Observations on getting older, game, and women.

[Jesse Pinkman]

I've seen a few threads on age and soon, I am going to be in my 30s in a couple of years or so. Now late 20s isn't old but I think that for most of society, it isn't exactly young either. There's been a lot of talk about how 30s are a man's peak but at the same time, I have seen a lot of older guys complain as well. Due to the virtue of living in big cities, I have had the chance to meet guys in their 30s and even 40s that get laid a ton and some that have crashed and burned hard.

It does start to hit you as soon as you approach 30.

I feel it myself. You are not "getting old" per se but you do feel that sense of urgency. I put off daygame and even nightgame for a bit because even though I got into pickup almost a decade ago, there was a lot of societal backlash against it. As a result, I ended up backing away and wasting time just sticking with old social circles and being passive about women and game. I mainly relied on dating apps to get laid and grossly underachieved in my 20s. As I approach 30, I reflect back on my stupidity and the time I wasted. I am not doubling down on daygame and trying to get game in general squared away because last thing I want is to be 35 and clueless.

Society's expectations do start to get powerful and close in on you, mental toughness is required.

I even experience it now with family asking me to get married or just knowing that I do not have forever to do my game journey. Even at work, my coworkers get engaged left and right. To the normal person, once you are cold approaching and trying to pick up girls in your 30s, you do come off as that "older guy". It starts to feel awkward at times and it can weigh on you. It's different from doing it at the age of 21 when you are younger and less is required of you. You have to actively free your head and want to get laid a lot as opposed to settling for an LTR. In your 30s, the playboy trope or persona looks a lot less cool and appealing than for some college kid or dude in his early 20s. You have to really want this.

Lots of obstacles and things from society are literally in your way saying that you are too old to sleep with a ton of women in your 30s and how you are immature for it. Women will sh-t test you for wanting casual sex. Men will judge you and shame you as well, especially those that are not involved with you when it comes to game. To any outsider that gets a chance to look into your life, you will be that "man child" or that "Peter Pan" for sleeping around.

A difference in guys that get results and those that do not.

It is a mentality or an approach to life from older guys that get laid a lot. Older guys that seem to get laid have this "get sh-t done" mentality towards women and dating where they are all about the result. As for how that works, let me put it this way. An older guy who is getting laid is barely spending time thinking he is too short or too Asian for women to like him, he is busy just grinding until he finds something that works. The other difference is that older guys that get results do not waste a second with people who are dragging their results down.

Drunk stupid friends? Bye, don't come out with me.

Wingman being too passive? Don't expect to hear from me again.

Chick playing too many games? Next.

Advice or video whining about the dating market? Ignore.

I feel it so much in being around older guys that get laid. They are some of the most ruthless people when it comes to achieving a result that they will drop any deadweight fast. Meanwhile, the older guys struggling still listen to black pill nonsense and harp on it.

Most older guys that lust after much younger women have something seriously wrong with their psyche.

I am not saying that being an older guy who is into younger women is a bad thing. You can be some 35 or 40 year old guy who likes a hot 20 year old, nothing wrong with that. What I am saying is that older men that pedestalize younger women and get off on the whole "they're so youthful and fertile" talk (if a guy ever says fertile in a sentence, seriously ignore that creep and get away from him, he has no game) have something seriously wrong with their psyche. Once again, I am not saying it is a sin to like younger women when you are an older guy. What I am saying is that older guys that obsess over the fantasy of getting with girls significantly younger than them have something seriously wrong with their psyche.

Now most attractive younger women are able to sense immediately that these guys are "off" and "weird" so they avoid them. The biggest tragedy is that these older guys very rarely if ever get with the kinds of women they lust after. All of that "muh young and fertile love" nonsense creeps normal people out.

Now going on to the next topic, relatability, it is your bread and butter.

Adam Levine? Relatable.

Dan Bilzerian? As much as you hate him, relatable.

Red pill writer who obsesses over society falling apart and talks about his love for "young fertile souls"? Creepy and very unrelatable.

