shut down from November to mid January because of the holidays.

This has been my experience in all of my post bachelor's degree job searches.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The thing about not having a safety nest is that you fight harder than anything. I notice this mentally too, when you do not have that safety nest you try harder and are far more driven. For me, that is what has led to me being successful in mostly anything I have done in life. I think there is an old story about a Spanish conquistador that cut the rope from the boats so his soldiers could no longer have that safety of going back to Spain.

As for my job hunt, I am holding out hope. I have heard of people getting offers in November and December although it slows down but I want to have one by October or I am in some hot water.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I offered when she was struggling to pay but she turned me down. In hindsight I should have been more proactive with it but it was gonna be a rejection nonetheless.

screw her then lol, she just wants to gas light you lol

I don't have that option of returning to the nest now either. The nest doesn't exist. I'm 39 years old. My parents are not together and haven't been since I was 15. I've known more of my life with my parents not together than together. Going to mom's house to live would be nightmarish at this point in my life. Even when I was unemployed in the early parts of the pandemic, I did think about the possibility of moving home but realized that there was no way it was feasible. I would have to be on the verge of homelessness to go home.

My mom was supportive during my 2020 unemployment stint, which I appreciated.

My parents divorced when I was in elementary school and my dad remarried to my current stepmom whom I had issues living with. They had a kid my senior year of high school and the wind was basically saying GTFO at 18 lol. My mom has mental health issues, so living with her was never an option either. I would rather go homeless than live with my parents too lol, but I understand other people have better living situations.

The thing about not having a safety nest is that you fight harder than anything. I notice this mentally too, when you do not have that safety nest you try harder and are far more driven. For me, that is what has led to me being successful in mostly anything I have done in life. I think there is an old story about a Spanish conquistador that cut the rope from the boats so his soldiers could no longer have that safety of going back to Spain.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Cortez did that because he was on a suicide mission and couldn't return back to Cuba for disobeying his orders lol. If it wasn't for smallpox, then Cortez would've most likely failed and died on one of those aztec sacrifice pyramids.

 

[SW15]

My parents divorced when I was in elementary school and my dad remarried to my current stepmom whom I had issues living with. They had a kid my senior year of high school and the wind was basically saying GTFO at 18 lol. My mom has mental health issues, so living with her was never an option either. I would rather go homeless than live with my parents too lol, but I understand other people have better living situations.

My mom is remaried too. I was an adult and out on my own by the time it happened. I wouldn't want to live there given his presence. He wouldn't want me there either. The only way in which I'd end up living at my mom's home is if it were a choice between that and homelessness.

Living with parents is more acceptable between 22-29 than after 30.

There are single men in their 40s and 50s who eventually have a parent move in with them due to being elderly and unable to take care of themselves. It has a different feel than a 30 year old guy going to live with his parents due to employment issues. Most 40s/50s childless single men aren't going to take care of an elderly parent though. In most families with a childless single man 40+, the elderly parent chooses to live with a married sibling of the childless 40+ single man due to greater perceived stability.

If you're a guy between early 20s-early 40s and you find yourself needing to live at home due to economic necessity, it's going to mess up your SMV and sex life. Living at home for women has no affect on their sex or relationship lives. A late 20s/early 30s woman living with her parents will have an active romantic life if she looks good enough. In thinking about 25-34 year olds who have lived at home out of economic necessity, I knew more men than women who did that.

The oldest Millennials are turning 40 now. A lot of the oldest Millennials (think 1981/82-1986 birth years) have had to live with their parents during their 20s or even early 30s due to economic necessity. I knew some older Millennials living at home during the late 2000s/early 2010s when the economy was in bad shape.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

So I am on Day 5 of NoFap, officially. Let's see how tonight goes but the one thing I have noticed in yesterday and today is just the surge of energy in general! Had one killer interview today and got the call with a VP later on today. This day could have a lot of potential.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yeah, I am lucky to somewhat have a home to go back to in case stuff really hits the fans but I realize that as I get older, that will no longer be the case. The big thing with me is that I think at some point I need to buy property outright or at least find a long-term landing pad because applying for apartments is no joke. They want proof of income and all of that stuff. Meanwhile, if you have a house that is paid off you can be unemployed and still have a roof over your head. I was an idiot that invested into Crypto and am now paying the price for it big-time.

The worst part of being unemployed is the healthcare. COBRA is so expensive so if anything happens to me physically, I am so screwed with the way healthcare works in the US.

As for today and how I feel with NoFap, I feel productive but not horny.

It is like I am working out and doing those things but I am not feeling that horniness to me. I am also likely gonna solo tonight as well going out because I cannot seem to find a good nightgame wing ever since my only good one moved away. The pickup group I am a part of is just awful and full of weird and scammy dudes so not gonna find a wing from that. All of this stuff is showing me why so many quit game and burnout from it so bad.

For tonight, I guess my main thing is going to be how well I can lead girls and gain compliance, even if it is walking them from one end of the bar to the other.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Im day 6 on no fap, the urge to want to bang just hit me. I’m supposed to see my girl tomorrow but she’s been playing games so I’m not too confident lol. This girl also asked me out for this weekend but it’s a first date ordeal.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

The worst part of being unemployed is the healthcare. COBRA is so expensive so if anything happens to me physically, I am so screwed with the way healthcare works in the US.

