I found game and can't be happier.

[Jesse Pinkman]

I have been posting a lot in recent days and the truth is, I am feeling sick and not in a good way. This means I cannot go out as much as I would like and Miami was hit with a tropical storm recently too which ended up being more heavy rain than anything. Been wanting to post this thread for a while because there is a lot I need to say. Now I know we get negative on here and I am guilty of that too but as I look back on my twenties and even the past few years of life, I can't be happier to have found game and even the community behind it.

My past and the alternative.

A lot of you on the outside looking in might envy the normal guy or even people who things come to them naturally. Well, I was in a college fraternity and friends with a lot of guys who on the outside looking in, were seen as the big man on campus or men good with women. As @SW15 will happily point you to, I posted a thread on the reality of college life. Enough of college, I look at most of those guys now and even a lot of my coworkers who are getting into the latter half of their twenties. TBH, there are very few of them I would want to trade lives with.

The highlight of the weekend for most of these people are:

• Playing golf with the boys as they drown themselves in beer
• Expensive brunches
• Watching sports as they drown themselves in beer during the day
• Still clinging on to their college team years after the fact
• BBQs at the neighbor's place

As much as I might like some of them as people, I would not trade lives with them for a second. I have been called out a lot to join them and I always have to find a way out. In some ways, this has caused more of my coworkers and former classmates to probe into my life and pull me into coming to hang out with them. The naturals on here will hate me for it but I think even the PUA students who take a few hours out on the weekend to approach women live a more exciting and noteworthy life than most of these people.

The truth is, I almost ended up being that person. If it was not for a breakup in my senior year of college, I would have been that guy. I would have been playing golf on weekends, going to BBQs in the suburbs, and gossiping about work and coworkers. I would have been the guy that peaked in college and accepted that it was all downhill from there.

For a while, I thought I made a mistake too.

Maybe I was better off getting married to some girl I knew in college. Maybe I should have stuck to my college circle and not expanded out much. I felt that way when I first started out and due to some entitlement issues, baggage, and negative thinking, I delayed my progress. I even looked down at the guys who would daygame and approach a lot, seeing them as being socially clueless (and some of them were as @RangerMIke pointed out in his New Orleans story). Then to hear what becomes of former PUAs, I thought I had made a big mistake.

After the years though, I noticed that some of those guys got really good and lived lives that most men would envy. I am talking partying at events with Playboy Models type of lives. A few of these guys actually found a lot of success in life outside of just dating and went from zeroes to being in high demand. In a couple of instances, I saw these guys take home the very women who were dating my former classmates, looks like Chris Brown and Lil Wayne were on to something when they say they ain't loyal.

It was then I realized that I did stuff wrong and need to get back into it. I lost my negative thinking and starting paying close attention to the process. Now I slowly became the very guys I initially looked down on. Then, slowly, the results started to come in.

It is tough.

Game is not for everyone and it will break you in so many ways. To voluntarily sign up to be rejected by beautiful women is something you have to be a little crazy to do. It is no wonder why 80% of the guys who get into it burn out and start to envy the normal man. Cold approaching random women is tough and it takes you way out of your comfort zone. Your ego will be destroyed but if you let it be, it can make way for something much healthier and satisfying.

To the guys out there grinding and putting in the work, stay at it, you never know what great things can come of it. Looking back at it now, I am glad I found this lifestyle and it was 10 times better than the alternative.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

When you consider that a miniscule women will like you and a smaller percent you will like, never mind the few you will actually have compatibility with. People want a easy way forward and to leap frog rejection. There is no easy mode. If game is what a man pursues, no boomer pods &&& mental masturbation, you will take Ls. As you said, you won't trade places with dorks playing house &&& married with a fatty wife.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

• Playing golf with the boys as they drown themselves in beer
• Expensive brunches
• Watching sports as they drown themselves in beer during the day
• Still clinging on to their college team years after the fact
• BBQs at the neighbor's place

Why can't you do these and game women at the same time lol?

 

[LucianoM]

Dont feel bad for not wanting to hang out with a bunch of other males. Wtf do you man need males for? Focus on hanging out with girls, most men will only hold you back.

 

[BadWatermelon]

Game is not for everyone and it will break you in so many ways. To voluntarily sign up to be rejected by beautiful women is something you have to be a little crazy to do. It is no wonder why 80% of the guys who get into it burn out and start to envy the normal man. Cold approaching random women is tough and it takes you way out of your comfort zone. Your ego will be destroyed but if you let it be, it can make way for something much healthier and satisfying.

