Why social circle game is being pushed so hard right now.

[Jesse Pinkman]

I will do a long and separate post about the realities of social circle game but in recent years, I have noticed that a lot of pickup guys like RSD with Luke have been pushing social circle game hard onto everyone. On here, I've seen a lot of guys also talk about how cold approach is the devil that will get you arrested and that you have to invest in a social circle. As someone who has been involved with social circle game and done cold approach, just like @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 has, I wanted to give some real insight into all of this.

Most pickup guys ironically did cold approach wrong to where it became street harassment.

The best example of this is British lunatic Sasha, to anyone watching, please do not be anything like this imbecile. Just watch the first minute, this is how you get banned from campuses and arrested:

The problem is, a lot of pickup guys did "cold approach" this way. What they often did was borderline harass women that wanted to be left alone and overtime, this led to them getting into trouble such as the Toronto mall fiasco (you can read about it). Same with Julien at RSD who went way overboard being vulgar. There is nothing wrong with randomly talking to women during the day but you took a bunch of socially awkward outcasts, told them to be bold, and you got the weird creepy PUA who doesn't understand social norms.

So overtime, pickup got into trouble with articles going after pickup artists and Julien even making it to CNN. Where am I going with this?

Social circle game started being pushed so pickup artists could cover their a$$ and appeal to normies.

Pickup was under such a microscope and in so much trouble that major pickup brands like RSD had to push towards making guys sociable enough. The truth is when you take a videogame shut in and ask him to run game after hyping him up with bold motivational talks, what you end up getting is a spam approaching borderline rapist. So RSD and other major brands started to push "social circle game" and put up those looney videos of trying to connect with people on a social level. It is not because they genuinely believed any of that, it is because they had to cover their behinds, same with other pickup artists being born-again Christians.

Now, the very brands that told men to cold approach and learn game started to shame cold approaching. Little did they know that there is a difference between chatting up women in real life that you do not know versus just being an obstacle that keeps getting in her way like Sasha did in the first minute in the video above.

Finally, cold approach is freaking hard and the game itself is rough if you want to raise your notch count.

Unless you are filthy rich to where you can have models sourced to you or a celeb, the game is tough. Cold approaching, no matter how good you are at it, is a low success rate game. Now this does not mean you should never try it and if you stick with it long enough, you will start to have a regular stream of women come into your life. However, and this could be worth its own thread, most men have no business in the game.

Very few men, less than 5% were meant to sleep with tons of women. Most men who get into cold approaching will burn out within 6 months at max. The rejections pile up, the flakes, and then the exhausting hours spent focusing on getting good. 95% of men will never make it but that is true for ALL game avenues. Cold approach is rough but for the few men that make it, it gets good.

I will not exaggerate when I say this but cold approach is freaking tough. Yeah, you need to do 100s in order to get a lay and it takes a special kind of guy with a thick skin to not get flustered or defeated by it. Guys have made it work for them and racked up 100s of lays because of it.

However, "social circle game" is not practical for most men after college.

If your goal is to get a lot of lays, social circle game is not even remotely practical for most men. RSD talks about becoming the man in nightlife and as someone who has worked at a nightclub before, believe me, they are bluffing. Nightclubs and nightlife establishments are about money and nothing else.

Ironically, in order to get good at the kind of social circle game RSD preaches, you first need to be reasonably good at cold approaching. You have to be able to bring girls to a club which means you have to convince multiple girls you have good rapport with to come out with you. Most men will not be able to do this unless they have sisters with a lot of friends or if they are dating a girl with a lot of friends, which, unless they are in an open relationship, defeats the purpose of it all. The kind of game RSD and other social circle gurus speak about requires a ton of financial success and a heavy lifestyle investment.

I am talking being out till 5 AM with girls here, something that is not practical for most guys.

Finally, why?

Because everyone wants the easy pill. No one wants to admit that less than 5% of men, if even that, will have a life of constantly sleeping with above average looking women. The game is a freaking grind that no one wants to accept. Except for the very rich with ideal situations set up for them, sleeping with lots of different women is tough. First, you need to do the work to be the best version of yourself and then you need to approach and put yourself out there.