Put an older guy who gives off the vibe of an Adam Levine or a Dan Bilzerian at a bar and he will probably have a select number of younger women lusting after him, assuming he is in shape. Put the typical black pill or red pill writer who talks about how "young and fertile" women make his day and obsesses over politics and social science rather than game? Incel and won't get laid.

You have to have the cool factor going for you when you are old. Younger people have to feel like they can relate to you. If you are an older guy that struggles with younger women, it's probably because you have no way to be relatable to them.

The one real difference between the older guys that made it and those that did not.

A wise man once told me that older does not mean wiser, it usually means more bitter. Oh boy is that as true as ever. I have found that bitterness kills most older guys and when you combine it with an ego, you practically get an old incel. It is no mystery why the red pill and Manosphere are flooded with old guys that struggle with women for the most part despite somehow being experts of sexual psychology. Looks matter, game matters, and all of that stuff matters but bitterness makes chances older guys have with any sort of women dead on arrival. Some older guys are doomed to permanently fail due to being bitter people and they lack the self-awareness to even acknowledge this.

You must go to a big city or give up all hope for a great sex life.

Me and @SW15 talk about this topic non-stop but the truth is that if you are an older guy with aspirations of getting laid a lot, it can ONLY happen in a major city. I am speaking as an American here but outside of a Chicago, LA, NYC, or Miami, I cannot think of many other cities that are good for older men to sleep with a lot of different women. This is a non-negotiable thing here. If you are stuck in the suburbs or college towns, get the heck out, you are screwed. Unless you own a freaking bar in a college town, get the heck out of that place. Big city or bust.

I'll add more but this is all I have for now.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There's definitely a correlation between being ruthless and not being bitter. You have to screen hard and be ready to move on fast. Learning to identify and avoid pitfalls is key because negative experiences can add up and affect your game if you expose yourself to them.

As a caveat to Jesse's post, I will say that older, red pill guys will want to avoid places (venues/neighborhoods/cities) that are too progressive. There's definitely a bias against anything older if you're in a woke place. But most places, if you're a cooler older guy you will be welcomed for being "different".

 

[Solomon]

The bitter guys is what turned me of about the manosphere. The truth is there a lot of men young and old who are just soft and rather complain all day than to improve their lives. If you where to really look at these guys lives they tend have one or more of these things

-No social circle
-A job that can't keep them afloat (if you're over the age of 30 you need to re-evaluate your spending habits or work on that)
-Jaded-which they don't realize affects their behavior and makes them unbearable to hang out with or simpish
-Out of shape (been there, if you get older being in shape and knowing basic game is like a cheat code, once you in your mid 30s the tides do start to change)
-Victim mentality-I noticed most men in the red pill space and on this site have gotten soft and

The truth is dating has gotten harder but it's also got a lot easier yes women are worse than they ever been but there so many simps out here there is a shortage of guys who have their stuff together hence if you have those things together you will be winning!

 

[forcerecon01]

The bitter guys is what turned me of about the manosphere. The truth is there a lot of men young and old who are just soft and rather complain all day than to improve their lives. If you where to really look at these guys lives they tend have one or more of these things

-No social circle
-A job that can't keep them afloat (if you're over the age of 30 you need to re-evaluate your spending habits or work on that)
-Jaded-which they don't realize affects their behavior and makes them unbearable to hang out with or simpish
-Out of shape (been there, if you get older being in shape and knowing basic game is like a cheat code, once you in your mid 30s the tides do start to change)
-Victim mentality-I noticed most men in the red pill space and on this site have gotten soft and

The truth is dating has gotten harder but it's also got a lot easier yes women are worse than they ever been but there so many simps out here there is a shortage of guys who have their stuff together hence if you have those things together you will be winning!

so true

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The bitter guys is what turned me of about the manosphere. The truth is there a lot of men young and old who are just soft and rather complain all day than to improve their lives. If you where to really look at these guys lives they tend have one or more of these things

-No social circle
-A job that can't keep them afloat (if you're over the age of 30 you need to re-evaluate your spending habits or work on that)
-Jaded-which they don't realize affects their behavior and makes them unbearable to hang out with or simpish
-Out of shape (been there, if you get older being in shape and knowing basic game is like a cheat code, once you in your mid 30s the tides do start to change)
-Victim mentality-I noticed most men in the red pill space and on this site have gotten soft and

The truth is dating has gotten harder but it's also got a lot easier yes women are worse than they ever been but there so many simps out here there is a shortage of guys who have their stuff together hence if you have those things together you will be winning!

