Women worth your while always drop the handkerchief.

[Bigpapa]

Yeah..the point was ...that the posters were discussing if a woman can tell how successful you are by what you're wearing or which supermarket or ailse you're in.

I'm pointing out that musk is the richest man in the planet and he was happy living in a rundown house. Therefore if a woman didnt know him...she might think he's a bum..

Some men prefer to save money, rather than spend it on materialistic things and women.

Loads of men have millions in their account...they have expensive clothes, but are happy going to walmart in workgear (cargo pants)

women can not gauge from the get go if you are poor or rich because richness can easily be faked through personal loans or credit cards

this is the game of most guys ,jeopardizing their financial situation over some p8ssy than is not even cute

if you plan spending money that you do not have ,it is cheaper to go to escorts

 

[SW15]

All of my grocery store approaches have been more subtle that that.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Nobody here brags, its quite the opposite actually. Most men here admit they gotta learn game, and try to finetune their weaknesses.

This is a total, unabashed lie.

Instead of (with all due respect) complaining you might be better of spending your typing skills on making the following thread;

"I am 6,3 well dressed but dont recieve ioi. What can I do to improve?"

If I would teach you boxing and you tell me you have a killer jab and right hook, I would tell you right of the bat that wont be enough to compete. The sweet science is about devolving skills , taking risks and learn from those experiences. 2 "skills" are not enough ,you might need 20, 30, 60 skills to adjust to different situations.

Every post you send typing this **** is another signal to the universe saying you're not good enough for these stupid ass empty shell bicthes. I have friends like this and tbh I dgaf about them not getting poon anymore. Similar like you, they refuse to look in the mirror and ask for help so they end up with dry spells the Sahara desert would even chuckle at.

Less, means not more than. Less money less height less designer clothes. Life is now and today. If a man doesnt get the results he wants he needs to make adjustments and test the waters. I am going against you so readers in similar situations know that dwelling in misery over women is not neccessary, despite your looks ,status ect.


Nobody can control how you view yourself.

If I made that thread I'd be bombarded with all the obligatory clichés..."just be confident bro, go get buff bro, fake it till you make it, change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude!". Just people who have never dealt with or experienced the issue, attempting to explain it away and pretend it's not even a legitimate problem.

I've looked in the mirror and altered pretty much everything I feasibly can, sans I guess...plastic surgery. If you mean that metaphorically, I've reflected. People fail to realize there's only so much you can change regarding your personality or acumen, especially if you're in a cycle of disappointment.

I didn't mean to literally define the word "less", I mean look at the statement in its totality. Those guys who are succeeding who aren't as tall, and dress less prominently absolutely compensate in areas that women actually care about. It's not like they're just short, haggard randos. Hell, literally every time I go out I see short, modestly dressed guys with women. A. Because neither of those attributes are that important, and B. There are factors far more important than those I have that the guys are succeeding, very likely have.

How you view yourself and how women view yourself aren't uniform.

 

[Bigpapa]

This is a total, unabashed lie.


If I made that thread I'd be bombarded with all the obligatory clichés..."just be confident bro, go get buff bro, fake it till you make it, change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude!". Just people who have never dealt with or experienced the issue, attempting to explain it away and pretend it's not even a legitimate problem.

I've looked in the mirror and altered pretty much everything I feasibly can, sans I guess...plastic surgery. If you mean that metaphorically, I've reflected. People fail to realize there's only so much you can change regarding your personality or acumen, especially if you're in a cycle of disappointment.

I didn't mean to literally define the word "less", I mean look at the statement in its totality. Those guys who are succeeding who aren't as tall, and dress less prominently absolutely compensate in areas that women actually care about. It's not like they're just short, haggard randos. Hell, literally every time I go out I see short, modestly dressed guys with women. A. Because neither of those attributes are that important, and B. There are factors far more important than those I have that the guys are succeeding, very likely have.