Social circle is sold as an easy quick-fix fantasy. Oh just make friends with the club owner and you are set, if only people knew how impractical the advice was.

 

[SW15]

I will do a long and separate post about the realities of social circle game

I look forward to seeing it.

Most pickup guys ironically did cold approach wrong to where it became street harassment.

The best example of this is British lunatic Sasha, to anyone watching, please do not be anything like this imbecile. Just watch the first minute, this is how you get banned from campuses and arrested:

The problem is, a lot of pickup guys did "cold approach" this way. What they often did was borderline harass women that wanted to be left alone and overtime, this led to them getting into trouble such as the Toronto mall fiasco (you can read about it). Same with Julien at RSD who went way overboard being vulgar. There is nothing wrong with randomly talking to women during the day but you took a bunch of socially awkward outcasts, told them to be bold, and you got the weird creepy PUA who doesn't understand social norms.

So overtime, pickup got into trouble with articles going after pickup artists and Julien even making it to CNN. Where am I going with this?

All true and it gave pickup a bad name, especially non-bar pickup.

Social circle game started being pushed so pickup artists could cover their a$$ and appeal to normies.

Likely.

Finally, cold approach is freaking hard and the game itself is rough if you want to raise your notch count.

Unless you are filthy rich to where you can have models sourced to you or a celeb, the game is tough. Cold approaching, no matter how good you are at it, is a low success rate game.

Cold approach is rough but for the few men that make it, it gets good.

I will not exaggerate when I say this but cold approach is freaking tough. Yeah, you need to do 100s in order to get a lay and it takes a special kind of guy with a thick skin to not get flustered or defeated by it. Guys have made it work for them and racked up 100s of lays because of it.

I have experienced all of this as a cold approacher. It doesn't matter whether your goal from cold approach is solely getting your dicck wet vs. finding a girlfriend type relationship.

However, "social circle game" is not practical for most men after college.

I agree with this. If you’re something like 22-26, post educational phase of life & in a big city that is transplant heavy, you might be able to link up with other adults in a similar spot in life. These circles do form but they tend to be weaker circles. I’ve been a part of circles like this of transplanted adults to a city. That’s how I’ve made my friends in my current city. Most transplanted adults have weak circles, which often forces them into the swipe apps, but some focus on nightlife. Very few focus of non-bar cold approaching.

Most social circles are formed either between K-12 or in college. Geographical consistency is one of the keys to having a good social circle. Part of this is on your parent(s) to keep you in the same area from birth - end of high school. Part of this is on you as an individual. Relocations kill social circle chances. I had multiple childhood & adulthood relocations before settling in my current city in my late 20s. While I’ve now been in my current city 10+ years, it has turned out to be too little, too late in terms of having a social circle capable of arranging dates for me.

Most men will not be able to do this unless they have sisters with a lot of friends

Younger sisters are one of the biggest game advantages that a man can have. Not only do you need one or more younger sisters, they also need to live in the same city as you. I have known one guy who has had sex with multiple friends of his younger sister.

Older sisters are essentially useless for social circle introductions. They might be useful for overall knowledge of how women operate, but even that's debatable.

Ironically, in order to get good at the kind of social circle game RSD preaches, you first need to be reasonably good at cold approaching.

If you're good at cold approaching, you don't need a social circle.

Finally, why?

Because everyone wants the easy pill. No one wants to admit that less than 5% of men, if even that, will have a life of constantly sleeping with above average looking women. The game is a freaking grind that no one wants to accept. Except for the very rich with ideal situations set up for them, sleeping with lots of different women is tough. First, you need to do the work to be the best version of yourself and then you need to approach and put yourself out there.

Social circle is sold as an easy quick-fix fantasy.

Social circles are not a quick fix at all. That's hysterical. If you’re starting from scratch, it might take multiple years to get a social circle to a place where it is capable of arranging dates for you. Most men don’t have the patience to see that through. The men who can see that social circle creation effort through are the ones who created their circles mainly before puberty or way earlier in life.