Along with @SW15 you are slowly becoming one of my favorite posters. Enough about that though...

I 110% agree with you. Even the manosphere itself has gotten 10x more toxic in the past 10 years. It used to be more based on truths about women and some harder truths about game but it was still action driven. Now, it is turned more to outright racism, heavy on the politics, and pure complaining.

What has become the most cringe for me is how guys are desperate for a marriage and having the weirdest standards. "I must go to a country where women do not have internet", like WTF bro. Now you have guys spamming communities talking about how its too late if you didn't get married and how single men are doomed to be miserable. The Manosphere has merged with black pill and inceldom communities as one blob of outright misery.

However, I agree with your other post, even though women have gotten worse, the competition has thinned itself out.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Learning to identify and avoid pitfalls is key because negative experiences can add up and affect your game if you expose yourself to them.

This leads me to my other point which I will add but could not put on the thread.

Older guys who succeed get really good at identifying toxic situations and people and head for the hills.

I feel like for me, toxic people and situations RUINED my life the most in my early 20s. However, as I have gotten older, I can identify these people faster and learn when to head for the hills. Like I have learned techniques to block out time wasting women and also guys who seem seedy. This is such a priceless skill to have in life but even 10x important for game. A toxic woman or a toxic social situation will kill your momentum and years off of your life, it kills your health long-term and makes you lose the drive to succeed.

They learn so fast on who not to waste their time around and they head for the hills ASAP.

 

[Solomon]

Along with @SW15 you are slowly becoming one of my favorite posters. Enough about that though...

I 110% agree with you. Even the manosphere itself has gotten 10x more toxic in the past 10 years. It used to be more based on truths about women and some harder truths about game but it was still action driven. Now, it is turned more to outright racism, heavy on the politics, and pure complaining.

What has become the most cringe for me is how guys are desperate for a marriage and having the weirdest standards. "I must go to a country where women do not have internet", like WTF bro. Now you have guys spamming communities talking about how its too late if you didn't get married and how single men are doomed to be miserable. The Manosphere has merged with black pill and inceldom communities as one blob of outright misery.

However, I agree with your other post, even though women have gotten worse, the competition has thinned itself out.

Bro!! thank you I enjoy your post as well. You give a lot of insights and I'm glad to hear you doing well in Miami

As a guy who has been here since 2008, I remember back int he day posting FR's getting feedback and how guys generally encouraged guys to hit the gym or the field. Now you rarely see a FR or even guys talking about the gym or keeping a journal on their progress. It's like men today have just giving up and turned into the male version of the feminist they complain about. Don't even get me started on blackpill. you got some of those guys on youtube making 12 hour live streams complaining about women, society and how game doesn't work. I'm not a "game" fanatic as in my younger years but I do believe in self-improvement and taking onus on being better every day

However, it's like modern men have just given up and rather whine and complain. Then you realize most of the guys complaining are either grifters trying to finesse their audience for money or guys who need to work on themselves. I'm not saying I'm perfect but a lot of men on this site and on these youtube videos/comments I wouldn't hang out with because some of them do have a toxic disdain not just towards women but life in general. I don't say it in malice it actually saddens me especially to see young men in their prime resort to wanting to give up or thinking that "Thailand" or paying for a "Escort" will make their life better when they just need to work out, get a stable job and learn some social dynamics basics and it would help them 10fold

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Bro!! thank you I enjoy your post as well. You give a lot of insights and I'm glad to hear you doing well in Miami

