@SW15 my friend, they are actually worse simps lol. White collar guys usually turn in to simps when they get married and start giving out that defeated husband within vibe in 2-5 years. We are just pickier about who we settle down with initially. Some of the worst simps I saw were in the factories or my blue collar/military friends spending every hard-earned Overtime penny on their 304 girls that cheats on them while they are at work lol. These tough blue-collar guys are basically the human versions of Pit Bulls. Tough and aggressive on the outside, but a complete loyal simp to his master. My first job after college was in Supply Chain in a factory and I witnessed it lol. Plus, I saw all of those rough neck oil guys making 100k straight out of HS lose all of their money buying their Crystal Gf's luxury items while she cheated on him with Brad when he was out on the field lol. Last, the blue-collar guys get more girls because they have more girls to go after plain and simple. The blue-collar guy can flaunt game at Crystal at the Mcdonalds register or his HS social circle network since he never left his hometown while the white collar guy has to rely off dating apps or a new social circle in his new city he just moved to.
I learned something with this post. I thought simping was worse with white collar men than blue collar men. To me, white collar men seem like bigger pansies than blue collar men. In blue collar work environments, you can talk about fuccking women out in the open. Try that in white collar. The feminist HR Commissar will be paying you a visit quickly.
There's nothing stopping a white collar guy from hitting on a woman working at a McDonald's or Wendy's cash register. I would say that most white collar guys are too big of pansies to do that, either indoors or through the drive thru.
A lot of social circle game comes down to geographical constancy. A lot of blue collar men have social circles with low wage service sector women in it. Both the men and the women in those social circles went to K-12 together and then stayed in the same small-ish town to mid-size cities. The men who went to college often went to a college not in the same area as K-12 and then after college went to a different state. There's a case to me that the relocations weaken social circles. My multiple childhood and adulthood relocations absolutely destroyed my chances of a social circle. Transplanted adults in big cities often form social circles with other transplanted adults, and those circles are generally weaker. I'm 39 now and have been in the same city since age 28. I found friends in my current city, but never a viable social circle for arranging dates though certain men in my social circle got girlfriends/wives from the well of the circle. If you talked to those men in my friendship orbit, they'd call the social circle viable, but I wouldn't. They got their one LTR and have retired for the moment, but wait until a divorce happens.
This is the reason why I recommend men building social circles to meet women.
Try to engage with and get the woman to develop feelings for you and demonstrate your value BEFORE asking her out on a date.
My personal experiences have always been way superior when the interaction is more 'natural' ie me and the woman are there for any other reason than dating/finding a partner and often it is some kind of social circle, activity, work etc.
Look for ways that you can get the woman to develop feelings, attraction and storyline BEFORE asking for anything (date, number etc).
In thinking about my experiences with social circle, approaching strangers, and using dating website/swipe apps, I think social circle is best for the middle tier men. Think the 35th to 75th percentile of men. It's also better for LTRs and possibly LTRs leading to marriage. Social circles do tend to get pissed if you trade out women every 2 years over a 10 year period. In fact, the social circle will likely cut you off after the 2nd time you do this.
As I mentioned above, a lot of social circle comes down to geographical constancy and parents keeping a male in the same area in the K-12 years. I've know a few beta males who have wives mostly due to their social circle of lifelong geographical constancy. These men are close to our ages
@kavi.
Regular relocations tend to weaken social circles and at a certain point in adulthood, building a social circle isn't all that feasible.
Dating sucks.
Going on a 'Date' with a woman you dont know very well just sucks and in a way demonstrates low-value for both parties. In a dating situation both parties are communicating "I need to find a partner so that is why I am here". This subtle undertone causes women to find ways to 'get something' out of to compensate for the negative feeling of actually being in the dating 'market'. Women (and men) are very guarded in a dating environment, OLD, Speeddating, going on dates etc cos without FEELINGS and EMOTIONS and STORYLINE already developed it just becomes about ego, rejection, winning etc.
I think even cold-approach is better than a 'cold-date' cos in a single cold-approach you can blow a girl away and affect her feelings and emotions in a way you cannot in a cold-date. The 'dating' aspect then becomes much easier if she already has feelings and sees this as something she wants to continue, and it is no longer about the venue or money spent.
I agree that dating sucks. Dating and relational trauma was one reason that I was in therapy for multiple years. Your phrase of "low value for both parties" was so well said.
I think what you said about approaching stangers is more relevant in non-bar venues than at the bars. By showing up at a bar, you are a communicating a single status and a need to find a mating partner. That is lower status than meeting randomly at a grocery store or park as an example of a non-bar venue. Any stranger approach scenario is better than any swipe app or social media DM scenario.
It's just best not to go on a first date, dinner date with someone from a swipe app, social media DM, or random stranger approach. You might be able to get away with dinner from a strongly vetted social circle introduction. I'd say less so from a weak social circle setting such as a co-ed sports league.
there’s was another one that was half Norwegian but she was a huge sjw