Yes, the game is a freaking grind. All you said about that is true.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I noticed when Im out at the usual Friday or Saturday night hangings, I see guys with multiple girls with them. But you have to question if this guy really is ****ing any of them or just a "guy friend." Considering most women would be jealous of any guy going with another girl, and these guys arent exactly a celebrity, I have a good guess they are guy friends most of the time unless at least one couple brought along the girl friends. Even then, it's still just a guy friend by proxy.

Social circle game seems like another strategy to try to pick up women but if you do not have the fundamentals, it's even worse than the friendzone.

 

[Von]

I will do a long and separate post about the realities of social circle game but in recent years, I have noticed that a lot of pickup guys like RSD with Luke have been pushing social circle game hard onto everyone. On here, I've seen a lot of guys also talk about how cold approach is the devil that will get you arrested and that you have to invest in a social circle. As someone who has been involved with social circle game and done cold approach, just like @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 has, I wanted to give some real insight into all of this.

Most pickup guys ironically did cold approach wrong to where it became street harassment.

The best example of this is British lunatic Sasha, to anyone watching, please do not be anything like this imbecile. Just watch the first minute, this is how you get banned from campuses and arrested:

The problem is, a lot of pickup guys did "cold approach" this way. What they often did was borderline harass women that wanted to be left alone and overtime, this led to them getting into trouble such as the Toronto mall fiasco (you can read about it). Same with Julien at RSD who went way overboard being vulgar. There is nothing wrong with randomly talking to women during the day but you took a bunch of socially awkward outcasts, told them to be bold, and you got the weird creepy PUA who doesn't understand social norms.

So overtime, pickup got into trouble with articles going after pickup artists and Julien even making it to CNN. Where am I going with this?

Social circle game started being pushed so pickup artists could cover their a$$ and appeal to normies.

Pickup was under such a microscope and in so much trouble that major pickup brands like RSD had to push towards making guys sociable enough. The truth is when you take a videogame shut in and ask him to run game after hyping him up with bold motivational talks, what you end up getting is a spam approaching borderline rapist. So RSD and other major brands started to push "social circle game" and put up those looney videos of trying to connect with people on a social level. It is not because they genuinely believed any of that, it is because they had to cover their behinds, same with other pickup artists being born-again Christians.

Now, the very brands that told men to cold approach and learn game started to shame cold approaching. Little did they know that there is a difference between chatting up women in real life that you do not know versus just being an obstacle that keeps getting in her way like Sasha did in the first minute in the video above.

Finally, cold approach is freaking hard and the game itself is rough if you want to raise your notch count.

Unless you are filthy rich to where you can have models sourced to you or a celeb, the game is tough. Cold approaching, no matter how good you are at it, is a low success rate game. Now this does not mean you should never try it and if you stick with it long enough, you will start to have a regular stream of women come into your life. However, and this could be worth its own thread, most men have no business in the game.

Very few men, less than 5% were meant to sleep with tons of women. Most men who get into cold approaching will burn out within 6 months at max. The rejections pile up, the flakes, and then the exhausting hours spent focusing on getting good. 95% of men will never make it but that is true for ALL game avenues. Cold approach is rough but for the few men that make it, it gets good.

I will not exaggerate when I say this but cold approach is freaking tough. Yeah, you need to do 100s in order to get a lay and it takes a special kind of guy with a thick skin to not get flustered or defeated by it. Guys have made it work for them and racked up 100s of lays because of it.

However, "social circle game" is not practical for most men after college.

If your goal is to get a lot of lays, social circle game is not even remotely practical for most men. RSD talks about becoming the man in nightlife and as someone who has worked at a nightclub before, believe me, they are bluffing. Nightclubs and nightlife establishments are about money and nothing else.