As a guy who has been here since 2008, I remember back int he day posting FR's getting feedback and how guys generally encouraged guys to hit the gym or the field. Now you rarely see a FR or even guys talking about the gym or keeping a journal on their progress. It's like men today have just giving up and turned into the male version of the feminist they complain about. Don't even get me started on blackpill. you got some of those guys on youtube making 12 hour live streams complaining about women, society and how game doesn't work. I'm not a "game" fanatic as in my younger years but I do believe in self-improvement and taking onus on being better every day

However, it's like modern men have just given up and rather whine and complain. Then you realize most of the guys complaining are either grifters trying to finesse their audience for money or guys who need to work on themselves. I'm not saying I'm perfect but a lot of men on this site and on these youtube videos/comments I wouldn't hang out with because some of them do have a toxic disdain not just towards women but life in general. I don't say it in malice it actually saddens me especially to see young men in their prime resort to wanting to give up or thinking that "Thailand" or paying for a "Escort" will make their life better when they just need to work out, get a stable job and learn some social dynamics basics and it would help them 10fold

Funny you mention Miami. I joined some group chat due to an old friend introducing it to me from back in my RSD days. Now I thought it was going to be positive since we were all going to take action. What we get is dudes whining about how bad Miami is and swearing to you that some small hick town is a better choice. Needless to say, months later as I went out with my real friends and some naturals, we found that they pulled from the same spots these losers complained about.

IMO, I think the gap between the haves and the have nots has just gotten a lot bigger. The Have Nots are not getting theirs and their frustration is showing. They are flooding to "masculine" communities and pouring all of their racism, bigotry, hatred, and misery into them. It has become a virus that cannot be cured anymore and the worst part is that they will alienate the men who are young and have potential.

I just think at this point, it is tougher for younger men who want to have success to find the right resources but at the same time, due to this, the competition has truly thinned itself out and taken itself out of the game.

 

[SW15]

the manosphere itself has gotten 10x more toxic in the past 10 years. The Manosphere has merged with black pill and inceldom communities as one blob of outright misery.

In the last 5-7 years or so, black pill has overtaken red pill as the more popular of the non-blue pill viewpoints.

It does start to hit you as soon as you approach 30.

Society's expectations do start to get powerful and close in on you, mental toughness is required.

Somewhere between 27-33, a lot of men see a good portion of their social circles get immersed in LTRs and get married. There were years for me in the 2nd half of the 2010s where I saw multiple marriages in a calendar year in my social sphere. Mental toughness is required for the unattached/marginally attached man. I'm an older Millennial who saw this happen with my first half of the Millennial generation social sphere. There were times in my early to mid 30s where my own mentality was affected by the flurry of weddings occurring around me. I later realized that my path was best for me and to ignore the noise from others. Mental toughness is required to draw that conclusion. Mental toughness is achieved by not overindulging in porn and masturbation, lifting weights, eating healthy, and doing approaches if you don't have a social circle to rely upon for dates. I've never had a social circle capable of arranging dates for me.

Most older guys that lust after much younger women have something seriously wrong with their psyche.

I'm a late 30s guy. I go after younger women but they can be any amount of time younger than me. For example, in my mid-30s, I wasn't only going for women in their mid-20s. I find that fit women in their 30s can turn me on sexually but even a fit, childless 36 year old isn't the same as one who is 21 or 26. I think I'm reasonable to be happy with women who are at least younger than I am.

 

[corrector]

II put off daygame and even nightgame for a bit because even though I got into pickup almost a decade ago, there was a lot of societal backlash against it. As a result, I ended up backing away and wasting time just sticking with old social circles and being passive about women and game. I mainly relied on dating apps to get laid and grossly underachieved in my 20s.

In other words, you didn't get massive validation from females, at the age that it would have really mattered and mainly dealing with alpha-attraction like @Who Dares Win. You missed that window.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

In other words, you didn't get massive validation from females, at the age that it would have really mattered and mainly dealing with alpha-attraction like @Who Dares Win. You missed that window.