To the guys out there grinding and putting in the work, stay at it, you never know what great things can come of it. Looking back at it now, I am glad I found this lifestyle and it was 10 times better than the alternative.

I've been at it for about a year and haven't had much luck. I've found several things that seem to help, one of which is trying to chat up some guys when I go to a bar before I talk to the women. I've invested a lot of time and money into it though and it doesn't seem like it should be this hard.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Why can't you do these and game women at the same time lol?

I am shocked you of all people asked that, biggest shock of the day lol (so far).

Number of reasons:

1. Those activities drain your energy and put you in a Dad mood, you have to have done them in order to truly relate with what I am saying. You hang out with a bunch of old guys to play golf and then your mind is thinking the same things they are even if you are not in the same situation.

2. Average of 5 people you hang out with the most, hang out with 5 settled down guys a lot, you start to think and act like them.

3. Weight gain and the fact that day drinking is just awful for you, empty calories. I don't even drink that much at night if I can help it.

4. Those are normie dad hobbies and you don't transition mentally from eating artery clogging food at the BBQ all day and drinking beer to all of a sudden having the energy to go out at night fresh, you sort of just feel like crap.

It is physical to a degree but its mental too, it ruins your vibe for the game and you almost don't want to game. Pretty soon you get sucked into the LTR quicksand. You can't focus on game anywhere.

Oh no brunch and drinks instead of out in the day to daygame. BBQ and fattening foods instead of out talking to girls. Game, in order to be successful at it, is a lifestyle that requires dedication. Most men halfa$$ it so they fail and whine.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Dont feel bad for not wanting to hang out with a bunch of other males. Wtf do you man need males for? Focus on hanging out with girls, most men will only hold you back.

AMEN. I mean the best males to hang out with are dedicated wings who are there for the same purpose as you, to get laid. Once you get way better than them though, you need new wings because the old ones get jealous. I have found that overtime, my wings have become my good friends.

Outside of that, male friendships are largely a joke for the most part. As soon as you exceed them, your closest friends will turn on you. I was sold the fraternity lie and then later find how much brothers talk about each other behind their backs and start to envy whichever ones made something of themselves.

The only male friends to make are those as dedicated as you who are going places.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

When you consider that a miniscule women will like you and a smaller percent you will like, never mind the few you will actually have compatibility with. People want a easy way forward and to leap frog rejection. There is no easy mode. If game is what a man pursues, no boomer pods &&& mental masturbation, you will take Ls. As you said, you won't trade places with dorks playing house &&& married with a fatty wife.

In hindsight, the fatty BBQs and golf was the easy life. So many men settle into it and you find them all over the corporate world. Deep down though, these men are so resentful. A lot of them grow fatter every year and then start to envy whatever guys are out there killing it. I noticed when I started to get more fit how these very guys were all passive aggressive about things.

The life of game is tough and very few men are truly made for it but for those that get through it, it offers such rewarding benefits no other life can even come close to rivaling.

 

[SW15]

The highlight of the weekend for most of these people are:

• Playing golf with the boys as they drown themselves in beer
• Expensive brunches
• Watching sports as they drown themselves in beer during the day
• Still clinging on to their college team years after the fact
• BBQs at the neighbor's place

1. Those activities drain your energy and put you in a Dad mood, you have to have done them in order to truly relate with what I am saying. You hang out with a bunch of old guys to play golf and then your mind is thinking the same things they are even if you are not in the same situation.

2. Average of 5 people you hang out with the most, hang out with 5 settled down guys a lot, you start to think and act like them.

3. Weight gain and the fact that day drinking is just awful for you, empty calories. I don't even drink that much at night if I can help it.

4. Those are normie dad hobbies and you don't transition mentally from eating artery clogging food at the BBQ all day and drinking beer to all of a sudden having the energy to go out at night fresh, you sort of just feel like crap.

It is physical to a degree but its mental too, it ruins your vibe for the game and you almost don't want to game. Pretty soon you get sucked into the LTR quicksand. You can't focus on game anywhere.

Oh no brunch and drinks instead of out in the day to daygame. BBQ and fattening foods instead of out talking to girls. Game, in order to be successful at it, is a lifestyle that requires dedication. Most men halfa$$ it so they fail and whine.