Ironically, in order to get good at the kind of social circle game RSD preaches, you first need to be reasonably good at cold approaching. You have to be able to bring girls to a club which means you have to convince multiple girls you have good rapport with to come out with you. Most men will not be able to do this unless they have sisters with a lot of friends or if they are dating a girl with a lot of friends, which, unless they are in an open relationship, defeats the purpose of it all. The kind of game RSD and other social circle gurus speak about requires a ton of financial success and a heavy lifestyle investment.

I am talking being out till 5 AM with girls here, something that is not practical for most guys.

Finally, why?

Because everyone wants the easy pill. No one wants to admit that less than 5% of men, if even that, will have a life of constantly sleeping with above average looking women. The game is a freaking grind that no one wants to accept. Except for the very rich with ideal situations set up for them, sleeping with lots of different women is tough. First, you need to do the work to be the best version of yourself and then you need to approach and put yourself out there.

Social circle is sold as an easy quick-fix fantasy. Oh just make friends with the club owner and you are set, if only people knew how impractical the advice was.

Good post.

Social circle exposes you to more people there's the power

 

[nicksaiz65]

I will do a long and separate post about the realities of social circle game but in recent years, I have noticed that a lot of pickup guys like RSD with Luke have been pushing social circle game hard onto everyone. On here, I've seen a lot of guys also talk about how cold approach is the devil that will get you arrested and that you have to invest in a social circle. As someone who has been involved with social circle game and done cold approach, just like @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 has, I wanted to give some real insight into all of this.

Most pickup guys ironically did cold approach wrong to where it became street harassment.

The best example of this is British lunatic Sasha, to anyone watching, please do not be anything like this imbecile. Just watch the first minute, this is how you get banned from campuses and arrested:

The problem is, a lot of pickup guys did "cold approach" this way. What they often did was borderline harass women that wanted to be left alone and overtime, this led to them getting into trouble such as the Toronto mall fiasco (you can read about it). Same with Julien at RSD who went way overboard being vulgar. There is nothing wrong with randomly talking to women during the day but you took a bunch of socially awkward outcasts, told them to be bold, and you got the weird creepy PUA who doesn't understand social norms.

So overtime, pickup got into trouble with articles going after pickup artists and Julien even making it to CNN. Where am I going with this?

Social circle game started being pushed so pickup artists could cover their a$$ and appeal to normies.

Pickup was under such a microscope and in so much trouble that major pickup brands like RSD had to push towards making guys sociable enough. The truth is when you take a videogame shut in and ask him to run game after hyping him up with bold motivational talks, what you end up getting is a spam approaching borderline rapist. So RSD and other major brands started to push "social circle game" and put up those looney videos of trying to connect with people on a social level. It is not because they genuinely believed any of that, it is because they had to cover their behinds, same with other pickup artists being born-again Christians.

Now, the very brands that told men to cold approach and learn game started to shame cold approaching. Little did they know that there is a difference between chatting up women in real life that you do not know versus just being an obstacle that keeps getting in her way like Sasha did in the first minute in the video above.

Finally, cold approach is freaking hard and the game itself is rough if you want to raise your notch count.

Unless you are filthy rich to where you can have models sourced to you or a celeb, the game is tough. Cold approaching, no matter how good you are at it, is a low success rate game. Now this does not mean you should never try it and if you stick with it long enough, you will start to have a regular stream of women come into your life. However, and this could be worth its own thread, most men have no business in the game.

Very few men, less than 5% were meant to sleep with tons of women. Most men who get into cold approaching will burn out within 6 months at max. The rejections pile up, the flakes, and then the exhausting hours spent focusing on getting good. 95% of men will never make it but that is true for ALL game avenues. Cold approach is rough but for the few men that make it, it gets good.

I will not exaggerate when I say this but cold approach is freaking tough. Yeah, you need to do 100s in order to get a lay and it takes a special kind of guy with a thick skin to not get flustered or defeated by it. Guys have made it work for them and racked up 100s of lays because of it.

However, "social circle game" is not practical for most men after college.

If your goal is to get a lot of lays, social circle game is not even remotely practical for most men. RSD talks about becoming the man in nightlife and as someone who has worked at a nightclub before, believe me, they are bluffing. Nightclubs and nightlife establishments are about money and nothing else.