Swing and a miss. I'd argue that I actually got a lot of validation because I had a 100+ matches on the major dating apps (Bumble, Hinge, and Tinder) and got laid off of them. What are you talking about from age it would have mattered? Validation from women is validation from women.

 

[Gamisch]

As I get older I get a thicker skin and become less affected by rejection and emotions in general. I am able to make a rejection fun, and subtlety still manage to plant a seed. Also , my sense of style gets more refined.

I have a backpack filled with tons of experiences and ( combined with something like SS) I can almost always identify and recall a situation or scenario with a woman. Countless women have confirmed my attractiveness so I am confident like hell around women.(dont bring your girl around me ...) sexually I've explored all my fantasies and fetishes so even in that area I've calmed down. No urgency to do certain things anymore. Plus I have a kid, so legacy wise iam also settled.

I still do day game , but not by tapping on women's shoulder. Subtle daygame . My mantra is to " approach the whole world" and actually took that page out the Female book; just position yourself in a way where the approach seems innocent (mask it). I small talk with EVERYONE. I am like a experienced lion, when I smell blood I know when and how to attack and go for the kill.

It's hard to explain ,but if I go out I get crazy amounts of IOI,s. Kinda flattering lol. My theory is " game recognize game" , what means both me and the woman will position ourselves in such a way that conversation happens naturally. When I was younger I didn't always see it a clearly as nowadays.

I do agree tho, lots of men go from blue straight to black pill. I try to tell them it's a unexplainable invincible aura of hate fear neediness and resentment for women that's around them what keeps them from connecting with females. But even then I dgaf about friends not getting p00n. It's on them if they don't wanna learn game.

This weekend I go city hopping, just having fun by myself and just see whatever happens happens. If nothing happens I just fall back on some plates lol.

 

[corrector]

Swing and a miss. I'd argue that I actually got a lot of validation because I had a 100+ matches on the major dating apps (Bumble, Hinge, and Tinder) and got laid off of them. What are you talking about from age it would have mattered? Validation from women is validation from women.

Then why did you say you grossly underachieved in your 20s?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I’m 29 despite what my profile says. I was black pill in my college and mid twenties. The biggest game changer was me getting two girl friends and missing being single. I realized how much a pain in the ass women can be and that being single is better than being in most relationships. In addition, I had a FWB going on with a 9/10 and I never felt satisfied after having sex with her. I’m definitely more skeptical now, but I do worry about how this will be sustainable throughout my thirties unless I find a wife.

 

[corrector]

Countless women have confirmed my attractiveness so I am confident like hell around women.

That has nothing to do with game, that's just your looks. If you didn't have your looks then your game would come across as arrogant and offensive to the same women.

I do agree tho, lots of men go from blue straight to black pill. I try to tell them it's a unexplainable invincible aura of hate fear neediness and resentment for women that's around them what keeps them from connecting with females. But even then I dgaf about friends not getting p00n. It's on them if they don't wanna learn game.

You mean they are not as genetically gifted as you are so they don't have the same halo-effect?

Now lets say you got into a horrible accident and had third-degree burns all over your body and lost all of your looks. Do you think your game would still work? Or would you be filled with an aura of fear, neediness and resentment for women?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Then why did you say you grossly underachieved in your 20s?

Because pulling girls online is one thing but to learn daygame and nightgame so you can pull girls out of your league is something pays dividends as you get older. Especially now that online dating has been infested by bots and is practically pay to play.

 

[BadBoy89]

I am speaking as an American here but outside of a Chicago, LA, NYC, or Miami, I cannot think of many other cities that are good for older men to sleep with a lot of different women.

Dallas
Seattle
San Francisco
Hawaii
Boston
Tampa Bay
Philadelphia
Denver
Washington
Oakland
Atlanta
Detroit
Minnesota
Anaheim
Phoenix

 

[BillyPilgrim]

That has nothing to do with game, that's just your looks. If you didn't have your looks then your game would come across as arrogant and offensive to the same women.



You mean they are not as genetically gifted as you are so they don't have the same halo-effect?

