I think this girl I’ve been interested in found a beta provider

[SW15]

Typical of going from one extreme to the other after the first one didn't work out...went from an abusive relationship to the ultimate nice guy...

She will get bored and dump him soon enough...only to go back in the other direction again.

You got it. Sounds like a typical Western woman.

 

[needimprovement250]

I hate to be blunt but sometimes it’s for the best -you’re coming off butt hurt af.

Move on, get over it. You missed your opportunity YEARS ago. You’ll never pull her into your frame from here. It’s dunzo.

Furthermore, it’s useless to judge a couples relationship from the outside, and with regard to what he/she spends on gifts or their Facebook comments to one another. This is super creepy, and who are you to really judge another couples bond with one another… move on!

Don’t bother telling me to move on if you’re not gonna offer up any advice on where to meet someone else, and that goes for anyone else after you who’s gonna say the same thing. If they post a public comment for everyone on their friends list to see, then that isn’t even creepy. I could see that if you were to use a fake account to view hers and gather info, but you’re reaching by calling me creepy for noticing a public comment on a public post. I’m also just saying that I think its definitely over the top to spend that much on someone you haven’t been with for that long, and its human nature to judge others, so you’ve never judged anybody for anything ever? And again, save your breath if you aren’t gonna offer up advice on where to go to meet someone else and move on.

 

[needimprovement250]

Perhaps you wouldn’t buy a $400 gift for a girl after a few months, but someone like myself who earns 120k would have no problem doing so. To each their own, status and bond are the factors here.

Even if I made 200k, I wouldn’t do that. But to each their own like you said.

 

[Baibars]

I think he’s the alpha and you’re the beta watching her from distance how she’s getting railed by that guy.

 

[needimprovement250]

Typical of going from one extreme to the other after the first one didn't work out...went from an abusive relationship to the ultimate nice guy...

She will get bored and dump him soon enough...only to go back in the other direction again.

Yep, I was thinking the same thing. That’s what made me suspect that this guy was a beta provider. I’m not gonna be a rebound for her though, I just need to move on.

 

[needimprovement250]

I think he’s the alpha and you’re the beta watching her from distance how she’s getting railed by that guy.

Well I agree with everyone who replied and said that I need to move on and meet other girls. I’m actually more surprised that no one here replied and said if anything you’re the beta because you can’t get over a girl who’s getting fu*ked by the guy you made this thread about lol. Its just hard because like I said, this 2 month temporary job is the only time of year I’m ever around any girls, and it doesn’t seem like anyone here has that many ideas of where I can even go to meet more girls and break this cycle. OLD might not go well since I’ve heard that its hard for a guy to have any success on there, bar approaching seems like its mostly just for a ONS, and I don’t wanna cold approach. I never knew that Meetup.com was complete sh*t, so I’m glad I got that tip. I will also say that I have been healthier and have been working to build muscle, so I am already doing that.

I think he’s the alpha and you’re the beta watching her from distance how she’s getting railed by that guy.

I beat you to that, try to keep up. I even said that someone like you would come along and say that, so predictable lol.

 

[SH03C]

Don’t bother telling me to move on if you’re not gonna offer up any advice on where to meet someone else, and that goes for anyone else after you who’s gonna say the same thing. If they post a public comment for everyone on their friends list to see, then that isn’t even creepy. I could see that if you were to use a fake account to view hers and gather info, but you’re reaching by calling me creepy for noticing a public comment on a public post. I’m also just saying that I think its definitely over the top to spend that much on someone you haven’t been with for that long, and its human nature to judge others, so you’ve never judged anybody for anything ever? And again, save your breath if you aren’t gonna offer up advice on where to go to meet someone else and move on.

Bud, I owe you nothing. If I chose not to provide ideas on where to meet females then so be it.

You’ve also said, “I don’t want to do cold approaches”. Unfortunately you’re gonna have to if you want to find someone. No girl is coming your way hot and ready on a silver platter.

Be alpha!

 

[needimprovement250]

Bud, I owe you nothing. If I chose not to provide ideas on where to meet females then so be it.

You’ve also said, “I don’t want to do cold approaches”. Unfortunately you’re gonna have to if you want to find someone. No girl is coming your way hot and ready on a silver platter.

Be alpha!

Cold approaching has a very low success rate, I’d try dating apps before cold approach. I’m just saying, if you came here to talk sh*t, the least you could do is bust my balls and then offer up a couple suggestions of where to go to meet girls because its not like you can just walk into a mall or grocery store and pick up a girl while you’re there these days.

