I found game and can't be happier.

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

1. Orthopedic surgeons are usually 35-40+ and married. They are not out trying to get laid. I get the idea of the type that they are looking to meet, and it isn't literally an orthopedic surgeon.
2. There's not a lot of approaching at brunch spots. Everyone is seated at various tables inside their own social circles. It's possible to get a social circle intro at a brunch, but that's about it. People need to be standing and moving around for a venue to be a good approach venue.

That's what I mean. These women want these high value men but do nothing to put themselves in the position of meeting them other than swiping on an app. If they so happen to get one of these men, they won't even attempt to understand or adapt to his lifestyle lol.

 

[Murk]

Golf is about skill more than physical fitness, hence old (see rich) men play it. Less wear and tear.

I've played golf a few times due to my job and I don't really care for it either way, but it's more the relationship building.

Young men going to play golf with friends is weird and not really beneficial.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I've been at it for about a year and haven't had much luck. I've found several things that seem to help, one of which is trying to chat up some guys when I go to a bar before I talk to the women. I've invested a lot of time and money into it though and it doesn't seem like it should be this hard.

That's actually a mind hackkkk.

If you treat everyone like one of the guys &&& you pull ultra feminine women. Very submissive. In her feminine.

Modern women are like dudes. Sumo stomping, belching &&& farting everywhere throwing up gang signs.

If you do the follow you sort of hack the process. Dude can be a new wing, buddy, and or gym pal.

Funny story. I almost got in a fight when intermediate. I cut the fight for one sec and said hold on. Approached a 15/10 stunner and got rejected. The guy I was about to get into said it was the most bad ass thing he even saw. We're buddies to this day lol.

There's something about fighting and game that men respect.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It's best not to be in dad/uncle mode. There are married guys with homes in the suburbs who don't have kids yet who have lives like these. Don't copy their lifestyles. Since I'm in my late 30s, I know multiple 30 something guys, some without kids, who have lifestyles like @Jesse Pinkman describes.

Watching college and professional sports is a waste of time. Play sports, and play sports that are more physically exerting than golf.

Many unattached/marginally attached men do not spend their leisure time with these married/LTR type men. I avoid these men and it has impacted my social life. Men who once were awesome before the multi-year girlfriend or wife have turned out to be lame beta males.



Cold approaching is so tough. You're so right that you will endure mental and emotional trauma from it. Do you know what's worse? A mediocre to subpar romnatic relationship with a woman who gives you less sex every year of your relationship beyond the first 3 years.



As the college thread indicates, most men do not have an amazing college experience, even those who go to party schools in Sun Belt US states. If college is the peak, that would be extremely depressing.

Every day, I become more convinced that the trade school/blue collar path is a better path than college.



A lot of male friendship is bullshiit. A lot of married men and multi-year LTR men end up disassociating from their unattached/marginally attached male friends.

I consider rushing fraternities but decided against it. Seems like a good choice.

+1

Never got to the level of **** **** screaming at the idiot box over sport ball. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy a good scrap be it wilder vs fury 3 or mma/ufc but the time sick us rubbish. I remember when Beckham got that red card &&& how nuts it was in England. I remember seeing dolls hanging around and the country telling thus guy to kill himself. It's nuts.

I'd agree with you because it's east to go from trade school to biz owner off rip. I k kw trades guys and lazy contractors with busted bodies mid 20 something. I don't envy that.

A trade guy can easily be mid 20s HENRY (HIGH EARNER NOT YET RICH). IMHO if I ever had a son, I would recommend it over corporate. Alternatively freelance is another path but entrepreneurship isn't ideal for everyone.

A media scandal like Julien blanc or Austen summers is game over for any dude in corporate as is any accusations.


I find that I need to TRY with former pals from the past playing house. Solid buddies I make the effort but it is not worth it for anybody blue pill parroting happy life. Happy wife.

I think Making new buddies is key particularly in the future and moving forward.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

In hindsight, the fatty BBQs and golf was the easy life. So many men settle into it and you find them all over the corporate world. Deep down though, these men are so resentful. A lot of them grow fatter every year and then start to envy whatever guys are out there killing it. I noticed when I started to get more fit how these very guys were all passive aggressive about things.

The life of game is tough and very few men are truly made for it but for those that get through it, it offers such rewarding benefits no other life can even come close to rivaling.

Tbh I suspect that the best are sociopaths or at the very least, got hard wired dark tread traits. There has to be some past traumas to really get into it and stick with it.

The reality of the game is you are going to take Ls. Alternatively a fat wife cucked and divorce rape is the alternative. I take cold approach pickup over the play house with Tyrones BBC gang bang thot.


It puts into perspective how bad the SMP is and what rubbish modern men are marrying. Seriously skank on the kill cam for days and captain phaggotry is marrying it.

Got my troll cannon charged up. I will argue were the generation of men married to the game. Some at least know it.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

1. Orthopedic surgeons are usually 35-40+ and married. They are not out trying to get laid. I get the idea of the type that they are looking to meet, and it isn't literally an orthopedic surgeon.
2. There's not a lot of approaching at brunch spots. Everyone is seated at various tables inside their own social circles. It's possible to get a social circle intro at a brunch, but that's about it. People need to be standing and moving around for a venue to be a good approach venue.

You got to be ballsy for brunch. I pit work in dinners and casinos eatery spots. It's post bar or club. The only thing that I found was coffee shops particularly ones who are frequently college spots have good logistics. I found this great spot for demographic and social vibe.

