I think this girl I’ve been interested in found a beta provider

[needimprovement250]

You're right as she even admitted that about herself in another thread. Though if you get some sexual experience, you can lie to these biitches and they won't know. Why are you so bent on being truthful with them? They'd reject you in a second about not having the sexual past that you should... While at the same time saying "don't judge me based on my past"... They're hypocritical emotional beings with a lack of honor. So, don't worry about treating them with a sense of honor. You will not be rewarded for it in anyway. Go dumpster diving, get some experience, lie to chicks until you don't have to. They are ruthless about their sex lives/goals, you should be too.

Oh she actually admitted in another thread that inexperience is a turn off? Well I mean, I have a little bit of sexual experience already since I did lose my virginity and fooled around with another girl, but that’s it. Its not that I’m bent on being truthful about it, its more that I’m worried they’ll be able to pick up on it and figure it out themselves, especially if they sleep with me. I wouldn’t even mention it, but I’m afraid that they’ll ask about it and get suspicious of whatever answer I give. For several years, I’ve just imagined a scenario where I go out on dates and get rejected every time because of my lack of experience to the point of it turning into a never ending cycle of rejection. But OLD might be a good place to start in order to get some practice for more experience, who knows.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Oh she actually admitted in another thread that inexperience is a turn off? Well I mean, I have a little bit of sexual experience already since I did lose my virginity and fooled around with another girl, but that’s it.

Yes. From a woman's point of view, might as well be none...

Its not that I’m bent on being truthful about it, its more that I’m worried they’ll be able to pick up on it and figure it out themselves, especially if they sleep with me. I wouldn’t even mention it, but I’m afraid that they’ll ask about it and get suspicious of whatever answer I give.

We spoke on this already. They will ask. I told you what I said, and she stopped asking. I was fwb with her for 8 months, she didn't bring it up again. It may be obvious to the next chick you bang, but it may not. It doesn't matter, as you've got to the point of penetrating her, and some more experience. The next chick it may not be so obvious... My fwb guessed I had close to the same amount of notches as she did(a couple dozen). That's what they want to hear anyways. A number close to theirs.

 

[DonJuanjr]

@needimprovement250 Yeah you have a choice, you can listen to women who don't have to navigate the problems the men have to deal with, or guys that were in your shoes...
"are resentful of them and believe we're all a bunch of entitled hypocrites". Coming from someone who says she's ONE example of someone who'll judge you based on your past, but in another thread is offended when guys judge women on their pasts, saying "we all have pasts"... Sounds hypocritical to me...

"And who advise you to fvck fatties and/or anything with a pulse, that's called desperation and that can only bring you down further than you already are, as evidenced by the attitude of the poster who advised that."
Coming from someone who can have sex whenever she chooses to, and never been in a position of involuntary celibacy.. Has no right saying what is or isn't "desperation"...

 

[needimprovement250]

Yes. I had bad pics too, got rejected a ton, but got success with a fatty. I was very direct with her, and she was direct also. I banged her the first day I met her. You are going to get a lot of rejection, but so what? You will mainly just be ignored. Try different methods with different chicks. Women that you wouldn't normally go for. The goal is to regain masculinity and gain some more experience, not find a life partner.

I think a lot of rejection happens to most guys who use OLD, or so I’ve heard. So it sounds like you’re telling me that I should just take the jump and give it a try to see what happens and gain some experience? One question I have about that though is since I still live at home, do you think the girls would be ok with going to hotel rooms to fu*k since going to my place isn’t an option?

 

[needimprovement250]

The way you presented that does make me sound hypocritical however if you had read all my posts to @Murk on his thread, I also posted that if his ex wasn't what or who he ultimately wanted (paraphrasing cannot remember my exact words), then he was right to move on.

Not to mention Murk is a self-admitted commitment phobe so the situation was a little different.

As far as judging, wrong word. I don't (or try not to) judge anyone, I have preferences as we all do.

My preference is for an experienced man for reasons stated, but again I'm just one woman.