How you view yourself and how women view yourself aren't uniform.

bro , the discussions are about how to get at least cute women . Not how to get a woman

no one really wants to bang a bellow average woman . Some will be ok with that , but for sure they would bang something better if they could

I had the same view as you but the reality is that people in general do not care about your struggles etc

you either do what needs to be done , either you do not . Each has its pros and cons

it is also very true that most of the ladies men are extroverts , so I think that you can easily correlate and infer that being an extrovert helps with the ladies as usually extroverts are very good communicators and have an alluring energy around them

 

[thelambofdeth]

bro , the discussions are about how to get at least cute women . Not how to get a woman

no one really wants to bang a bellow average woman . Some will be ok with that , but for sure they would bang something better if they could

I had the same view as you but the reality is that people in general do not care about your struggles etc

you either do what needs to be done , either you do not . Each has its pros and cons

it is also very true that most of the ladies men are extroverts , so I think that you can easily correlate and infer that being an extrovert helps with the ladies as usually extroverts are very good communicators and have an alluring energy around them

OFC not, literally everyone would bang something better if they could. If everyone was content with banging fat uggos, this forum wouldn't exist. I'm not really seeing your point...

I didn't ask for pity, sympathy, understanding or whatever else. I gave my stance on the original post and got deemed a troll bc I gave a realistic assertion of the first post and video in the thread and didn't regurgitate the same trite platitudes many here do. I wasn't trying to make this thread about my issues, just simply point out the invalidity of the concept in the OP about IOIs and how they ABSOLUTELY vary in number depending on the dude.

OFC...that's obvious. That's like inferring most men who do well with women are good-looking or have high status. Of course. But it's totally moot to mention because one cannot simply rejigger themselves into an extrovert.

 

[Velasco]

if you don't get them, you don't get them. If you're an introverted person who knows what IOIs look like and you scan and observe to see if any are directed at you and you habitually don't get any, that's kind of a major hint and isn't exactly going to inspire confidence to be more "friendly" and "optimistic"

change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude

Brother I am introverted as well. As are most guys on this forum. Lack of IOIs in your day to day life aren't really as big a deal as you may be mislead to believe. Especially if your someone whose inexperienced with girls, and are therefore going by what third party commenters are saying what it's like out there. Like this comment below

If I had a woman randomly come up to me and say "omg you're so hot/cute/wtf ever"...I would notice

Never happens in my day to day life. And only rarely happens when I go out to bars. I get the "hot" compliment only after I've spend some time engaging girls in conversation. Looking at them like I know I'm the sh1t. I will say, rather than look for signs that a girl is throwing you IOIs. Spend the time looking for girls that your attracted to, that might be down to ****. I am telling you, You will run into down to fvck girls, who'd be down to fvck you, that may have not noticed you yet (no indicator of interest signs directed towards you).

Also take a look at this post

LED (Looks Environment Drugs)

Looks: https://looksmax.org/threads/sex-appeal-maxxing-official-guide.120684/ Environment: Drugs:

www.sosuave.net

In the first comment I made on this thread I said "be good looking and go to the right places." These are just two of the 3 keys to getting laid like a rockstar. The 3rd, I talk about in the post above.

 

[IKO69]

As far as IOI's, the blatant you are so good looking stuff is I think something that happens more often when you are younger. By younger I mean teenage years - probably because they are teenage girls and not sophisticated yet in their flirting. In that period I had girls sometimes blurt out I was good looking. When I think back there were a good number of girls I could've gotten with but was oblivious about --- and the girls had honestly done a poor job of hiding it in hindsight.

As I got older it would happen less and less and they would only say it when we were basically about to get serious or after (had sex). Now days as far IOI's it is just smiles or a friend of hers does the dirty work to get us to talk --- all of this is as good as being told good looking.

Men that the woman is not interested are basically flat out ignored so it is pretty easy to tell when you are in or not.

 

[Rainman4707]

All of my grocery store approaches have been more subtle that that.

LOL. I might try that....
I will have to be careful though...i've came really close to approaching two women the other day. I'm glad i did'nt because i later noticed that their boyfriends were in the next ailse with their kids

 

[Gamisch]

This is a total, unabashed lie.


If I made that thread I'd be bombarded with all the obligatory clichés..."just be confident bro, go get buff bro, fake it till you make it, change your entire personality and become an extrovert dude!". Just people who have never dealt with or experienced the issue, attempting to explain it away and pretend it's not even a legitimate problem.

