Planning an overseas ascension junket

[MatureDJ]

Yeah, go abroad and have a blast! Take plenty of selfies. Going to Amsterdam or some place like that? Its famous for their bike trails. People tend to bike there rather than use the car.

Make this your first stop:



I've probably been in every room along this alley.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

And why would you call “game” a useless diversion?

People fall into the trap of "studying" game instead of actually talking to people.

The only way to get better is to simply have fun and talk to people.

I was referring to any interaction with a girl with the intent of sleeping with her,

Every girl is different. The only way is to get experience. Start talking to ANYBODY every day and build your general communication skills.

In my experience, the easiest environment was hanging out with foreigners who are traveling in American hostels.

Get out and interact people and have fun.

Forget about interacting with others for any specific purpose until you have a few notches.

That is all I'll say on this matter.

 

[20Humble5050]

Make this your first stop:

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I've probably been in every room along this alley.

Naah, I’ve made myself a promise to do one thousand approaches. If I complete every single one of them and am still a virgin (or I haven’t yet finished by the year 2030) only then will I consider visiting an escort.

 

[MatureDJ]

Naah, I’ve made myself a promise to do one thousand approaches. If I complete every single one of them and am still a virgin (or I haven’t yet finished by the year 2030) only then will I consider visiting an escort.

Are you also going to no-fap?

 

[20Humble5050]

Get out and interact people and have fun.

It’s Friday night where I live, and I will try to make this one of the last days in which I have nothing better to do than discussing theory online during prime gaming time. Either I have another valid reason to stay inside or, if I have nothing better to do, will be out running game. I would like to do at least one approach tomorrow and will write a field report here if I do.

 

[20Humble5050]

Are you also going to no-fap?

I certainly can’t promise I’ll succeed but that is my intention already and I’m currently on day 2.

 

[corrector]

Naah, I’ve made myself a promise to do one thousand approaches. If I complete every single one of them and am still a virgin (or I haven’t yet finished by the year 2030) only then will I consider visiting an escort.

You are approaching 1000 women to earn the right to spend your own money to visit an escort. Subconciously you might want them to reject you so you can experience p4p.

 

[20Humble5050]

You are approaching 1000 women to earn the right to spend your own money to visit an escort. Subconciously you might want them to reject you so you can experience p4p.

I'm not sure what is motivating you to imply that I should give up, but I absolutely want to ascend with a genuinely attracted girl - and to sleep with ten other girls after that, before committing to an LTR, to make up for lost time. The 1,000 approach promise is something that I made to some random person on the Internet when I wasn't thinking straight. I hardly ever promise anyone anything, because I am a pathological truth-teller and pride myself on never lying, but that time I slipped up, and going back on it would violate my own No-Lying Policy.

 

[corrector]

I'm not sure what is motivating you to imply that I should give up, but I absolutely want to ascend with a genuinely attracted girl - and to sleep with ten other girls after that, before committing to an LTR, to make up for lost time. The 1,000 approach promise is something that I made to some random person on the Internet when I wasn't thinking straight. I hardly ever promise anyone anything, because I am a pathological truth-teller and pride myself on never lying, but that time I slipped up, and going back on it would violate my own No-Lying Policy.

Promises evolve as you age, experience the world so its not really lying. You admitted you are a 4.5/10 and that sounds like you are torturing yourself. Look at @SW15. He looks 2-3 points better than you and had to go to therapy for PTSD on cold approaches. So you should not bind yourself if it will wreck your ego and mind.

 

[20Humble5050]

Promises evolve as you age, experience the world so its not really lying. You admitted you are a 4.5/10 and that sounds like you are torturing yourself. Look at @SW15. He looks 2-3 points better than you and had to go to therapy for PTSD on cold approaches. So you should not bind yourself if it will wreck your ego and mind.

I’m not torturing myself because this is what I genuinely want to do in spite of any promises. It is not like I am raring to just visit a hooker and get it over with, nor do I derive no enjoyment from running game and striving for real attraction-based sex. Either I’m underrating myself or looks don’t matter as much as you think they do because I have now gotten signals of interest from girls that could have led to something if I was on the ball at the time, and I’m not too concerned about PTSD considering that out of 38 approaches so far, the only girls that rejected me badly and called me a creep were three that I DIDN’T even approach and who misinterpreted my casual conversation as an attempt to hit on them.

Also, is SW15 still in my position of having not yet been able to sleep with any girl who isn't an escort, or did he actually get at least some success but still received PTSD from cold-approaching in spite of that?