Off subject, but why do you think they named it after a snake? (Yes, it's an acronym but they could've chosen something else). Meanwhile, the caduceus symbol they all use has two snakes impersonating dna. Lolz.

 

[SW15]

The worst part of being unemployed is the healthcare. COBRA is so expensive so if anything happens to me physically, I am so screwed with the way healthcare works in the US.

I don't perceive any reason to do COBRA since the Affordable Care Act got passed. Can't you get some government healthcare?

I am lucky to somewhat have a home to go back to in case stuff really hits the fans but I realize that as I get older, that will no longer be the case. The big thing with me is that I think at some point I need to buy property outright or at least find a long-term landing pad because applying for apartments is no joke. They want proof of income and all of that stuff. Meanwhile, if you have a house that is paid off you can be unemployed and still have a roof over your head.

Apartments don't check out whether you are unemployed if you keep renewing your lease.

The difference between being a renter or a homeowner is which jagoff gets your money. If you're a renter, it's a landlord. If you're a homeowner, it's a bank or some other lender. The landlord fixes your toilet or sink when it breaks.

Many women don't care whether you are a renter or a homeowner. I've attrated and seduced women renting a variety of one bedroom apartments. Some homeowning women might judge a male renter, but you probably don't want those women anyway.

In certain cities, a newer apartment will help you get laid more easily than an older one. I would say that Miami is one of those cities. Women in the Sun Belt region tend to favor newer properties.

I am also likely gonna solo tonight as well going out because I cannot seem to find a good nightgame wing ever since my only good one moved away. The pickup group I am a part of is just awful and full of weird and scammy dudes so not gonna find a wing from that. All of this stuff is showing me why so many quit game and burnout from it so bad.

I've known men who have quit gaming and stayed in mediocre to subpar relationships because they didn't have a good wing to go to bars with or didn't have the courage to do non-bar approaching. You have the courage to approach women on the street. That's better than most men.

Rolling solo to bars isn't as big of a deal as many men think that is. Lead strong! You are in a good position with having done nofap.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Thank you @SW15

Guys, I almost want to get a thread started at some point or maybe one of you could start it in the future called the good vibes going out thread. I feel like there is so much negativity to read online and get into that I think if we could start a thread where we shared a positive vibe videos which were more conductive to getting into a more methodical or positive state going out, that could help a lot of us who go out solo. It's not even motivational stuff but even some advice stuff from experts or a good infield some of us could work in.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I renewed my lease while unemployed/making half of what I made when I signed up. I prayed they didn’t ask for proof of income lol.

I was without healthcare from May 2021 to around February 2022. I’m a healthy male and I didn’t partake in risky activities aside from the gym. I quit lifting to bulk muscle a long time ago so no risk in that.

Yeah I’ll probably create a topic on house ownership but as a single man with no kids or marriage within sight, it makes no sense for me.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I renewed my lease while unemployed/making half of what I made when I signed up. I prayed they didn’t ask for proof of income lol.

I was without healthcare from May 2021 to around February 2022. I’m a healthy male and I didn’t partake in risky activities aside from the gym. I quit lifting to bulk muscle a long time ago so no risk in that.

Yeah I’ll probably create a topic on house ownership but as a single man with no kids or marriage within sight, it makes no sense for me.

Apparently the Real Estate market is about to crash hard so there's that.

Keeping it relevant to the thread, I don't even want to go out tonight. The freaking weather has been drizzling and depressing all week. No wing or anything despite my boy @SW15 lifting me up. You know, **** it, I am going to go out. At least 5 approaches and see if I can at least try to move and seed a pull. If more then let's be it. As much as every fiber of my body wants to stay in and just watch Netflix or just sleep early to daygame tomorrow, I promised myself 3 days a week at the very least.

Wish me luck bros, I don't have much high hopes for tonight.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

September 16th

Where do I even begin. Tonight ended a lot quicker than it even started and maybe it's all on me, maybe it is not. Man, I swear nothing is going my way this week because get 3 emails before heading out telling me they had rejected my application and all of this after I get told that the job I was supposed to start in November had pulled my offer. I mean what in the actual heck man....

So I head out and wow, shocked myself, the bar that is usually packed was super empty for the most part. Now this is an outdoors bar and it has been raining all week but the forecast was clear for today. I go and its abnormally empty compared to most weeks.

I approach a blonde 2 set which were wearing the same colors as me, one was receptive and the other was not.

I approach a blonde and a brunette as an angry girl walks past me, they did not seem interested. I commented on the angry girl that had walked past as my opener, perhaps a foolish move.

Meanwhile I stand around and hear this total bro have an awful set to where even the girls get bored and leave him.

I then approach a 3 set commenting on the vibe of the bar, one is receptive. It is going alright and then they mention anxiety and hear this, I say "oh if I am giving yall anxiety I'll leave yall to be". They say not at all and then say it was a convo they were having and I excuse myself from the set.

I approach a two set sitting down saying I can take their pics since they were taking selfies together and they smile, laugh, and say no. I then move on but should have stuck in there.

Ordered a couple drinks too, bartender gave me one free.

I wasn't feeling it guys. Day 5 no fap and I was not feeling it. However, I screwed up royally and this is on me.

Go figure, a month or so ago it was the miserable job and now it is the miserable job hunt.

Dude, what if 2022 maybe isn't my year?

I am not myself right now at all and felt like this week has really beaten up and beaten a lot out of me. Nothing is going my way.