I've looked in the mirror and altered pretty much everything I feasibly can, sans I guess...plastic surgery. If you mean that metaphorically, I've reflected. People fail to realize there's only so much you can change regarding your personality or acumen, especially if you're in a cycle of disappointment.

I didn't mean to literally define the word "less", I mean look at the statement in its totality. Those guys who are succeeding who aren't as tall, and dress less prominently absolutely compensate in areas that women actually care about. It's not like they're just short, haggard randos. Hell, literally every time I go out I see short, modestly dressed guys with women. A. Because neither of those attributes are that important, and B. There are factors far more important than those I have that the guys are succeeding, very likely have.

How you view yourself and how women view yourself aren't uniform.

You are stubborn.

It seems like you're trolling bc you keep swimming against the stream to lure out reactions. On this board most men will deep dive into your specific situation, and there are even some cool women who can give you a purely female perspective on it. But oke , I'll assume you ain't trolling and with that hope there is another poster lurker with similar issues like you.

Most men ,like myself, can actually testify we taught like you, that looks money status ect matters. Most men ,including me ,at some pon t had a dry spell that lasted at least 6 months thinking what wrong with the man in the mirror. But then we tested the waters, and found out it's not just about clothes ,money ect there is much more to the game( although it does help a ton).

If you project this energy my brother...then you must be walking with your face down. And that no insult, I used to do the same. But guess what, walking with your chin up will make you see the world completely different, including seeing countless of IOI.

You decide how tomorrow gonna look like. God bless you my brother.

 

[SW15]

LOL. I might try that....
I will have to be careful though...i've came really close to approaching two women the other day. I'm glad i did'nt because i later noticed that their boyfriends were in the next ailse with their kids

When doing grocery store approaching, venue selection is important. I’ve tended to grocery shop in singles dense areas. Still, there are enough young married couples that I do make quick glances for rings on hands.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Brother I am introverted as well. As are most guys on this forum. Lack of IOIs in your day to day life aren't really as big a deal as you may be mislead to believe. Especially if your someone whose inexperienced with girls, and are therefore going by what third party commenters are saying what it's like out there. Like this comment below

I don't even look for IOIs in my day-to-day, as considering I'm not super buff or a good-looking pretty boy, that's pointless. I look for them when out socially such as bars, where you're the most likely to see them...and still don't get them.

Never happens in my day-to-day life. And only rarely happens when I go out to bars. I get the "hot" compliment only after I've spend some time engaging girls in conversation. Looking at them like I know I'm the sh1t. I will say, rather than look for signs that a girl is throwing you IOIs. Spend the time looking for girls that your attracted to, that might be down to ****. I am telling you, You will run into down to fvck girls, who'd be down to fvck you, that may have not noticed you yet (no indicator of interest signs directed towards you).

Never happens in my life, ever lol. And depending on your level the only women who may be "dtf" are fat uggos. I already have pretty humble standards and I'm not looking for Stacys or some chit, but if I'm looking for IOIs from a decent-looking bar slot and I get literally no signs...well...that doesn't inspire any confidence to go approach them.

Also take a look at this post

LED (Looks Environment Drugs)

Looks: https://looksmax.org/threads/sex-appeal-maxxing-official-guide.120684/ Environment: Drugs:

www.sosuave.net

In the first comment I made on this thread I said "be good looking and go to the right places." These are just two of the 3 keys to getting laid like a rockstar. The 3rd, I talk about in the post above.

lol drugs? I will say I've probably pulled the hottest women I've ever had while had on LSD but....lol. Also the most important of these three is being good-looking, and everyone can't just be good-looking. Sure, you can improve or make yourself look better...but what if you're already done that and it hasn't made a change? That's my point. If looksmaxxxing or whatever worked for everyone, everyone would do it.

 

[Velasco]

if I'm looking for IOIs from a decent-looking bar slot and I get literally no signs...well...that doesn't inspire any confidence to go approach them.

Re-read

rather than look for signs that a girl is throwing you IOIs. Spend the time looking for girls that your attracted to, that might be down to fvck.

You did this naturally when you were on drugs (in the moment, feeling good. Outside of your own head).