 

[corrector]

I’m not torturing myself because this is what I genuinely want to do in spite of any promises. It is not like I am raring to just visit a hooker and get it over with, nor do I derive no enjoyment from running game and striving for real attraction-based sex. Either I’m underrating myself or looks don’t matter as much as you think they do because I have now gotten signals of interest from girls that could have led to something if I was on the ball at the time, and I’m not too concerned about PTSD considering that out of 38 approaches so far, the only girls that rejected me badly and called me a creep were three that I DIDN’T even approach and who misinterpreted my casual conversation as an attempt to hit on them.

Also, is SW15 still in my position of having not yet been able to sleep with any girl who isn't an escort, or did he actually get at least some success but still received PTSD from cold-approaching in spite of that?

@SW15 can speak for himself, however, I didn't mean to imply that. He said he is successful, had a limited rotation, he hates cold-approaching even as a 7/10 guy, and claims he has a notch-count higher than most guys on here. My contention is that he is 2-3 points higher than you are, and despite being successful, he still had PTSD and needed therapy for that. At the end of the day, being successful at something is not supposed to make you need therapy because the idea is to pursue happiness and peace of mind. If you are not pursuing women for happiness then what are you doing? This is not supposed to lead to therapy. Therefore, whatever rejections he did encounter along the way was serious enough to have caused trauma and undermines any success at the end of the day.

I can only imagine that for someone who is successful, and had the benefit of capitalizing on the pre-social media / re- dating-app world, and is two points higher than you in looks, and then needing therapy, makes me that you are going to go through an insane number of rejections and may not even find anything at the end of the day and have it worst than @SW15. This is why blackpill experts are suggesting that guys who say they are less than a 5/10 to not cold approach period. I'm 3/10 with under 40% bf so I know I'm would be wasting my time with spam cold-approach.

You say you got signals of interest from girls? Was that with cold approach or social circle game or something else? The blackpill advice is that warm approaching women in a social circle game is more realistic and you could get signals of interest that way. I suspect you did not do cold-approach or get a total random stranger to give you those buying signals. It's probably someone you already knew and she may know something about you that clicked with her. It doesn't mean that cold-approaching works. After all, you said you had 38 rejections...so I guess none of those gave any buying signals?

Ultimately, your thread title echoes what blackpill advice is about. Go to another country to meet women.

 

[20Humble5050]

If you are not pursuing women for happiness then what are you doing? This is not supposed to lead to therapy. Therefore, whatever rejections he did encounter along the way was serious enough to have caused trauma and undermines any success at the end of the day.

I am indeed approaching women for happiness. I'm not trying to downplay his suffering, but that's the first I've ever heard of such an occurrence and I am not worried about it happening to me at all. I have already bounced back from being called a creep three times by reminding myself that almost every girl seems happy to talk to me and is flattered that I approach, even if they reject me, and if I actually ascend I assume I'd be even less fazed by subsequent rejections. When I already have a lay under my belt, walking away from some entitled Becky who calls me a creep telling myself that I can't stand her bitchiness anyway, and can do better than that, will now be the truth and not a coping mechanism.

This is why blackpill experts are suggesting that guys who say they are less than a 5/10 to not cold approach period. I'm 3/10 with under 40% bf so I know I'm would be wasting my time with spam cold-approach.

I have indeed read all of the Blackpill rhetoric, so if I wanted to be put off the entire idea of cold-approaching, I'd have NO trouble at all talking myself out of it! I came here from the Blackpill forums to escape the negativity and learn all of the old PUA tactics IN SPITE of my seemingly insurmountable obstacles, not to be reminded of them yet again. For nearly my entire life my Aspergers' Syndrome has led me to be an outcast and I take great pride in rejecting this destiny, "acting out of character" and trying to be a slayer anyway. The Thousand Approach Plan is still a go.

You say you got signals of interest from girls? Was that with cold approach or social circle game or something else?

Three of the girls hit on me when I was at a party and had proof from friends, one of them came up to me on a bar dance floor when I was dancing all alone and not talking to any friends, and the fifth cold-approached me in a daygame setting. I had never met any of them before.

Ultimately, your thread title echoes what blackpill advice is about. Go to another country to meet women.

I do believe that America has some of the highest female standards in the world but that is not exclusive with trying to run game here anyway.

WARNING - May Contain Peak Autism:

text"> Spoiler: Approach log so far (not very well formatted since much of it is originally from Discord posts made at the time)