It's best not to be in dad/uncle mode. There are married guys with homes in the suburbs who don't have kids yet who have lives like these. Don't copy their lifestyles. Since I'm in my late 30s, I know multiple 30 something guys, some without kids, who have lifestyles like @Jesse Pinkman describes.

Watching college and professional sports is a waste of time. Play sports, and play sports that are more physically exerting than golf.

Many unattached/marginally attached men do not spend their leisure time with these married/LTR type men. I avoid these men and it has impacted my social life. Men who once were awesome before the multi-year girlfriend or wife have turned out to be lame beta males.

Game is not for everyone and it will break you in so many ways. To voluntarily sign up to be rejected by beautiful women is something you have to be a little crazy to do. It is no wonder why 80% of the guys who get into it burn out and start to envy the normal man. Cold approaching random women is tough and it takes you way out of your comfort zone. Your ego will be destroyed but if you let it be, it can make way for something much healthier and satisfying.

To the guys out there grinding and putting in the work, stay at it, you never know what great things can come of it. Looking back at it now, I am glad I found this lifestyle and it was 10 times better than the alternative.

Cold approaching is so tough. You're so right that you will endure mental and emotional trauma from it. Do you know what's worse? A mediocre to subpar romnatic relationship with a woman who gives you less sex every year of your relationship beyond the first 3 years.

A lot of you on the outside looking in might envy the normal guy or even people who things come to them naturally. Well, I was in a college fraternity and friends with a lot of guys who on the outside looking in, were seen as the big man on campus or men good with women.

I would have been the guy that peaked in college and accepted that it was all downhill from there.

As the college thread indicates, most men do not have an amazing college experience, even those who go to party schools in Sun Belt US states. If college is the peak, that would be extremely depressing.

Every day, I become more convinced that the trade school/blue collar path is a better path than college.

AMEN. I mean the best males to hang out with are dedicated wings who are there for the same purpose as you, to get laid. Once you get way better than them though, you need new wings because the old ones get jealous. I have found that overtime, my wings have become my good friends.

Outside of that, male friendships are largely a joke for the most part. As soon as you exceed them, your closest friends will turn on you. I was sold the fraternity lie and then later find how much brothers talk about each other behind their backs and start to envy whichever ones made something of themselves.

The only male friends to make are those as dedicated as you who are going places.

A lot of male friendship is bullshiit. A lot of married men and multi-year LTR men end up disassociating from their unattached/marginally attached male friends.

I consider rushing fraternities but decided against it. Seems like a good choice.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I am shocked you of all people asked that, biggest shock of the day lol (so far).

Number of reasons:

1. Those activities drain your energy and put you in a Dad mood, you have to have done them in order to truly relate with what I am saying. You hang out with a bunch of old guys to play golf and then your mind is thinking the same things they are even if you are not in the same situation.

2. Average of 5 people you hang out with the most, hang out with 5 settled down guys a lot, you start to think and act like them.

3. Weight gain and the fact that day drinking is just awful for you, empty calories. I don't even drink that much at night if I can help it.

4. Those are normie dad hobbies and you don't transition mentally from eating artery clogging food at the BBQ all day and drinking beer to all of a sudden having the energy to go out at night fresh, you sort of just feel like crap.

It is physical to a degree but its mental too, it ruins your vibe for the game and you almost don't want to game. Pretty soon you get sucked into the LTR quicksand. You can't focus on game anywhere.

Oh no brunch and drinks instead of out in the day to daygame. BBQ and fattening foods instead of out talking to girls. Game, in order to be successful at it, is a lifestyle that requires dedication. Most men halfa$$ it so they fail and whine.

Oh, I was meaning like once in a while. I completely understand what you mean though. I went brunching yesterday and the only thing to show for it was a hole in my wallet and I needed to nap for 3 hours. There’s no way in hell I can balance these activities with my lifestyle.

The main issue I’ve run in to is meeting women that do shvt like this already. The typical woman I meet brunches and parties every weekend and thinks they are edgy because they had a study abroad in Spain lol.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

As the college thread indicates, most men do not have an amazing college experience, even those who go to party schools in Sun Belt US states. If college is the peak, that would be extremely depressing.

Every day, I become more convinced that the trade school/blue collar path is a better path than college.

I was in a SEC frat and I don’t miss college one bit. I loved freshman and junior year, but absolutely felt like I was in hell during sophomore and senior Year!