I've probably pulled the hottest women I've ever had while had on LSD

That's how I know you got this, bro

 

[thelambofdeth]

Re-read

I already read it...if you scan for IOIs and you don't get them when you know women give them out all the time and it's the social norm, yet YOU don't get any...what exactly would motivate you to just go after them if they've given no hints or anything regarding them having ANY interest in you?? Like ok, I see a woman I'm attracted to ...yet she's not giving me IOIs...clearly, she's not interested and that's it.

You did this naturally when you were on drugs (in the moment, feeling good. Outside of your own head).

That's how I know you got this, bro

That was literal years ago. I don't even get the same effect anymore lol.

 

[Velasco]

Like ok, I see a woman I'm attracted to ...yet she's not giving me IOIs...clearly, she's not interested and that's it.

Smh...her back can be turned to you. She can be ordering a drink. Looking for her friends. Looking for the restroom. Waiting in line to use the restroom. texting someone. aka NOT giving you IOIs.....However be giving signs she might be available (maybe earlier you saw her dancing sexually with her girl friend. And you noticed there's only 3 in the group (2 girls, 1 gay guy= might be dtf). You saw her earlier pacing the bar with her friend looking for guys but she didn't see you looking at her (I'm giving you all real examples of girls I ended up fvcking that didn't notice me before I approached them). So your attracted to her. With the added confidence from your drug of choice (see below), you approach and find out. And even if she is dtf, you still have to not put your foot in your mouth, saying something socially weird. Because then she'll reject you for that. Rather than her not being interest in you.

was literal years ago. I don't even get the same effect anymore lol

So it worked when you did get the effect, right? Maybe a substitute drug that provides the same high, will achieve the same result. For me, I know that cocaine and molly don't do anything for me anymore. Why my drug of choice is alcohol (which I've learned through trial and error, how to drink properly. So that I end up fvcking a chick at the end of the night, instead of getting myself into drunken bar fights).

 

[thelambofdeth]

Smh...her back can be turned to you. She can be ordering a drink. Looking for her friends. Looking for the restroom. Waiting in line to use the restroom. texting someone. aka NOT giving you IOIs.....However be giving signs she might be available (maybe earlier you saw her dancing sexually with her girl friend. And you noticed there's only 3 in the group (2 girls, 1 gay guy= might be dtf). You saw her earlier pacing the bar with her friend looking for guys but she didn't see you looking at her (I'm giving you all real examples of girls I ended up fvcking that didn't notice me before I approached them). So your attracted to her. With the added confidence from your drug of choice (see below), you approach and find out. And even if she is dtf, you still have to not put your foot in your mouth, saying something socially weird. Because then she'll reject you for that. Rather than her not being interest in you.

So it worked when you did get the effect, right? Maybe a substitute drug that provides the same high, will achieve the same result. For me, I know that cocaine and molly don't do anything for me anymore. Why my drug of choice is alcohol (which I've learned through trial and error, how to drink properly. So that I end up fvcking a chick at the end of the night, instead of getting myself into drunken bar fights).

Basically you're saying look for slots....so there's no interest given and you're just basically making a guess. Lol. You could spot a woman doing anything you listed and she could totally not be looking for new penis, or you know...interested in someone else...

Psychedelics you to make me feel great and totally lower my inhibitions, but I have a tolerance for them now and I'm still too much in my head on them. Alcohol does nothing for that and I totally hate the stuff...

 

[Velasco]

Basically you're saying look for slots..

Look for girls that are interested in what your looking for. How many guys they've slept with up to that point is completely irrelevant to that fact. As I've picked up and slept with multiple virgins from clubs. One of which I discussed here.

you're just basically making a guess.

Correct. It's a numbers game after all. You only get better at predicting, the more experience you get. I e. Less approaching. Just like a batter tries to predict what a pitcher will throw at him. Or a racing driver tries to predict which way or what his opponent will do.

Alcohol does nothing for that and I totally hate the stuff...

Does nothing for lowering your inhibitions? Well then you'd fall under the outlier category for that. As that's known as the popular method (because it works) of lowering inhibitions. I'd tell you to try benzos, but I have no experience with them so I can't recommend them.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There's always bath salts..