I believe it. I know a guy close to my age who has been making low to mid $100,000s for at least a decade. Women never gave him any credit for his earnings. They took it for granted that they'd be interacting with a man in his salary range. To some degree, he was treated like shiit by women. Numerous ghostings/flakings. It didn't help that he has used online dating websites/swipe apps in the past decade to arrange dates than cold approaches.

Its painful for these guys. I know doctors and Lawyers who made that their game. Got wrecked in life. Via divorce rape.

Title of whatever but resources are slashed. Lack of game was detrimental.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Tbh I suspect that the best are sociopaths or at the very least, got hard wired dark tread traits. There has to be some past traumas to really get into it and stick with it.

The reality of the game is you are going to take Ls. Alternatively a fat wife cucked and divorce rape is the alternative. I take cold approach pickup over the play house with Tyrones BBC gang bang thot.

It puts into perspective how bad the SMP is and what rubbish modern men are marrying. Seriously skank on the kill cam for days and captain phaggotry is marrying it.

Got my troll cannon charged up. I will argue were the generation of men married to the game. Some at least know it.

I mean it does get to the extremes here with your post. I agree, marriage is not the best idea in your 20s but I do know of a lot of guys who LTR'd and wifed up women that were good looking. Granted, this happens way more in the deep south states than it does up north. Some of these men may as well go on to live happy lives.

All that being said, I wouldn't bet that to be the case for 85% of them. I find that most will be as you described or just miserably married.

When all that is said and done, I think cold approaching bachelor in his 30s or any guy who has made strides in game in his 30s is way better off. Even in the game category we can talk about incels but tbh, a loser is always a loser, even if these guys found a girl they would be miserably married or just miserable.

As for this thread, I just have to hang around most married people and be grateful that I ended up nothing like them. I mean its the golf obsession that gets me, like wtf. I have played it and it is the most boring sport ever and you spend most of the time gossiping. Then to try and see some corporate try hard in his 20s hype it up and try to use it to relate to leadership is so cringe.

I've looked at the married life from all angles, at least for guys in their 20s, and in most cases I come up disappointed. It reminds me of how as much as we whine about the game, it's a way better alternative to be doing that than getting divorce raped in your 20s.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I mean it does get to the extremes here with your post. I agree, marriage is not the best idea in your 20s but I do know of a lot of guys who LTR'd and wifed up women that were good looking. Granted, this happens way more in the deep south states than it does up north. Some of these men may as well go on to live happy lives.

All that being said, I wouldn't bet that to be the case for 85% of them. I find that most will be as you described or just miserably married.

I don't see the point of playing house unless lineage is what you desire.

In the UK, pua apocalypse followed the BBC hit piece &&& a jailed pua in Scotland. It's no shocker why Tusk and Troy go abroad vs the feminist land whales we go here. Can drink like dad. Can't cook like mom.

I can count on 1 hand the amount of "good" marriages I know. And go by today's standards. It's really that bad. Happily married is an awful Stat. Still married mostly due to avoiding divorce rapey. A miniscule are actually happy. Most are waiting for the angel of death to put their miserable existence to bed.

Sounds cynical as f but look into these men's eyes. They are dead already. Numb themselves with sports ball and booze.

When all that is said and done, I think cold approaching bachelor in his 30s or any guy who has made strides in game in his 30s is way better off. Even in the game category we can talk about incels but tbh, a loser is always a loser, even if these guys found a girl they would be miserably married or just miserable.

At 30, it gets harder. Particularly with logistics and timing. On my comp up, before mid 20s, women would be looking to get cereal. Today, pushing forty &&& on dating apps talking wants kids some day lulz. Added to the fact, most guys 30 something are broken down by life and ready to settle for whatever has been hoe off the CC. A skank who wouldn't make the time a day in her best years but now needs a bail out.

The same once today in previous generations would be married and or dating. The caliber of modern women is fit for a straight jacket and dumpster fire. Men of even the lowest rank in the 50s wouldn't settle for the rubbish we got today.

Enjoy the decline. Pillage what you can. But charge up the troll cannon when these sluts talk cereal relationship &&& marriage. No dice.

As for this thread, I just have to hang around most married people and be grateful that I ended up nothing like them. I mean its the golf obsession that gets me, like wtf. I have played it and it is the most boring sport ever and you spend most of the time gossiping. Then to try and see some corporate try hard in his 20s hype it up and try to use it to relate to leadership is so cringe.

You have to do no such thing. Tbh hanging around married couples won't level up your life nor your game. If anything it will salt your game.

The most ironic part is that these are the kind of dorks that will want to try and advise you on things. They will even pity you.... or tell you "one day, you will be lucky like them. "

I remember a destination wedding I attended. Everyone was playing house. No lifting. Lots of beers and talking sports ball. Here I am befriending locals and randoms. Clubbing solo and Wilding out. Even worse then the group of house husband's was the ones single and trying desperately to fit in.

I've looked at the married life from all angles, at least for guys in their 20s, and in most cases I come up disappointed. It reminds me of how as much as we whine about the game, it's a way better alternative to be doing that than getting divorce raped in your 20s.

There's something to be said for living on your own terms. Even Paul Janka and others who lived the playboy lifestyle shift gears. At least if you do so you made a choice vs following the beaten path.

And who knows. You might find some stunner from Columbia or south east Asia. You start a family and you go abroad or you live a player life for as long as you can.

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Tristan breaks it down.