Ironically, in order to get good at the kind of social circle game RSD preaches, you first need to be reasonably good at cold approaching. You have to be able to bring girls to a club which means you have to convince multiple girls you have good rapport with to come out with you. Most men will not be able to do this unless they have sisters with a lot of friends or if they are dating a girl with a lot of friends, which, unless they are in an open relationship, defeats the purpose of it all. The kind of game RSD and other social circle gurus speak about requires a ton of financial success and a heavy lifestyle investment.

I am talking being out till 5 AM with girls here, something that is not practical for most guys.

Finally, why?

Because everyone wants the easy pill. No one wants to admit that less than 5% of men, if even that, will have a life of constantly sleeping with above average looking women. The game is a freaking grind that no one wants to accept. Except for the very rich with ideal situations set up for them, sleeping with lots of different women is tough. First, you need to do the work to be the best version of yourself and then you need to approach and put yourself out there.

Social circle is sold as an easy quick-fix fantasy. Oh just make friends with the club owner and you are set, if only people knew how impractical the advice was.

Great write up. Just wanted to very quickly add a couple of points:

1.) Sasha Daygame is literally insane and no one should ever listen to him

2.) Even if you do have that social circle with lots of hot girls, and they show interest in you, you are still going to need Game to close the deal. How do you get and refine that Game? By Cold Approaching, going on dates, etc etc. That Game isn’t just magically going to come out of nowhere

 

[SW15]

2.) Even if you do have that social circle with lots of hot girls, and they show interest in you, you are still going to need Game to close the deal. How do you get and refine that Game? By Cold Approaching, going on dates, etc etc. That Game isn’t just magically going to come out of nowhere

The amount of game you need to close when in a pre-screened social circle is lower than as a random stranger. This is how a lot of beta males have gotten girlfriends over time.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I noticed when Im out at the usual Friday or Saturday night hangings, I see guys with multiple girls with them. But you have to question if this guy really is ****ing any of them or just a "guy friend." Considering most women would be jealous of any guy going with another girl, and these guys arent exactly a celebrity, I have a good guess they are guy friends most of the time unless at least one couple brought along the girl friends. Even then, it's still just a guy friend by proxy.

Social circle game seems like another strategy to try to pick up women but if you do not have the fundamentals, it's even worse than the friendzone.

I have been that guy many times and known guys who end up in that situation and here is what usually happens.

1. The guy is dating a girl who happens to have a lot of friends that are also girls.

2. The guy is screwing one of the girls who is really into him and she brings him along for her social outings.

3. He is a gay friend.

4. He happens to know one as a friend.

5. Work, the guy likely works in an industry with a lot of good looking coworkers.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You can get a woman from social circle that will be much hotter many times than you can from randomly meeting them based on the longer a woman knows you, the more other traits become attractive to her and the less looks matter.

These are 75% of the explanation for "How did she end up with him?!?" scenarios you see.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

You can get a woman from social circle that will be much hotter many times than you can from randomly meeting them based on the longer a woman knows you, the more other traits become attractive to her and the less looks matter.

These are 75% of the explanation for "How did she end up with him?!?" scenarios you see.

For LTRs alone, I'd say social circle is a great option if a guy is willing to invest in it. However, I have found from friends that do daygame that if you want to realistically sleep with a lot of above average or even some hot girls, nothing can beat it. Outside of a Dan Bilzerian type of situation, no other avenue will get you that opportunity to the same degree. Not even social circle.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

For LTRs alone, I'd say social circle is a great option if a guy is willing to invest in it. However, I have found from friends that do daygame that if you want to realistically sleep with a lot of above average or even some hot girls, nothing can beat it. Outside of a Dan Bilzerian type of situation, no other avenue will get you that opportunity to the same degree. Not even social circle.

I've only done it a few times, but ended up with a GF for a year from one of my trips to the supermarket a while back.

Social circle, I banged a few hotties in my younger years from it, but never got in an LTR from it.