2016:
Girl 1: Rejected me with excuses
2017:
Girl 2: Pretended to flirt with me, then rejected me with excuses
2018:
Girl 3: Rejected me with excuses
2019:
Girl 3bis: Was so rude that I ended the conversation before asking her out.
Girl 4: Flirted with me, but then suddenly "remembered" she had a boyfriend when I pushed to make a time for the date.
Girl 4-1/2: Said she had a boyfriend even though I wasn't even hitting on her and just wanted to be friends.
Girl 5: Ignored the DM
Girl 6: Excuses (also already had a boyfriend)
Girl 7: Same as Girl 4
2020:
Girl 8: Seemed happy to flirt with me in the bar and wanted me to move closer on the seat, but didn't respond when I DMed her to meet up again on a date.
2021:
Girl 9: Same as Girl 4
Girl 9bis: Same as Girl 4-1/2
Girl 10: Actually rejected me upfront for once instead of using excuses; I admire her confidence.
Girl 11: Excuses.
Girl 12: Claimed to be busy at work on Friday and that weekend. Never responded.
Girl 13: Rejected me with excuses over a DM after I flirted with her in person earlier.
Girl 14: Nervously said she "didn't know" when I suggested a date.
Girl 15: Approached me by offering me a donut in the dining hall, but wouldn't read the Snapchat proposing a date. Finally met me again two weeks later and gave me her number. Turned out to be staying chaste for her sugar daddy down in Florida.
Girl 16: Said she was too busy studying for a test to go out on Saturday.
Girl 17: Claimed to be a lesbian. Didn't look like one; most likely Chadsexual.
Girl 18: Claimed to already have a boyfriend
2022:
Girl 19: Flirted with me at a party but did not respond to a Snapchat asking to meet up again.
Girl 20: Claimed to have a boyfriend.
Girl 21: Said she wasn't free when I snapchatted her. Obviously off to get railed by Chads instead.
Girl 22: Claimed she had a boyfriend. She gave his name on the spot without stopping to make one up when I asked so there's a tiny chance she might have been truthful.
Girl 23: Said she already had a date.
Girl 24: Said she already had a boyfriend.
Girl 25: Claimed to have other plans.
Girl 26: Said "no" to my date honestly.
Girl 27: Claimed to be a lesbian - didn't look like one.
Girl 28: The guy sitting next to her turned out to be her boyfriend and told me off.
Girl 29: The Certified Brunette Cutie that I asked out on Snapchat over a week ago, and unfriended because she didn't read my message for all that time, actually DID reply in the end just recently - she said she thought I was a nice guy, but already had a boyfriend.
Girl 30: As mentioned in my earlier post, I flirted with a Certified Brunette Cutie at a party attempting to get a kiss. It didn't work, but she complimented me on my boldness.
Girl 31: At that same party, I approached another Brunette Cutie (who was also well-endowed) and we flirted and cuddled. Her friends tried to pull her away and take her to another party, but she said she might see me for lunch someday. Sadly, this offer never materialised.
Girl 32: After using the rope swing by a river, I chatted up this petite blonde high-tier Becky in the friend group), asked her about her shirt, then told her she was cute and offered to take her to a local bar afterwards. She declined saying she was on a girl's night out, but she was flattered, and her friend group appreciated that I called her cute, so I told them they were all cute. (The other two girls were a brunette becky who wasn't a Brunette Cutie due to having a big nose and a blonde hottie with a less-than-stellar body).
Girl 33: I slid into the Instagram DMs of the blonde hottie that my friend said found me attractive and offered to take her out for drinks or something the next time she’s back in town. Unfortunately, she claimed to have a boyfriend.
Girl 34: The hot blonde clerk at the front desk claimed to be meeting her parents for dinner tonight when I offered to take her out for drinks after her shift finished, but said she might be willing another time. That is almost certainly a lie, but I will speak to her again anyway. At least she rejected me politely.
Girl 35: A blonde high-tier Becky arrived at the outdoor terrace area of my apartment complex, so I sat down at the same table as her and noticed she had lovely eyes when she smiled at me. I made the same offer of taking her out for drinks after she was done barbecuing, but she said she had plans with her friends.
Girl 36: I just snapchatted the blonde babe that I met yesterday inviting her to a bar. Still awaiting a response. She ended up flaking.
Girl 37: I noticed this blonde hottie lounging on a deck chair in my apartment’s common patio area. I did not intend to approach at first but then thought I’d be kicking myself later, so I made a bungled attempt to invite her to a bar tonight. She declined saying she had work.
Girl 38: I asked a girl how the Certified Brunette Cutie Society was doing and she was flattered. I then gave her my number, but I don't think she will add me. The other thots there with her looked at me like I was a subhuman, but for some reason, this time I forgot to give a **** about the girls' feelings and continued socialising with them regardless. I seem to have been smooth enough that I actually got on their good side by the time I left and they no longer saw me as a creep.

 

[corrector]

Three of the girls hit on me when I was at a party and had proof from friends, one of them came up to me on a bar dance floor when I was dancing all alone and not talking to any friends, and the fifth cold-approached me in a daygame setting. I had never met any of them before.

Then you don't really sound like a 4.5/10. Why would you think you are a sub-5?