 

[SW15]

I think he’s the alpha and you’re the beta watching her from distance how she’s getting railed by that guy.

More likely that there are 2 beta males and @needimprovement250 is the greater beta.

Cold approaching has a very low success rate, I’d try dating apps before cold approach. I’m just saying, if you came here to talk sh*t, the least you could do is bust my balls and then offer up a couple suggestions of where to go to meet girls because its not like you can just walk into a mall or grocery store and pick up a girl while you’re there these days.

Cold approach has always had a low success rate. It's better than app swiping simply because app swiping is the bottom of the barrel.

In the sales world, cold calling has been proven to be complete shiit. Cold calling has been outdated since the 1990s, and it was not even that good in the 1970s-1980s. After 2000, there were plenty of organizations having their sales reps make cold phone calls or make cold in-person visits to drum up business. Most of those organizations have high turnover on the sales reps. While not entirely the same, cold calling for business and cold approaching to get your penis wet have enough similarity to be a bit uncomfortable.

Doing approaches in malls and grocery stores is often a gigantic waste of time. Same with doing outdoor approaches. There are men who have had successes with it, including me. I do not recommend it at all. It's such a difficult path.

The bar scene has its own set challenges, pandemic or no pandemic.

 

[needimprovement250]

More likely that there are 2 beta males and @needimprovement250 is the greater beta.



Cold approach has always had a low success rate. It's better than app swiping simply because app swiping is the bottom of the barrel.

In the sales world, cold calling has been proven to be complete shiit. Cold calling has been outdated since the 1990s, and it was not even that good in the 1970s-1980s. After 2000, there were plenty of organizations having their sales reps make cold phone calls or make cold in-person visits to drum up business. Most of those organizations have high turnover on the sales reps. While not entirely the same, cold calling for business and cold approaching to get your penis wet have enough similarity to be a bit uncomfortable.

Doing approaches in malls and grocery stores is often a gigantic waste of time. Same with doing outdoor approaches. There are men who have had successes with it, including me. I do not recommend it at all. It's such a difficult path.

So I’m a beta just for wondering if this guy is a beta? Lol its just amusing to me that girls will take advantage of beta guys and I was wondering if that’s what was happening here. So there’s literally no way to meet anyone, OLD is bottom of the barrel and cold approaching has extremely low success rates, might as well just label myself as ForeverAlone and be done with it I guess.

 

[SW15]

So I’m a beta just for wondering if this guy is a beta? Lol its just amusing to me that girls will take advantage of beta guys and I was wondering if that’s what was happening here. So there’s literally no way to meet anyone, OLD is bottom of the barrel and cold approaching has extremely low success rates, might as well just label myself as ForeverAlone and be done with it I guess.

Lift weights, no porn, no mbate, and don't eat processed foods. Those are baseline activities. It's better if you are 6'0"+.

You can also make money and play the possessions game including cars, solid apartments, boats, etc. to attract women.

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, persona (charisma). Bill Gates is the best example of a guy who used money and CEO status to get a mediocre looking careerist girlfriend from the ranks of Microsoft employees. He was a complete 0 on looks and persona.

 

[needimprovement250]

Lift weights, no porn, no mbate, and don't eat processed foods. Those are baseline activities. It's better if you are 6'0"+.

You can also make money and play the possessions game including cars, solid apartments, boats, etc. to attract women.

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, persona (charisma).

I’ve been lifting weights and doing workouts for abs too, I’m also gonna start swimming laps since that’s like the best exercise you can do, for the most part I’ve been doing good with quitting porn and mbating but I did relapse once last night but I’m not letting that get me down and sticking with it, I’ve cut out pretty much all fattening foods from my diet and I’m only consuming food items that are organic as much as possible, I’m an even 6’ tall.

I own 2 cars, but still live at home with my parents and this temporary job is the only employment I have right now, but I’m probably gonna go back to school once this work season ends and do a side hustle for some money along with it. I will admit that I am low status though, I really don’t have any friends and I’ve never dated or been in a relationship at the age of 29, just one hookup several years ago.

 

[SH03C]

Cold approaching has a very low success rate, I’d try dating apps before cold approach. I’m just saying, if you came here to talk sh*t, the least you could do is bust my balls and then offer up a couple suggestions of where to go to meet girls because its not like you can just walk into a mall or grocery store and pick up a girl while you’re there these days.

You’re too negative and closed minded. You’ll never have success cold approaching with that attitude/outlook.

Not trolling but you have quite a bit to learn.

Best of luck, be open and happy.