 

[MatureDJ]

This guy says that if you are below normie-tier, SocialCircleMaxxing will just make you the jester:

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I've only done it a few times, but ended up with a GF for a year from one of my trips to the supermarket a while back.

Social circle, I banged a few hotties in my younger years from it, but never got in an LTR from it.

Younger years is the key part, especially if you were in school to any degree.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Younger years is the key part, especially if you were in school to any degree.

Not necessarily...my cousin had quite a decent social circle well into my late 30s that I used to get a lot of attention from the women in it when I would hang out with them the few times I did either at a get together he had or going out with them. From what I could gather, he would talk me up to them at times and I kinda almost had a groupie following without even really hanging out with them too often(it kinda was weird because it was like as soon as I got there I could feel eyes on me)

At one of the get togethers he literally pulled me aside and told me 2 or 3 of his friends who happened to be women basically told him they wanted to fvck me and he said if I wanted to make use of one of the spare rooms I was welcome to...I made use of the room but basically just got a BJ from the one chick and blasted a load all over her face and in her hair that made her the talk of the party once people figured out why her hair was stuck together(think something about Mary)

The one super hot chick I was actually wanting to bang was kinda lukewarm towards me and I didn't really sense much interest on her part which was disappointing because I definitely would have banged her in the spare room.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I’m ‘meh’ on SC. It has it’s purposes (lost my V card d/t SC). I think of it as one tool in the toolbox.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Not necessarily...my cousin had quite a decent social circle well into my late 30s that I used to get a lot of attention from the women in it when I would hang out with them the few times I did either at a get together he had or going out with them. From what I could gather, he would talk me up to them at times and I kinda almost had a groupie following without even really hanging out with them too often(it kinda was weird because it was like as soon as I got there I could feel eyes on me)

At one of the get togethers he literally pulled me aside and told me 2 or 3 of his friends who happened to be women basically told him they wanted to fvck me and he said if I wanted to make use of one of the spare rooms I was welcome to...I made use of the room but basically just got a BJ from the one chick and blasted a load all over her face and in her hair that made her the talk of the party once people figured out why her hair was stuck together(think something about Mary)

The one super hot chick I was actually wanting to bang was kinda lukewarm towards me and I didn't really sense much interest on her part which was disappointing because I definitely would have banged her in the spare room.

Your situation is unique and happened due to closeness to your family member. Most guys who get into game do not have game-positive and supportive family members who can help set them up to that sort of a situation. I am not completely knocking social circle, once again, I was in a fraternity in college and kept close with my friends from it a couple years after graduation.

However, social circle relies on so many variables out of your control that you are basically hoping for luck to roll your way and you need a good situation dependent on others to make it happen. Even then, the ceiling is not as high as one would think if you want anything other than an LTR.

Cold approach, though harder and requiring more guts, allows you to put your luck into your own hands and after enough tries, you can succeed at it and get a good flow of women coming into your life.

Social circle makes sense when you are filthy rich, have a lot of single friends that are supportive around game, and have all things sorted out to where you can travel freely and party a lot because you have truly made it. Most men will never get to that point.

 

[Zimbabwe]

But seriously social circle game outside of college is way more effort than it's worth, plenty of other avenues to meet women for casual sex.

Social circle game is only good for possible LTRs.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

There’s a reason you live and die by the social circle. I hate picking on my friend but he’s the exact poster child of this. Benefitted from a hometown social circle that gave him girls above his league. He never worked on himself physically/economically because he didn’t have to. Hometown social dried up due to age and his last girl dumped him and now he lives in BFE somewhere. I don’t think man has gotten laid since or it must have been some desperate hometown ugly broad. He looks 15 years older than his age because of weight gain and neglect.

 

[SW15]

I believe social circles tend to vanish. There's one guy I know who has used social circles so well that it is astounding. Although this may be an outlier story, it has influenced my world view about social circles to a great degree.