“I ‘prefer’ an experienced man but I’m only one woman” That’s such BS lol, just a different way of saying I would never want anything to do with an inexperienced guy and most other women won’t either.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Girls like beta males. It’s just easier for puas to sell their stuff by telling you that you cannot get laid because you are a beta male when there’s another reason you can’t.

 

[needimprovement250]

Girls like beta males. It’s just easier for puas to sell their stuff by telling you that you cannot get laid because you are a beta male when there’s another reason you can’t.

I know that some do, but it seems like most women are biologically programmed to want alpha males above all else.

 

[Murk]

The way you presented that does make me sound hypocritical however if you had read all my posts to @Murk on his thread, I also posted that if his ex wasn't what or who he ultimately wanted (paraphrasing cannot remember my exact words), then he was right to move on.

Not to mention Murk is a self-admitted commitment phobe so the situation was a little different.

As far as judging, wrong word. I don't (or try not to) judge anyone, I have preferences as we all do.

My preference is for an experienced man for reasons stated, but again I'm just one woman.

Yo I'm messed up, I've been through several bouts of therapy, I come on this forum to get advice, I don't take my own advice, I'm mentally not well. I can function in the outside world, I run a successful business, I have slayed chicks, luckily I'm "tall and handsome" (think lighter skin chris brown/john legend) but I'm not strong enough despite my ego, I'm not strong enough to do the right thing. I'm very damaged, any high quality female by rights should run a mile. My issue is not feeling worthy, despite my physical appearence and recent monetary success, I don't feel good about myself.

I come to this forum to seek refruge and compartamentalise various situations in my life, a look through my created threads over the last 5 years will show you how damaged I am. I'm anonymous here so I utilise this forum correctly, give and take advice, bare all, no holds barred and no ego. This forum lead me to therapy, helped me avoid a toxic relationship in 2017, I genuinely value every opinion on here because I have nobody else. Sorry for rambling.

 

[DonJuanjr]

One question I have about that though is since I still live at home, do you think the girls would be ok with going to hotel rooms to fu*k since going to my place isn’t an option?

I always went to my fwb's place... From what others have stated on here, it wouldn't be a problem. You can always suggest going back to their place because they may be more comfortable there, or you can take them to your place while saying "living with the folks allows me to save up money fast" or something.... Others are going to have to chime in.

 

[needimprovement250]

Yeah, so what's your point? That my wording ("prefer") was too soft, not harsh enough for ya?

Would it have made you feel better had I said "ugh NO inexperienced guys for me, I want nothing to do with them"!

That's not exactly my style nor how I feel, but I'm bowing out of this discussion, I've said my piece, take or leave.

Ciao and all the best.

My point is that you were trying to BS us and now you’re butthurt that I called you out on it and made you reveal your actual opinion because I didn’t fall for your attempt to sugarcoat it. So yes, I would’ve preferred you to be blunt and say that and you should do that from now on because no one appreciates a liar.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I know that some do, but it seems like most women are biologically programmed to want alpha males above all else.

look outside, most men you see aren’t alpha males, but they have girls lol.

 

[needimprovement250]

Well

look outside, most men you see aren’t alpha males, but they have girls lol.

Maybe that makes me omega then, considering I’ve never gotten a girl at 29. But I’ve also never tried to, my whole life I’ve always assumed that I’ll get rejected every single time no matter what I do or which approach I take. So I’ve never asked a girl out or used OLD, also why I never got with the girl mentioned in my first post on this thread.

 

[needimprovement250]

Apparently you missed this part of my post:


Nuff said, be happy, peace.

I’m sure that is how you feel, spare my feelings and be honest lol. Not like I don’t already know that inexperience is a turn off.

 

[needimprovement250]

I always went to my fwb's place... From what others have stated on here, it wouldn't be a problem. You can always suggest going back to their place because they may be more comfortable there, or you can take them to your place while saying "living with the folks allows me to save up money fast" or something.... Others are going to have to chime in.