Now lets say you got into a horrible accident and had third-degree burns all over your body and lost all of your looks. Do you think your game would still work? Or would you be filled with an aura of fear, neediness and resentment for women?

Actually it would to some degree. Some women get a fetish for dudes in a wheelchair for example, it's a weird sympathy thing. With your natural looks it doesn't because their hypergamic instinct kicks in and they regard you as having bad genes. But if something horrific happens to you and you lose your looks, they have an outlet for their "sympathy".


That's how messed up they are. Both situations out of your control and resulting in bad looks, but the two situations are treated differently.

 

[Gamisch]

That has nothing to do with game, that's just your looks. If you didn't have your looks then your game would come across as arrogant and offensive to the same women.



You mean they are not as genetically gifted as you are so they don't have the same halo-effect?

Now lets say you got into a horrible accident and had third-degree burns all over your body and lost all of your looks. Do you think your game would still work? Or would you be filled with an aura of fear, neediness and resentment for women?

Sigh..is this an alt account from @thelambofdeth something?

I am not the best looking guy you've ever seen,but I've learned women dont care that much about looks. Do have the gift of the gap, that's why I say it's a unexplainable aura. You gotta approach the world, be that happy smiling go getter type of dude. Filter iOis so you minimize failure . Jayz once said ain't no such thing as a ugly billionaire. Same is somewhat applicable for bodybuilders. Face less? Body up! Sunglasses fitting clothes and a sixpack can make any man look good.

If if if if if I win the lottery its no more SS for me. If I would be in a fire accident obviously life would be miserable. Would be the perfect excuse to get soley hookers tho...like Eddy Griffin once said: if I had one foot I'll be hopping to some pvssy (if this is not allowed mods I'll remove it!!!)

This type of thinking belongs on a incel forum with all due respect . This is a space full of information how to be SUCCESSFUL with women,man up bro!

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

In the last 5-7 years or so, black pill has overtaken red pill as the more popular of the non-blue pill viewpoints.

Not surprising. Spectator mode burns no calories. People are lazy. The SMP is really that bad. Where it took our generation nearly forty years to grow jaded, Gen Z just is off rip. They cannot unsee what is.

The old rsd forum got nuked. Near the end days, it was dorks and low T soy boys crying and not going out.

Spectator mode is detrimental. It's prevalent in RP. You see a lot of black pill were initially into RP. A lot of it is almost detrimental if not taking action. It doesn't help that majority shill and aren't actually putting in work.

somewhere between 27-33, a lot of men see a good portion of their social circles get immersed in LTRs and get married. There were years for me in the 2nd half of the 2010s where I saw multiple marriages in a calendar year in my social sphere. Mental toughness is required for the unattached/marginally attached man. I'm an older Millennial who saw this happen with my first half of the Millennial generation social sphere. There were times in my early to mid 30s where my own mentality was affected by the flurry of weddings occurring around me. I later realized that my path was best for me and to ignore the noise from others. Mental toughness is required to draw that conclusion. Mental toughness is achieved by not overindulging in porn and masturbation, lifting weights, eating healthy, and doing approaches if you don't have a social circle to rely upon for dates. I've never had a social circle capable of arranging dates for me.

It's natural to experience it. Women get it 100x worse due to biology and the fact women are a lot more competitive then men give credit for.

One of the best tactics is similar to running game. Disassociate from the environment. From whatever excuse is there. Wedding? Engagements? Wedding party? Disassociate from. The following like the power went off. The same applies for when shooting your shot. Sever that part of giving a ****. A lot of it is an illusion. Following the beaten path. Happy pics online. Cucking and dysfunction irl. Of course the camera isn't on when ^^^^!

I'm a late 30s guy. I go after younger women but they can be any amount of time younger than me. For example, in my mid-30s, I wasn't only going for women in their mid-20s. I find that fit women in their 30s can turn me on sexually but even a fit, childless 36 year old isn't the same as one who is 21 or 26. I think I'm reasonable to be happy with women who are at least younger than I am.

It just seems to work natural.