 

[SW15]

I was in a SEC frat and I don’t miss college one bit. I loved freshman and junior year, but absolutely felt like I was in hell during sophomore and senior Year!

A lot of the SEC schools are big time into Greek Life.

Lots of men would dream about slamming these vaginas.

This SEC sorority recruitment video got SJWs riled up in 2015 for being too white.

U. of Alabama sorority criticized for recruitment video

Members of Alpha Phi start the year off on a bad foot

www.usatoday.com

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Lots of men would dream about slamming these vaginas.

You have to be already dating them before they join the sorority or be the top percentile of men to even have a chance with those girls. Most guys in fraternities are either in relationships or settle asap. Most of those hot girls are in private social circle pregames and you will only see them at tailgates or at the football games with their boyfriends lol.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

A lot of the SEC schools are big time into Greek Life.

Lots of men would dream about slamming these vaginas.

This SEC sorority recruitment video got SJWs riled up in 2015 for being too white.

U. of Alabama sorority criticized for recruitment video

Members of Alpha Phi start the year off on a bad foot

www.usatoday.com

Funny story involving that sorority, one summer in NYC my roommate smashed an Alpha Phi who was a rising senior. You would be surprised at how easily these girls get turned off by fraternity guys. A ton of sorority girls headed to NYC before the pandemic for internships and commonly went home with guys they met from bars. My roommate had his Alpha Phi for a bit and she'd even pregame with us.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's best not to be in dad/uncle mode. There are married guys with homes in the suburbs who don't have kids yet who have lives like these. Don't copy their lifestyles. Since I'm in my late 30s, I know multiple 30 something guys, some without kids, who have lifestyles like @Jesse Pinkman describes.

Watching college and professional sports is a waste of time. Play sports, and play sports that are more physically exerting than golf.

Many unattached/marginally attached men do not spend their leisure time with these married/LTR type men. I avoid these men and it has impacted my social life. Men who once were awesome before the multi-year girlfriend or wife have turned out to be lame beta males.

It is worse when you work with these guys or in an office that is like this. Truly one of the most draining environments to work in lol. Some can be good dudes but most take themselves way too seriously and get into heated debates about sports. It is not even that I hate these guys but the fact that these are the guys American society tells us we need to aspire to be in our 30s makes me laugh and cringe at the same time.

It's always so cute to see guys in their 20s try to relate with the older men by playing golf. Literally one of the snottiest and most bougee sports you can play. I respect the guys that do MMA and actual sports that require you to push yourself physically. Big gap in personality too. MMA guys are cool humble dudes while golfers take themselves way too seriously and are sensitive people.

Sadly, this is the majority of the south. It is why I do not live in real southern states because these guys are 80% of the 20 to 30 something population. It's just so sad to see that outside if NYC, Miami, Chicago, and the major cities, these are your only shot at friendships.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Oh, I was meaning like once in a while. I completely understand what you mean though. I went brunching yesterday and the only thing to show for it was a hole in my wallet and I needed to nap for 3 hours. There’s no way in hell I can balance these activities with my lifestyle.

The main issue I’ve run in to is meeting women that do shvt like this already. The typical woman I meet brunches and parties every weekend and thinks they are edgy because they had a study abroad in Spain lol.

Thing is, you can't be a p-$$y to get p-$$y. Yeah women do that stuff because they are women. Then dudes do it too in order to meet women and its sad. Some real Chads and alphas are either out approaching, doing MMA, and just pushing their physical and mental boundaries while women are sitting and eating comfortably.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

@SW15

Cold approaching is so unnatural and very hard to learn. It is why even in the PUA world and red pill world, dudes are hyping up social circle game and everything. Even the guys who know about the game realize how tough it is to go up to a hot woman and talk to her. I've been doing it this year and man, daygame is a b1tch but boy does it teach you so much about yourself. I used to have a wing who was former military, still couldn't do it. The amount your ego needs to die in order for you to be born a better version of yourself is just something that is too much to ask for the average guy or even one that is closer to alpha.

Yet, I would not trade cold approaching for the world now. How much it humbles me and teaches me to grow is something I know will put me ahead of most men. Once you get good at it, the average guy will envy the life out of you. After a certain age, the brain is slower to pick up on new things and people get set in their ways. When older guys see you macking on hot women out on the streets, they fill with rage wishing it was them instead.