You have the energy of youth and the drive to succeed. You are only 22 years old. Blackpill advice would always say that you have the best chance to succeed at your age, and if you do not do everything you possibly can now, to meet that target of approaching 1000 women, or whatever it is you are looking at, that you won't get as good as window that you have now. You are more likely to meet regular normal woman who don't have children, divorces, bad break-ups, or are otherwise jaded.

I re-checked your alias and didn't realise you are 22 years. I'm 46 years old. You still have hope not to end up like me. So go out there and approach!

 

[20Humble5050]

Then you don't really sound like a 4.5/10. Why would you think you are a sub-5?

I have never been that good at ratings. If you would like to see a picture, can I trust you not to leak it?

Edit: In response to what you added, 1,000 approaches is how many I am going to make myself do before I allow myself to give up or visit an escort, in the event that none of the approaches are successful. If I ascend before approach #1,000, the plan is finished and I don't have to complete the rest. I do, however, want to rack up a body count of at least 10 casual lays before I settle with any girl long-term.

 

[corrector]

I have never been that good at ratings. If you would like to see a picture, can I trust you not to leak it?

No, put it on photofeeler and let me know what they say. They cost about $10 US to get 40 women (ie it comes like cold approaching 40 women) to vote an opinion on how you look for a dating profile. I've tried it twice and always got like a 3.5/10 on two different photos.
The second time, the average score was 3.5, but one woman out of the forty thought I was very attractive. This tells me if I approach 40 women, 35 won't like me enough to date me, 4 might be a maybe, and 1 would be a for sure yes, just based on that feedback. (This is me with glasses and a cycling helmet on so I've masked up a bit of myself)

You are always looking for that one girl in cold-approach that is very attracted to you. The problem with photofeeler is the women who are judging my looks, I don't know if I would like the lady who rated me as very attractive since I can't see anyone (ie and if its really a lady for that matter rather than a man who signed up as a lady, etc....)?

My rating of 3/10 is really around 3.5/10 based on photos I've submitted to photofeeler. Their feedback seemed to focus allot on my demeanour rather than how I look (ie while a demeanour could be argued to be part of looks, it's something I'm not quite sure how it works. If you have the wrong demeanour would it subtract allot of points on the lookscale? Like if you don't look confident, sure of yourself, a bit sad, tired or depressed, is that something that's more impactful than your muscles and weight and height? It's something I have to wrap my head around.

It's like you need to have a fun carefree demeanour, look comfortable, authentic smile, project a positive aura, and these things can dramatically affect the way others see you despite there is no physical change in your appearance. So I'm not sure if my low scores are because of a poor demeanour, or because objectively it's my weight / looks.

 

[20Humble5050]

No, put it on photofeeler and let me know what they say. They cost about $10 US to get 40 women (ie it comes like cold approaching 40 women) to vote an opinion on how you look for a dating profile.

I don't feel like spending that money, unfortunately. It is not like a low rating would put me off following through with my plan.

 

[corrector]

I don't feel like spending that money, unfortunately. It is not like a low rating would put me off following through with my plan.

That's not the point though. You claimed your are 4.5/10. There is no objective way to come to that conclusion. You sound more like a 6/10 normie. I don't judge by photos, but what you say about how women are treating you. All I said is if you want someone to judge your photo, go on a site like that, as it's not my business to see how you look like and give an opinion. Nobody has seen my photo on here. I can't say I feel like above a 5 based on how women are treating me in general. You lose looks points as you age up or get fat.

 

[20Humble5050]

That's not the point though. You claimed your are 4.5/10. There is no objective way to come to that conclusion. You sound more like a 6/10 normie. I don't judge by photos, but what you say about how women are treating you. All I said is if you want someone to judge your photo, go on a site like that, as it's not my business to see how you look like and give an opinion. Nobody has seen my photo on here. I can't say I feel like above a 5 based on how women are treating me in general. You lose looks points as you age up or get fat.

Well, I still don't desire a crowdsourced rating enough to spend the $10, and my own rating of myself may well be too humble - the biggest proof of that will be whether or not my cold approaches actually succeed. I may post a selfie in a field report at some point in case anybody is curious as to what I look like.

 

[20Humble5050]

Go to Vegas and just buy an Escort. Its legal outside the strip. Pay a good one she will be hot.
Get the virgin thing over with and then work on yourself.

Legal hookers in Nevada are so expensive that it is actually cheaper to fly to Europe and pay for one there, let alone Southeast Asia.

 

[20Humble5050]

No they are not. Over seas air fare is more expensive. Europe is expensive and I believe escorts are illegal in most of Asia. Dont get caught in another country breaking the law.
Thats why I said vegas.

I've heard it's like $2,000 an hour compared to less than $200 in most good brothels in Europe, which would leave a lot of money for airfare. Escorts are de jure illegal in most of Asia but I have never ever heard of a John actually getting arrested in a soapland in Tokyo or Bangkok for instance.