This is a guy in his early 40s who lives in a medium sized metro area (population around 300,000). He has lived in that same metro his whole life exception for the 4 years of college. Since college graduation, his major relationships have all been from social circle. In his mid-20s, he started a 10+ year relationship that resulted in a failed marriage. According to his ex-wife, he strongly pushed the social circle to put the two of them together. Her initial interest in that pairing was rather tepid, but she eventually settled into it. I don't think she would have ever given him a chance as a cold approacher, nor do I think that guy could have ever cold approached her meaningfullly at that time in his life. Like many marriages, it eventually falls apart. He finds himself divorcing in his late 30s and the timeline falls a few years prior to the onset of the pandemic. Swipe apps exist at this time but he doesn't end up needing to use them. He does very minimal cold approaching either when the marriage falls apart. Due to his extensive social network from a lifetime of geographic stability, there are women in his social network who hear about his failed marriage and try to pitch themselves to him. He ends up immediately getting into an LTR while in the midst of a divorce process with some gal that at least one of his male friends knows and they got married in about 1.5 years time.

This is the type of guy who isn't at all represented on SoSuave forums or any other similar forum.

If this guy's 2nd marriage falls apartment when he's 45-50, I don't know if he'll be able to use the social circle again, but his use of it has been decent for LTRs. I would argue that this guy is too beta. His geography is meaningful but not all guys in mid-sized metros like his have social circles. The ones who grew up in mid-sized areas like his that didn't get into social circles moved to the biggest metros areas in the USA and ended up experiencing the mating market via swipe apps, cold approaches, co-ed sports leagues, etc.

This is a guy who has lived by the social circles as @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 says. He would be some AFCs experiencing long droughts and lacking companionship without it.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I believe social circles tend to vanish. There's one guy I know who has used social circles so well that it is astounding. Although this may be an outlier story, it has influenced my world view about social circles to a great degree.

This is a guy in his early 40s who lives in a medium sized metro area (population around 300,000). He has lived in that same metro his whole life exception for the 4 years of college. Since college graduation, his major relationships have all been from social circle. In his mid-20s, he started a 10+ year relationship that resulted in a failed marriage. According to his ex-wife, he strongly pushed the social circle to put the two of them together. Her initial interest in that pairing was rather tepid, but she eventually settled into it. I don't think she would have ever given him a chance as a cold approacher, nor do I think that guy could have ever cold approached her meaningfullly at that time in his life. Like many marriages, it eventually falls apart. He finds himself divorcing in his late 30s and the timeline falls a few years prior to the onset of the pandemic. Swipe apps exist at this time but he doesn't end up needing to use them. He does very minimal cold approaching either when the marriage falls apart. Due to his extensive social network from a lifetime of geographic stability, there are women in his social network who hear about his failed marriage and try to pitch themselves to him. He ends up immediately getting into an LTR while in the midst of a divorce process with some gal that at least one of his male friends knows and they got married in about 1.5 years time.

This is the type of guy who isn't at all represented on SoSuave forums or any other similar forum.

If this guy's 2nd marriage falls apartment when he's 45-50, I don't know if he'll be able to use the social circle again, but his use of it has been decent for LTRs. I would argue that this guy is too beta. His geography is meaningful but not all guys in mid-sized metros like his have social circles. The ones who grew up in mid-sized areas like his that didn't get into social circles moved to the biggest metros areas in the USA and ended up experiencing the mating market via swipe apps, cold approaches, co-ed sports leagues, etc.

This is a guy who has lived by the social circles as @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 says. He would be some AFCs experiencing long droughts and lacking companionship without it.

Is this guy's second wife decent looking? I'd consider himself lucky for using a social circle in that size of a city. In Nashville, by 25 the girl is either married, a single mom, fat, or loyal to herself until she decides to settle for some fat bubba with a lake boat lol in her late twenties or thirties. Your only hope past 25 is to find a woman that just moved to the city or luck lol.

 

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Is this guy's second wife decent looking?

I’ve never been in person with her. From pictures, most men would place her in the cute range. Her looks are likely to deteriorate soon, if they haven’t already. In a 5 year period, this couple met, married, and had 2 kids. That’s an accelerated pace for so many life milestones.