Yeah that’s true, especially if you met them from OLD because some girls might not want to go back to a guy’s place who they just met from online. If I did bring them back home with me, the one good thing is that my parents’ room is on the 2nd story and my room is right next to the front door, so we would literally just have to turn the corner to be in my room and I have the downstairs of the house all to myself after they go to bed. The main issue is that my dad is now retired, so he’s always home and that could be awkward if a girl spends the night and we both come out of my room in the morning, it might be better if she leaves that night after we’ve hooked up.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Well

Maybe that makes me omega then, considering I’ve never gotten a girl at 29. But I’ve also never tried to, my whole life I’ve always assumed that I’ll get rejected every single time no matter what I do or which approach I take. So I’ve never asked a girl out or used OLD, also why I never got with the girl mentioned in my first post on this thread.

yeah you’re most likely omega

 

[needimprovement250]

Yes. From a woman's point of view, might as well be none...
That's what they want to hear anyways. A number close to theirs.

I agree, because my experience level is definitely still considered virgin territory by most women. That doesn’t surprise me because they can feel freaked out and uncomfortable knowing that his body count is so much lower than hers, some might even worry that the inexperienced guy could end up slūt shaming her for having a body count way higher than his, not to mention that it can give some the impression that its gonna force her into the dominant role and him into the submissive role because she’s gonna have to teach him what to do both within a relationship and in the bedroom.

That’s another reason besides the ones already mentioned by others of why I don’t think I should even bother with the girl mentioned in my first post because even if she and this guy broke up, she might not wanna be with me anyway considering she’s had multiple relationships and I’ve had none.

 

[needimprovement250]

yeah you’re most likely omega

Yeah and you’re down bad if you’re an omega, since they’re at the very bottom of the sexual marketplace.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I agree, because my experience level is definitely still considered virgin territory by most women. That doesn’t surprise me because they can feel freaked out and uncomfortable knowing that his body count is so much lower than hers, some might even worry that the inexperienced guy could end up slūt shaming her for having a body count way higher than his, not to mention that it can give some the impression that its gonna force her into the dominant role and him into the submissive role because she’s gonna have to teach him what to do both within a relationship and in the bedroom.

That’s another reason besides the ones already mentioned by others of why I don’t think I should even bother with the girl mentioned in my first post because even if she and this guy broke up, she might not wanna be with me anyway considering she’s had multiple relationships and I’ve had none.

It doesn't matter analyzing why your lack of experience is not good in the eyes of a woman... Just assume it, and get experience until you're confident. Every woman you get with will help.... They won't be able to tell if you are competent enough... Read some of the threads on sexual techniques or start a thread about it.

I don't think you should get with her based on the fact that you've pedestalized her somewhat in your head.... That's why banging lower value women will be beneficial to you also.. It will separate you from pedestalization because they're not what you'd typically be interested in. Allowing you to view women as sex objects rather than possible soul mates. Which is only a good thing for where you're at.

 

[needimprovement250]

It doesn't matter analyzing why your lack of experience is not good in the eyes of a woman... Just assume it, and get experience until you're confident. Every woman you get with will help.... They won't be able to tell if you are competent enough... Read some of the threads on sexual techniques or start a thread about it.

I don't think you should get with her based on the fact that you've pedestalized her somewhat in your head.... That's why banging lower value women will be beneficial to you also.. It will separate you from pedestalization because they're not what you'd typically be interested in. Allowing you to view women as sex objects rather than possible soul mates. Which is only a good thing for where you're at.

Yeah and it might not be too hard to get experience through OLD because every date from there means more experience to improve my dating skills more and more. I’ve also started eating healthier and working out more to build muscle, which I’ve heard can help you stand out more on OLD. And as far as sex goes, I’m sure that will also make it easier to get laid from girls online since if I’m more attractive and have muscles, it might make them wanna f*ck pretty early on because they’re more turned on and they might be assuming that I have a bunch of other matches and want me to stick around.

Honestly, this girl is kinda low value herself. I think most would only rate her looks as 6.5 at the highest and she also has had serious issues with anxiety and depression for a long time. But I admit that I’ve developed a case of oneitis for her because like I’ve said, I’m never around any other girls so that I can forget her. But regardless, its never a good idea to get involved with a girl you have oneitis for.