 

[thelambofdeth]

Look for girls that are interested in what your looking for. How many guys they've slept with up to that point is completely irrelevant to that fact. As I've picked up and slept with multiple virgins from clubs. One of which I discussed here.

But you can't just look and decipher that. A girl could be dressed like a total slot machine and be the biggest prude/tease ever and vice versa. Good for you mate on finding litetal virgins at a club but one has a better chance of getting stuck by lightning. Point is, you don't what what their interested unless you approach...and that's a major issue is you have approach anxiety.

Correct. It's a numbers game after all. You only get better at predicting, the more experience you get. I e. Less approaching. Just like a batter tries to predict what a pitcher will throw at him. Or a racing driver tries to predict which way or what his opponent will do.

Sure...if you're a Chad or you have high confidence. You have to get goodwill from women to continue the "practicing" which again, is an issue with AA.

Does nothing for lowering your inhibitions? Well then you'd fall under the outlier category for that. As that's known as the popular method (because it works) of lowering inhibitions. I'd tell you to try benzos, but I have no experience with them so I can't recommend them.

I have to get completey plastered drunk for alcohol to make me social to the point I'm blacked out drunk which at that point its totally moot. Benzos are fecking horrible and I'm not going down that rabbit hole lol.

 

[Velasco]

you don't what what their interested unless you approach...and that's a major issue is you have approach anxiety.

Sure...if you're a Chad or you have high confidence. You have to get goodwill from women to continue the "practicing" which again, is an issue with AA.

http://pufinest.blogspot.com/2005/12/ijjjji-momentum-real-thing.html
Thank me later

 

[Atom Smasher]

I haven’t read this entire thread even though I started it, but let me say this about you guys who say you get zero IOIs.

I’ve observed over the years that most men reach way beyond their grasp. You append that statement about zero IOIs with “from girls I’m attracted to”. You’re looking for IOIs from women who are way out of your league. I’ve been there most of my life myself. We men walk around imagining that even in our underdeveloped state, gorgeous and relatively well-adjusted women will want us. I hate to burst your bubble, but you’re not ready for these women, and they’re not attracted to you. That’s right… the women you’re attracted to are not attracted to you because they can smell your desperation and awkwardness.

What I did to fix this problem was to lower my sights just a hair down to women who were not as perfect as my imagination thought I deserved, and started realizing there were plenty of fairly pretty girls who were attracted to me. Once I settled on fairly pretty, I became more confident, worked on myself, and naturally flowed into the higher echelon of women.

I repeat… most men fantasize that they deserve women who are simply out of their league. You’re looking for attention from the upper tier, and you don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell with them. Because of this, you are completely blind to the IOIs that are there from your value-peers.

Walk before you run. If you would take a step out of fantasy-land and look around you, you would see plenty of interest from women that you automatically reject. You are automatically rejecting them just the same way your perfect specimens of womanhood are automatically rejecting you.

Take your expectations down a few notches and practice success with less than ideal (but still pretty and respectful) women. If you apply the knowledge within these pages while obtaining successes with the women of your league, you will outgrow them as more and more upper-tier women start to notice you.

I’m ready now to be entertained by the flames of the excuse-makers and know-it-alls who will surely rise up with their torches to set me, their benevolent advisor, ablaze.

In all seriousness, though, at least entertain the possibility that your standards are higher than you’re ready to attain. Look around you and just have friendly conversations with normal women. Your eyes will start to open to IOIs from better and better women as you gain experience.

Years ago, I was willing to bring my physical standards down in order to find a woman of character (because I value character over looks), but lo and behold, I came a cross a woman of true character who was also a natural beauty. She radiates that natural feminine “prettiness” that we value so highly. I married her last year. She is the kind of woman I would always fantasize about years ago when I was completely invisible to women like her.

I had refined myself for a few years by relating with more average, yet still pretty women, and almost unknowingly graduated to the big leagues.

I’m rambling too much here which I tend to do when I post from my phone. I’ll put on the brakes, but guys, look to see if there is a grain of truth in what I’m saying. You may not like the way I’m saying it, but at least consider my main points.