 

[needimprovement250]

You’re too negative and closed minded. You’ll never have success cold approaching with that attitude/outlook.

Not trolling but you have quite a bit to learn.

Best of luck, be open and happy.

But cold approaching never works anyway, I think I’m gonna be left with no option but to just label myself as ForeverAlone and be done with it, like I already said. Cold approaching won’t work and dating apps don’t work, so there’s really no other viable options to meet any single girls.

 

[needimprovement250]

Maybe you missed my first post but you don't have to cold approach. Again, take advantage of opportunities to talk to women naturally, organically, say while you're waiting for the train, or online at the market, for example.

I met and dated two different guys that way and ended up dating one for a few months! I think I posted that story here in fact.

Neither men cold approached, they just took advantage of an opportunity.

Opportunities are everywhere. If anything learn to be comfortable in your own skin, do things that build confidence so when those opportunities arise, you'll feel comfortable striking up a conversation, naturally.

Those are the best convos imo, the ones where you have no expectations, where you're just being your natural self and seeing where it goes.

Maybe you get her number, maybe not but whichever the case, it all serves to build confidence and skills, making it easier next time.

Wait, you’re a girl? This is the first time I’ve ever encountered a girl on here. I never even find myself in situations like the ones you described. If you could see this from my perspective, I’m literally never around any girls my age, ever. So there’s never an opportunity for me to even have a convo with a girl, just something that never happens in my day to day life. Even if there was, I highly doubt that any girl would even want to date a 29 year old guy who’s never dated before anyway. Inexperience is usually a big turn off to girls who have experience and have been in relationships before.

 

[needimprovement250]

That's your choice.... You could always take my advice that I gave you. Though you ignore it...

Have you ever used OLD and would you recommend that I give it a try anyway? I know that you have a similar background to mine since you never had much experience into adulthood either. I also had other people on here telling me not to try it because they said my profile pics will be boring af since I won’t have any pics of me with friends to add to my profile.

 

[needimprovement250]

You're right as she even admitted that about herself in another thread. Though if you get some sexual experience, you can lie to these biitches and they won't know. Why are you so bent on being truthful with them? They'd reject you in a second about not having the sexual past that you should... While at the same time saying "don't judge me based on my past"... They're hypocritical emotional beings with a lack of honor. So, don't worry about treating them with a sense of honor. You will not be rewarded for it in anyway. Go dumpster diving, get some experience, lie to chicks until you don't have to. They are ruthless about their sex lives/goals, you should be too.

Oh she actually admitted in another thread that inexperience is a turn off? Well I mean, I have a little bit of sexual experience already since I did lose my virginity and fooled around with another girl, but that’s it. Its not that I’m bent on being truthful about it, its more that I’m worried they’ll be able to pick up on it and figure it out themselves, especially if they sleep with me. I wouldn’t even mention it, but I’m afraid that they’ll ask about it and get suspicious of whatever answer I give. For several years, I’ve just imagined a scenario where I go out on dates and get rejected every time because of my lack of experience to the point of it turning into a never ending cycle of rejection. But OLD might be a good place to start in order to get some practice for more experience, who knows.

 

[needimprovement250]

Yes. I had bad pics too, got rejected a ton, but got success with a fatty. I was very direct with her, and she was direct also. I banged her the first day I met her. You are going to get a lot of rejection, but so what? You will mainly just be ignored. Try different methods with different chicks. Women that you wouldn't normally go for. The goal is to regain masculinity and gain some more experience, not find a life partner.

I think a lot of rejection happens to most guys who use OLD, or so I’ve heard. So it sounds like you’re telling me that I should just take the jump and give it a try to see what happens and gain some experience? One question I have about that though is since I still live at home, do you think the girls would be ok with going to hotel rooms to fu*k since going to my place isn’t an option?

 

[needimprovement250]

The way you presented that does make me sound hypocritical however if you had read all my posts to @Murk on his thread, I also posted that if his ex wasn't what or who he ultimately wanted (paraphrasing cannot remember my exact words), then he was right to move on.

Not to mention Murk is a self-admitted commitment phobe so the situation was a little different.

As far as judging, wrong word. I don't (or try not to) judge anyone, I have preferences as we all do.

My preference is for an experienced man for reasons stated, but again I'm just one woman.

“I ‘prefer’ an experienced man but I’m only one woman” That’s such BS lol, just a different way of saying I would never want anything to do with an inexperienced guy and most other women won’t either.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Girls like beta males. It’s just easier for puas to sell their stuff by telling you that you cannot get laid because you are a beta male when there’s another reason you can’t.