It is tough and will break the average dude but for those that stick with it, the results I have seen have been insane. To know how much control you have in the kinds of women you sleep with, its something most guys wish they had. In the end, guys really do it all for women. They might lie and cover up but every guy wishes he was deep inside of a hot girl.

 

[SW15]

Cold approaching is so unnatural and very hard to learn.

Even the guys who know about the game realize how tough it is to go up to a hot woman and talk to her. I've been doing it this year and man, daygame is a b1tch but boy does it teach you so much about yourself.

I have expressed these ideas before.

I would not trade cold approaching for the world now. How much it humbles me and teaches me to grow is something I know will put me ahead of most men. Once you get good at it, the average guy will envy the life out of you. After a certain age, the brain is slower to pick up on new things and people get set in their ways. When older guys see you macking on hot women out on the streets, they fill with rage wishing it was them instead.

I am glad that I can cold approacher and am not an app swiper. I'm also never envious of any guy who cold approahes. I have respect for any man who is an approacher, especially a man who does approaches when sober.

I have observed cases of men with less than ideal game getting decent results from approaching due to some great feature, such as being 6'4".

In the end, guys really do it all for women. They might lie and cover up but every guy wishes he was deep inside of a hot girl.

Yes, this is true.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Thing is, you can't be a p-$$y to get p-$$y. Yeah women do that stuff because they are women. Then dudes do it too in order to meet women and its sad. Some real Chads and alphas are either out approaching, doing MMA, and just pushing their physical and mental boundaries while women are sitting and eating comfortably.

Yeah, these women want these type of men but do nothing in their lifestyles to meet or keep these men. These women magically think some ripped Orthopedic Surgeon Chad is going to randomly approach them at their stupid brunch spot and that this guy is going to magically eat like **** and have all of the free time in the world for her lol. I make six figures, I workout regularly, and I need time to recharge, but I've yet to meet a woman that respects that lol.

 

[SW15]

Yeah, these women want these type of men but do nothing in their lifestyles to meet or keep these men. These women magically think some ripped Orthopedic Surgeon Chad is going to randomly approach them at their stupid brunch spot and that this guy is going to magically eat like **** and have all of the free time in the world for her lol.

1. Orthopedic surgeons are usually 35-40+ and married. They are not out trying to get laid. I get the idea of the type that they are looking to meet, and it isn't literally an orthopedic surgeon.
2. There's not a lot of approaching at brunch spots. Everyone is seated at various tables inside their own social circles. It's possible to get a social circle intro at a brunch, but that's about it. People need to be standing and moving around for a venue to be a good approach venue.

I make six figures, I workout regularly, and I need time to recharge, but I've yet to meet a woman that respects that lol.

I believe it. I know a guy close to my age who has been making low to mid $100,000s for at least a decade. Women never gave him any credit for his earnings. They took it for granted that they'd be interacting with a man in his salary range. To some degree, he was treated like shiit by women. Numerous ghostings/flakings. It didn't help that he has used online dating websites/swipe apps in the past decade to arrange dates than cold approaches.

It's always so cute to see guys in their 20s try to relate with the older men by playing golf. Literally one of the snottiest and most bougee sports you can play. I respect the guys that do MMA and actual sports that require you to push yourself physically. Big gap in personality too. MMA guys are cool humble dudes while golfers take themselves way too seriously and are sensitive people.

I don't like golf either. If a person must play a country club, "bougee" sport, tennis is better. Tennis is a much better workout, requiring you to push yourself physically. It's also more fast paced and fun. It's slightly more likely to meet women through playing tennis, but you'd be more likely to meet divorced women 40+ playing tennis than younger women and you'd mainly meet them through a private facility rather than public tennis courts. There are far more recreational/weekend warrior type male tennis players than female tennis players.

It is not even that I hate these guys but the fact that these are the guys American society tells us we need to aspire to be in our 30s makes me laugh and cringe at the same time.

Being in 20s is better than being in 30s. The freedom is usually better. Though the pandemic has ruined a lot of the good aspects of being a 20 something.

It is worse when you work with these guys or in an office that is like this. Truly one of the most draining environments to work in lol. Some can be good dudes but most take themselves way too seriously and get into heated debates about sports.

College educated, white collar workers who talk about the achievements of collegiate and professional athletes are not living life to the fullest. Playing a sport would be a way better use of time.